The Nylon Descent

IT IS THE DESTINY OF EVERY PROFESSIONAL SOLDIER TO LIE IN WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT MAY NEVER COME AND BE READY FOR IT WHEN IT DOES; EVEN AT THE PERIL OF HIS LIFE. OF ALL THE PROFESSIONS, IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT TOUCHES THE IDEALS. FLIRTING WITH DEATH TO SAVE OTHERS.

``IF YOU GO HOME, TELL THEM THAT WE HAVE GIVEN OUR TODAY FOR YOUR TOMORROW``

PERSONAL FRUSTERATIONS, ISSB REJECTS OR BEING DRUMMED OUT FROM THE ACADEMIES DOES NOT QUALIFY ANYONE FROM BECOMING A CRITICAL ANALYST OF TYHE SYSTEM. YE LOG TO GODH MEIN BAITH KAR DOOSRAY KI MOONCH SEY BAL NIKALTEY HAIN.

BOTH IN 1965 AND 1971 I SAW LIMUS RUSHING NORTH ACROSS RIVER RAVI. WOW THESE DRAWING ROOM CRITICS.

Romair, hats off to your high sense of self esteem.

Cheerios

AlephNull # 38

Yes. The Martin Baker seat Ejection Handle was on top of the head which had to be pulled straigth down. If I remember correctly, on Mirage 3 & 5, the Handle was between the thighs.

NHk

NHK sahib,

Very interesting read. I’m glad you escaped without a spinal injury. Was the aircraft you ejected from an F-6 (MiG 19)? Also, I’m curious about your saying that you ‘raised your hands over’ to reach for the ejection handle. Does that mean the handle was over your head, rather than between your legs, as is the norm?

mshergill #4

What you saw was video of an airshow collision between two MiG-29s in 1993. There was a previous equally dramatic incident of low altitude ejection from a MiG-29 at the 1989 Paris Air Show. All the pilots involved in these incidents walked away unscathed.

There was a similar low-altitude ejection from an Su-30 at Paris a decade later, again with the two-man crew emerging unscathed.

The ejection seat in question in all these incidents was the K-36D Zvezda, which has the reputation of being the best in the world. There has even been discussion about installing it on US aircraft.

Urstruly #35: ``This is a convenient propaganda line, based solely on a myth``

Why is this a myth? Some of these guys, who died, were my roommates or close friends. They were all dedicated fun-loving guys, who didn`t spend a better time of the day declaring Shias and Ahmedis non-Muslims. One of my bosses was an Ahmedi Captain and was considered somewhat of a legend for his flying skills. All the ones I know, who were married and died, did leave behind families. I actually meet with some of there families, when I am in Pakistan. They didn`t seem mythical. They were quite real.

A shaheed has the highest status in Islam. Higher than all your mullahs and sufis and qadris and chishtis and nine-star religoius alliances. etc. By degrading them, you are infact, contradicting your own religion (and Shariah). A shaheed`s family, Islamically speaking, has a very high status in the society also. You should see the respect the wives of the shaheeds get amongst Pakistanis (not Americans like yourself, but Pakistanis). I certainly respect them a great deal. They have sacrificied a hell of a lot more for their country, than I ever did.

I would think they have done far more for Pakistan, then you have (or any of us expats have).....mythically speaking or realistically speaking.....They have achieved their status by doing something.......You try to achieve yours by putting others down who have done something........They have status and respect in the society. They fit in everywhere.

You, on the other hand, were a misfit in Pakistan, and are a misfit in the USA. You have contributed nothing constructive to either society, other than planning Shiekh Chilli revolutions in both countries from the comforts of your computer.........and declaring Shias and Ahmedis kafir and non-Muslim in one country, while planning the destruction of the other.....

