Jahangeer December 8, 2004
#6 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on December 10, 2004 7:12:42 am
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#5 Posted by Inquirer on December 9, 2004 1:14:43 pm
First of all to nikki7777: One who wrote this does nothing in bed!
Now to teshah: You are absolutely right the whole write-up is a rigmarole! And let me add the article is totally meaningless and unintelligible because of the poor control of English language by the Author!! He/she needs to learn English and practise writing under supervision.
To smartsyco: I presume you are Jehangeer.
Now to the subject of time.
Time is not a physical reality. It is a short cut for describing the events that happen in the physical world. Events result due to the changes in the quasi-equilibria that constitute collectively our physical universe. Leave out our mental universes because they are nothing but a collection of our individual imaginations (Mind you, I am not saying they are unimportant.). Our personal experiences are of course transmitted to our contemporaries through oral language (Need we define it?) and, of course, to non-contemporaries by their interactions with the written/preserved records.
Going to physics, of course, I believe (note, not think) that we can develop alternative descriptions in which the concept of time would not be invoked. Necessarily, it will be more elaborate and often unneedfully. Thus, the humans all over he world have adopted the concise technique based on the concept of time.
However, this has led to a lot of false avenues of thinking because many a thinker overspend their energy on the ``fundamental`` aspects of time. They might be better off - in more ways than one - by considering the real things of life!!
Finally, oh yes nikki7777, they would definitely be better in the bed!!!
Now to teshah: You are absolutely right the whole write-up is a rigmarole! And let me add the article is totally meaningless and unintelligible because of the poor control of English language by the Author!! He/she needs to learn English and practise writing under supervision.
To smartsyco: I presume you are Jehangeer.
Now to the subject of time.
Time is not a physical reality. It is a short cut for describing the events that happen in the physical world. Events result due to the changes in the quasi-equilibria that constitute collectively our physical universe. Leave out our mental universes because they are nothing but a collection of our individual imaginations (Mind you, I am not saying they are unimportant.). Our personal experiences are of course transmitted to our contemporaries through oral language (Need we define it?) and, of course, to non-contemporaries by their interactions with the written/preserved records.
Going to physics, of course, I believe (note, not think) that we can develop alternative descriptions in which the concept of time would not be invoked. Necessarily, it will be more elaborate and often unneedfully. Thus, the humans all over he world have adopted the concise technique based on the concept of time.
However, this has led to a lot of false avenues of thinking because many a thinker overspend their energy on the ``fundamental`` aspects of time. They might be better off - in more ways than one - by considering the real things of life!!
Finally, oh yes nikki7777, they would definitely be better in the bed!!!
#4 Posted by smartsyco on December 9, 2004 10:04:24 am
Well The person who replied in this article thanks for this.I was wondering about time what is it.After wondering such a long time i found that what i wrote here.But still its confusing for me.As a muslim i believe that one day this world come to an end.But what about time?will it come to an end.And i find answer everytime no.There will be time.
Well would you people help me out the nature of time?
Well would you people help me out the nature of time?
#3 Posted by adityapant on December 9, 2004 7:24:55 am
hey jahangeer not a bad exploration but you could have done with a sharper editing and a less turgid and verbose text......it makes for pretty heavy reading and only serves to justify philosophy`s undue reputation of being obtuse.
Now lets see, your basic argument seems to be that we live in a reality that is configured by the language system we work within, that is, what is real is only available to us through a pre-established grammar...and in acknowledging this we will also allow for multiple narratives of any particular experience/event....and therfore prevent closure in all explanations.
a sound theoretical argument at one level and one that also lives upto to the current orthodoxy of academia, that is, post modernism.
But i have some issues...lets see if there are multiple narratives of any particular experience, then no one such narrative can claim to be true? an argument that is the core of postmodernist theory ....all truth claims are invalid in light of this argument .....for each truth claim exists in a reality constructed by it.
Now lets concretise this argument with a couple of examples:
1) The Holocaust becomes therefore a reality produced by a grammar which is at equal
terms and competing with other realities produced by Neo-Nazis
2)The occupation of Palestine and the various accounts that are produced are thus all production of their own grammar and thus competing equally to be recognised as truth.
