Dr Abdus Salam - The ’Mystic’ scientist

malik99 can i just add, what you are stating as wel is a matter of opinion. lets not get caught up in this. the fact that you feel qadianis cant call themselves muslims is offensive to them and the fact that they call themselves is causing you anguish, so why get caught up in it. i honestly dont think God is going to hold you answerable for what they say or dont say. muslims are meant to be more tolerant than any other religion but sadly it is us who show the worst case of intolerance. is this the pakistan quaid envisioned? again read the speeches he made immediately after independance in which he urges all muslims and all christians and hindus and sikhs and all other sects including ahmadis to live in tolerance and peacefully together.Quaid himself was friends with zafarullah Khan and supported him and admired him and his faith.whether you agree or not is different, but if you claim to have the right to tell me or anyone what to beleive or what to say, then its dangerous.
each side has evidence to defend itself, this is not the time or place for that.but misconceptions and incorrect assumptions can be corrected only when you approach the matter with an open mind. urstruly has again made an incorrect assumption about qadianis having some sort of problem with the holy prohpet. if they did, why would thier messiah and spiritual leader mirza ghulam ahmad write a book in praise of Hadhrat Mohammed declaring him the most superior of all prophets. Mirza Ghulam ahmad never claimed to be in the same league as hadhrat mohammed nor did he say that Hadhrat Mohammed was not the seal of prophets, mirza ghulam ahmad simply called himself a messiah, a repeater, who came to repeat the holy prophets message of islam with no changes in it, simply to guide the people who had gone astray. no change in kalma, or holy book or tenets of islam was propogated by mirza ghulam ahmad. read the books written by him, and his personal declarations and then bring forth your arguements. short of that, this is all just idle banter.

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Dr. Salam was a great human being and a great scientist. For me personally, he could have had twenty-five willing wives and forty-five willing concubines.

He was also a great Pakistani. No one can doubt his deep sympathies for the people of Pakistan.

Finally, this is a very good article because were Jay here he would now not have his usual weapon to attack Pakistanis with. :)

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On the other hand, this article once again highlights the very real and profoundly serious religious conceptual problems that even such liberals as temporal are unable to acknowledge.

For those of you who are wondering why Salam had two wives and how can he had two wives, and this include so-called modernist or conservative and all sorts.

Taks this as an example, to help you understand. A highly religious person was offered food in Ramdhan, where other Muslims were also present, he was not observing fast due to some health reasons. Now he did not refused to accept the food, as he thought it would be hypocracy that if he refused the food, then those Muslims present would might think he is observing fast and this would be hypocracy in the sight of God.

I assume if a person keeps Quran in his pocket, all the time, then he must have very strong faith in that book. And if 1/8th of Quran invites one to think, then Quran`s prescribed method of polygymy must be working and must be workable and must not be harmful to humankind, if applied as prescribed by Quran.

It seems that, we have witnesses who corroborrates that Dr. Salam was successfull in applying the book in his pocket.

And for those, the so-called moderinist, who think that they are great thinkers, but mostly jumps to conclusions and others who are driven by their vain thinking about relaiton-ship of man and woman, it will be hard to purify their mind and desires.

Note: Ahamdis believe that following the law of the country is prime responsibility ( only exception is, if the law of country forces you to believe in multiple God, which thankfully no country on the earth does).

PM
//...for most of our species` history, polygamy has been the norm...//

For most of our species` history - we lived in caves and without indoor-plumbing.Would you go back to live in caves now? ...... May be you are still living in a metaphoric cave and missed the fact that our species have evolved since those days ........ For the species of 21st century, indoor-plumbing is the norm and polygamy is NOT.

I am sure Salam treated his wives well. For comparison, mughal kings treated their harem very well too. But that`s not the point here.

#45 by fnahmad
//...I just want to request you guys get guidance from the life of this great man..//

That`s exactly what we are doing my man - we are seeking quidance from the life of this great man. Like all other great and not-so-great men - Salam`s personal life is part of who he is. ......... So I don`t know if it is right to chop and change and accept parts of his life and discard the other parts. I don`t know if Salam would like that either.