Nicely done nazar sahib.

re Urstruly aka prostitute #35:

``Jig is up badmasho. ``

Anyone remember that character in Hasina Moin plays who goes ``Chakkoo hay meray pass!``? I can`t stop laughing at the idiot`s latest barak.

later
-sac

``.........They left behind pregnant wives and little kids. And they were Shia, Sunni, Christian, Ahmedi etc. I consider them much bigger mujahids.....``

This is a convenient propaganda line, based solely on a myth, that fauji oppressors routinely use whenever they find themselves in a tight corner; Fauji hide behind their pregnant wives and little kids whenever taken to task. Similarly, those faujis who fall below this so-called ``horizontal line`` are routinely brainwashed into believing that educated civilian Pakistanis are corrupt, idiot, and incompetent and uneducated ones are just a notch above catle whereas fauj is the most organized, most upright, and most patriotic organization. That is the reason whenever fauji gang rape our constitution, there raises not one single voice of dissent among those below the horizontal line - the zombie line. No education is imparted to faujis as to what is the constitution of Pakistan and how it is their core duty to protect and obey it. This ``ideological indoctrination and brainwashing`` was started by the criminal establishment right after the Attock Conspiracy Case when young officers started questioning the competence of the top brass in the East Pakistan defeat. Since then not only the dissent is suppressed by force but faujis are brainwashed into beliving that they are some kind of fukking supernatural beings. If one reads the books written by some rookie fauji writers like Lt.Col Ashfaque (of Gentleman Bismillah), Col Siddique Salik, General Arif (forgot the last name of this a/hole) and even somebodies like Col. Mohammad Khan, it is easier to see the kind of mentality that exists in fauj and how it is cultivated.

Jig is up badmasho.

Dost # 31

Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year in advance.

Believe me every one who flies the fighters or even transport planes has some tale to tell.

Convey my warm wishes at home.

NHK

Hamidm2 # 28

(to me it doesn`t seem like they think of it as a job - it seems to be more of a passionate hobby ........... )

Flying is exciting but it is basically a physical skill - like a technician`s work. And it goes well in the initial youthful years. My charm of flying was over in the first 10-12 years. And then the military canned environment and regimentation tends to get on one`s nerve`s. Some people do have a temprament and a longing for the excitement of flying for a much longer period.

Even in PIA, it was the constant change and freedom that I liked more than the flying itself. I enjoy it but I am not excessively crazy about it. It completely lacks any element of creativity. In fact, I found more creative outlet in some of the Staff subjects like writing Concept of Operations etc. Now, off course, I have lost complete interest in anything to do with wars. In the military, there are constant subtle organizational influences, and rightly so, to keep you pepped up and motivated.

Recalling & writing on some of my past experiences is just finding an expression. Maybe glorifying flying but not military.

NHK

NHK #27: ``Later, I agree the Institution (specially Army) detriorated itself by indulging in politics & in fact caused and is causing much harm to the nation.

Yes. I have been a part of it & I fully denounce the role of a political military (to less extent Air Force & Navy) in the country.``

I have never accepted this to be correct description. I don`t think the political participation of fauj in politics (and business) can be divided along vertical lines. It should be divided along horizontal lines.

On the whole, the PAF and Navy never participate in Martial Laws. Even though they are asked. They are not in this one, nor in the previous one. Their holdings in private business are quite limited. Shaheen foundation is tiny in comparison to Fauji foundation.

At the same time, I think a horizontal line needs to be drawn below the rank of Brigadier/Air Cdre/Commodore. Everyone below that, specifically, all the way the enlisted are highly dedicated people, risking their lives (especially PAF pilots and people at Siachen etc.), working for peanuts. I found them far more dedicated to their country then all us expatriates. At the moment, I am doing nothing for my country. I am just serving myself. And just making a lot of noise about my country.

The number of colleagues I know personally who have died, serving their country is around 20. Your list must be longer. They left behind pregnant wives and little kids. And they were Shia, Sunni, Christian, Ahmedi etc. I consider them much bigger mujahids than the rest of us vocal patriots on this site. They walked the ultimate walk. We just talk the talk.

Hence I have always found it rather odd, when certain expat Pakistanis, who are not even willing to live in Pakistan, try to portray themselves as bigger patriots.

It is above the rank of Brigadier that all the problems start. Generals rule Pakistan, much like feudals, big businessmen and mauvlis rule it, i.e. they lose their dedication, and start behaving like the rest of us........

nazar saheb:

Another one of your exciting tales, beautifully told. I hope that one day you can publish them in a book form. Does every pilot have such an adventurous/dangerous life?:)

Re. Quetta earthquake, I remember that it was a reference point for my Mom for most of the seminal events in her life; like your sister was born two years before the Quetta quake and you were born three years after that.