Please notice that the two examples i have picked are those which immediately cause a degree of emotion, be they due to the long discourse within which they are embedded in or due to our own particular reality.But can one honestly except any other notion of real other than one exemplified in Auschwitz.
But lets take another example: Iraq...the whole world thought Bush was lying, the whole world know that Bush is still lying....yet in the U.S. it is Al Jazeera that is dismissed as fiction while Fox and CNN become reality...and thus despite everything Bush gets reelected. Was this a competition of equally competing realities?
There were two realties here, but as the late and much lamented Edward Said would have put it, one was Arab and by implication False and the other was Western and thus True.To push the argument to the limit the Arab does not have a chance in a world whose media`s grammar is western. Wasn`t this why Colin Powell could lie in the Security Council and get away?
In a nutshell while there may be multiple realities, they function and exist in an unequal relationship.....and in denying truth claims if only theoretically we also invalidate all arguments politically.....and that is perhaps my central argument....theoretical exploration such as yours are representative of an academia of despair that seeks solace in theorizing for it no longer wants to/can enter the sphere of the political and instead in seeks to depart from it.
Now lets see, your basic argument seems to be that we live in a reality that is configured by the language system we work within, that is, what is real is only available to us through a pre-established grammar...and in acknowledging this we will also allow for multiple narratives of any particular experience/event....and therfore prevent closure in all explanations.
a sound theoretical argument at one level and one that also lives upto to the current orthodoxy of academia, that is, post modernism.
But i have some issues...lets see if there are multiple narratives of any particular experience, then no one such narrative can claim to be true? an argument that is the core of postmodernist theory ....all truth claims are invalid in light of this argument .....for each truth claim exists in a reality constructed by it.
Now lets concretise this argument with a couple of examples:
1) The Holocaust becomes therefore a reality produced by a grammar which is at equal
terms and competing with other realities produced by Neo-Nazis
2)The occupation of Palestine and the various accounts that are produced are thus all production of their own grammar and thus competing equally to be recognised as truth.
Please notice that the two examples i have picked are those which immediately cause a degree of emotion, be they due to the long discourse within which they are embedded in or due to our own particular reality.But can one honestly except any other notion of real other than one exemplified in Auschwitz.
But lets take another example: Iraq...the whole world thought Bush was lying, the whole world know that Bush is still lying....yet in the U.S. it is Al Jazeera that is dismissed as fiction while Fox and CNN become reality...and thus despite everything Bush gets reelected. Was this a competition of equally competing realities?
There were two realties here, but as the late and much lamented Edward Said would have put it, one was Arab and by implication False and the other was Western and thus True.To push the argument to the limit the Arab does not have a chance in a world whose media`s grammar is western. Wasn`t this why Colin Powell could lie in the Security Council and get away?
In a nutshell while there may be multiple realities, they function and exist in an unequal relationship.....and in denying truth claims if only theoretically we also invalidate all arguments politically.....and that is perhaps my central argument....theoretical exploration such as yours are representative of an academia of despair that seeks solace in theorizing for it no longer wants to/can enter the sphere of the political and instead in seeks to depart from it.
#2 Posted by nikki7777 on December 8, 2004 6:04:23 pm
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#1 Posted by teshah on December 8, 2004 6:04:23 pm
What is this rigamarol. Its language coveyed nothing to me. If Time is not a reality as asserted by the writer than what is the reality as our `language` says that every thing real exists in Time and Space and even we talk of a real time and a serial time. The latter is thought to be the womb of all existence. When the serial time stops its movie to run, it is called `Qiamat`, meanig a hang in the serial of existence. In fact, we live more in the past than in the present. If we take serial time as unreal all religion would become only a matter of language `Assateerul Awaleen` as the intellectuals of Arabs said about Islam. They also said `` it is the time which brings us into existence and it is the time which ends us``.
I am sorry to put down these stray thoughts when I could hardly read more than half of the article and failed to understand its terminology of `consectual experiences`. This article is perhaps meant for research philosophers when I never read philosophy as a subject but my incoherent experiences say that `Time` is the greatest mystey of existense.
I am sorry to put down these stray thoughts when I could hardly read more than half of the article and failed to understand its terminology of `consectual experiences`. This article is perhaps meant for research philosophers when I never read philosophy as a subject but my incoherent experiences say that `Time` is the greatest mystey of existense.
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