For comparison - Thomas Jefferson, the great president of US - had a slave concubine. Alexander, the great was a f@gg0t on the side. Gandhi is rumoured to sleep naked with his nieces. So - you don`t have to be so apologetic about Salam`s personal lives.

......sometimes you feel like playing checkers ........

..... i think someone of abdus salaam`s stature can be forgiven for having two wives - that does not mean that it is okay for every abdul, zaid or bakr to go out and make merry with multiple wives ............ most great men are a little idiosyncratic and they do enough good in their lives to offset a slip here and there ............ and let`s not forget that as a true believer, he was merely following the example of the prophet ............

........ in any case this sex thing, as in the last presidential election, is kind of overrated .......... most men are dogs when it comes to women and cannot be trusted more than a day`s camel ride from home (approximately 22.5 miles for a one humper and 27.5 miles for a two humper).............. that`s why al-lah allowed us to take a wife once we got past the third oasis from mecca on the way to medina ........and that`s where the banu quraizah built a cat house with a wedding chapel and rented tents by the hour ........

....... actually polygamy is one of the very few things in islam that might have some merit - personally i like the idea of having a concubine to play checkers with ...... someone who will not tell me i can`t end a sentence with a preposition ...........

Let me make a few points right away:

- Salam loved his country and we love him for that
- Salam was a great scientist and he deserves all the accolades for that
- Had he run for an office, he would have my support

But he was NOT a muslim.

Should a person be free to call himself a ``muslim``, while actually insulting Islam?

Before I answer that, let me put forward a scenario: a person is free to say in america that holocaust did not happen. Its his `first ammendment` right. Right? But then once he is done exercising his first ammendment right, those whose sensitivities are hurt exercise their rights. And their rights typically amount to putting this person in jail, stripping him of his assets, reputation, job, house as well as ensuring that he never lives to have another pay day in his life - which in america is like a death sentence.

So you see, talk is not cheap and it has its consequences. While Qadiyanis are free to say what they like, but then they should not whine when Muslims exercise their right to retaliate. What Qadiyanis face in Pakistan is a result of the intolerance and bigotry and insensitivity they show towards the Muslims.

Regardless, Salam was a great patriot and a great scientist. And he deserves our respect for that. His being an adherent of another faith does not change that.

your very welcome, im glad you enjoye the article and did not get caught up in trivialities that detract from the simplicity and humility that defined abdus salam.

nasah:

Dr. Salaam was grew up in a village in Jhang at a time when it was not considered immoral or dishonourable to have more than one wife, quite the opposite, especially if the first one did not bear a son. And this had nothing to do with his being a muslim.

If he did ``parade`` both his wives during the Nobel ceremony, I would consider it to be quite praiseworthy. By this time, he was undoubtedly aware of how this act of his would be ridiculed by the audience, he still had the courage to share his honour with both his wives, after all it was his mistake, not theirs that he married both.

Urstruly:

``It is only the Hindus, who suffer from the inferiority complex that they have to point out to this fact.``

Aata gun-di hildi kyon aiN?

Hindus cannot win with you, can they? They are bad if muslims are not doing well in India and they are bad if Muslims are shown to be doing well.

Ms. Mehmood, thanks for sharing this short biography. It amazing how little some of us Pakistanis know about the life of this great man!

For the monkeys up in a quarry about Salaam`s two wives, including those `tolerating` it as an excusable idiosyncracy -- duh!! for most of our species` history, polygamy has been the norm. Get yourself a little detached from your so-called ``civilized world`` mindset. Get an education!
Idiots! Salaam treated both of his wives and all his kids in a way you can only dream you migth treat your one wife!

My comments in #42 are reply to #41,#40 and #39. Thanks!