Keep them coming...

NHK

I am glad that we are on the same page on this issue.

The lowest that a government can go is when it starts using state apparatus to commit extra-judicial murder of its citizens. Not only this regime but all other military regimes in Pakistan have murdered and tortured its citizens. The current governmnet is using laser guided missiles and all experimental and chemical weapons on its citizens which their masters have provided for field tests. All this when those citizens did not threaten the writ of this regime. This regime has handed over Pakistani citizens to rogue nations in violation of the basic constitutional rights of its citizens and in violation of all international laws, and now they are tortured and humiliated on daily basis without committing a crime. These rogue nations have just invaded two countries on the excuses that their regimes were killing their own citizens, unfortunately, they are overlooking the kartoot of this puppet because it serves their political agenda. This regime has already compromised the integrity of our nuclear defense system, which is an unforgivable crime. The list of other corruptions and lawlessness is unending and well known. As a matter of fact, the only entity responsible for the disintegration of Pakistani society and thus causing to stoop below the minimum standards of civic life and human dignity is none other but fauj. So any support of naPak fauj, whether with inuendo, with words, open or hidden, or that of any of its members, soldiers, or Generals is Haram on all Muslims and Pakistanis. Pakistani nation cannot be free until they dismantel this criminal organization once and for all.

hamidm

``i detest the army`s role in politics and business .....``

No you don`t. It is a mean and ugly tactic of your kind to divert attention from your own corruption. Your detest must be uncompromising.

nazar sahib,

......... please ignore mullah urstruly`s poisonous polemic - these people are on the run, licking their wounds and angry at the world for the lack of love and sex in their lives ........... so carry on .......... jaisey thaip !

......... my brother-in-law (sala) is an f-16 pilot who claims that he still gets the same rush out of flying that he used to get twenty years ago ........ whenever i get together with him and his buddies i really envy their enthusiasm for their ``jobs`` - i wish i was half as passionate about my profession ............ to me it doesn`t seem like they think of it as a job - it seems to be more of a passionate hobby ........... so your question, ``am i being paid enough for this job?``, doesn`t seem to be quite true ............. no?

nazar sahib,

.... please don`t indulge the village mullah ....... i detest the army`s role in politics and business as much as anybody else but, as you pointed out, your account has nothing to do with politics ...........

Urstruly # 26

You know that I am with you on this.

When we joined Air Force (in fact from Class 7 through Public School), our parents knew only about three professions - Daktar, Ungeeneer, Fauj. Military was relatively much more respectable then & even a well paid profession (specially pilots).

Later, I agree the Institution (specially Army) detriorated itself by indulging in politics & in fact caused and is causing much harm to the nation.

Yes. I have been a part of it & I fully denounce the role of a political military (to less extent Air Force & Navy) in the country.

Part of my leaving process included this disgruntlement with the system.

NHK

nhk

any story that involves napak fouj, cannot have a human angle. i am sorry to say that but you have/had relationship with a criminal and unlawful entity. it is an organization that oppresses us and it is an icon of pakistani corruption, malaise, and intellectual and professional bankruptcy. Since it is a big organization, so every member is not an enforcer just like in mob not every member is an enforcer, some are accountants, others are lawyers, and yet some other are doctors who pull bullets out of enforcers - but together they make a lean and mean criminal outfit.

But since you are out of it now, I assume, the best you can do is to express shame about your past and try not to give it a human angle - because you can`t.

Ref rafay_alam #23

[It was a story about a PAF jet crashing, with the pilot managing to save himself (was it you?). The headline read: ``Plane crashes, Pilot ejaculates.`` Classic.]

Well, I can`t pass up the opportunity to tell a joke.

A commercial airliner was experiencing difficulty and the pilot announced that they were going to crash and asked all passengers to assume the crash position.

One woman decided that she was going to have one last fling, got up from her seat and yelled, ``Before we all die, is there anybody man enough to make me feel like a woman?``

One man calmly removed his shirt, handed it to her and said, ``Here, iron this for me.``