Bts, Hamidm, Anil and several others:

As Muslims, according to the teachings of Islam, we have absolutely no problem with Quadiani beliefs or Quadianism as a religion. We also do not have problem with how they interpret the Qura`n. Quadianism may be a religion that is far superior to any other in the world. We could care less if it is the last hope for the salvation of mankind. However, as Muslims our problem with Quadianism is that they should not call themselves Muslims, because they are not. Winning a Nobel Prize or becoming a Foreign Minister of a country does not qualify one to automatically become a Muslim but in fact one becomes Muslim only and only when one completely submits to the set of beliefs that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) introduced to the mankind. This unquestionable ``submission`` to those beliefs is called Islam. One of the core beliefs among the set of dogma is that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was the last prophet for mankind. One is welcome to dispute and reject this belief; it is that person`s prerogative. In Islam, in the matters of belief there is no compulsion. But in order to become a Muslim you must have to submit completely to its belief system. It is not a pick and chose smorgasbord. So Muslims call themselves Muslims not because they are in majority but because they absolutely submit to the dogma introduced by Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

The question why Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet is a dogmatic one. The answer is also dogmatic. It is the nature of beliefs that either you believe them or you don`t. But the question, what is the big deal with this particular belief and why we cannot allow changing it like Christians and Jews did is a valid one. It is a well-known fact that Christians and Jews, by their own admission, have changed their books and their messages time and again as it suited them. So in essence, what they have now as their religious text is not the word of God but the word and views of those priests who changed it. The divine message thus is corrupted. Qura`n on the other hand is the incorruptible word of God because God himself has taken responsibility to save it from corruption till the End of Time. We as Muslims believe in Bible and Torah as the true word of God but only those parts in these books, which have been attested by Holy Prophet to be true, by his word and his action (6:83 – 90). Similarly, Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was not only a Prophet but a teacher as well. He explained the divine message in Qura`n by his words and his actions. So we understand Qura`n in the light of his teachings. His interpretation and his teachings have precedence over anybody else`s interpretation. So in order to explain the concept of Finality of Prophethood in Qura`n where word of Allah says ````O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything.`` (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)``, Prophet Mohammad has explained it in over 450 Ahadith. The interpretation of this verse, with so many Ahadith, is good enough for us and we do not need anyone else to tell us otherwise. A good explanation of Quadiani issue is explained at following website:

http://www.ymofmd.com/books/fop/

(The thesis in the website is one of the reasons Quadianis run like hell whenever Syed Moududi`s name is uttered, in a way that a crow runs from a slingshot – paraphrasing the Punjabi proverb)

The importance of the belief of the concept of Finality of Prophethood should be understood in the light of above discussion. Whereas Allah Himself has taken responsibility for the protection of His word, he has charged us, the Muslims, with the stewardship of the interpretation of it by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) since there is no one else coming after him. That is the reason we protect his interpretations with our lives. There is no compromise.

As for Hindus or other who object that why we as Muslim Pakistanis do not take pride in the achievements of Dr. Abdus Salam, the answer is that we do. It is the coreligionists of Salam that they so arrogantly rub their belief system in our face hiding behind the façade of Salam`s achievements. This is unacceptable to us. Among the educated class having knowledge in scientific matters, Dr. Salam is deeply respected. Besides, we do not suffer any inferiority complex regarding owning Dr. Salam. Let me explain it a little bit. Among Indians, I have never seen a Muslim (even aadhay Hindu like Nasah and Zafarul Talib) jumping with joy at every occasion that the President of India is a Muslim; Nor did I ever see a sikh tossing his dhoti in the air screaming that the PM of India is a sikh. It is only the Hindus, who suffer from the inferiority complex that they have to point out to this fact. Probably they desperately want to show that they are not half as bad as they actually are. That`s a pity.

I guess indulging in this kind of discussion about personal life a great man definitely shows the contributors limited approach and narrow mindedness. It is also totally against the spirit of the addressed article. I just want to request you guys get guidance from the life of this great man and do as good as you can for your nation instead of getting into this senseless discussion.

nasah #40: ``Salam not only had two wives -- to be fair to both -- the Theoretical Physics Wonder Boy took both of them to Nobel Prize ceremony`

Were they both married to him, at that time? How was he able to pull that off in Europe? Could you provide more details........

Umair -- Salam not only had two wives -- to be fair to both -- the Theoretical Physics Wonder Boy took both of them to Nobel Prize ceremony -- of course the world did not mind because a True Genius like him has to have some idiosyncrasies and some erratic behavior......nothing unusual in the realm of selfcentered seers and savants.....