Khamosh Pani Crosses the Border Noisily

Dilip, as a doctor, I think you need to treat the whole patient.

silly #210: Just run away!!

After you, old man (or woman), always after you.

``My feeling about Hindutva being the greatest threat to my country is like this. Suppose I find out today that I`m suffering from cholera and I`ve got a sprained ankle. Yes, both make me feel like crap, both need to be addressed. But to me, cholera is clearly the greater threat to my health. So whatever action I take to heal myself will reflect that view. Others may see it differently, but that`s the analogy that works for me. ``

Thats exactly the wrong diagnosis. When two patients come to a doctor with exactly the same symptoms , the doctor diagnozises that both the patients are afflicted with the same disease. But lefties tend to view the same symptoms (in this case communalism) in two different prisms. When the Bomaby blasts happen, its just the reaction to the riots and Babri Masjid. When the Gujrat riots happen its a pre planned one. Unfortunately for India the present day journalists are not balanced.

``That`s the last from me on that subject.``
Just run away!!

arjun_m
Muchchad Panwala at Kemp`s Corner is a very important person. Please do not compare him with leftist journalists. His views are more important. I still dream about his paan, and I`m not even usually a paan eater.

shri friend jee -- i wonder who is going off on a tangent here

interesting how discussions like this bring the same interactors out all guns blazing: arjun, sadna, mohar, jang, veeresh, ballu khan, nikki et al

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I`m getting the feeling I got after a few exchanges like this the last time I was on here -- that I`m going round in circles. Anyway.

My feeling about Hindutva being the greatest threat to my country is like this. Suppose I find out today that I`m suffering from cholera and I`ve got a sprained ankle. Yes, both make me feel like crap, both need to be addressed. But to me, cholera is clearly the greater threat to my health. So whatever action I take to heal myself will reflect that view. Others may see it differently, but that`s the analogy that works for me.

dost: I don`t see this as ``asymmetric condemnation.`` Am I ``unbiased`` if I treat the sprained ankle and the cholera as equal and symmetric? Then I don`t particularly want to be unbiased.

That`s the last from me on that subject.

Pakshaer #198: ``Freedom at Midnight`` is an enjoyable book, but please don`t quote it as history. It wasn`t meant to be.

friend #205: I repeat: if you want to think I know what happened inside that carriage, please go ahead. I don`t know what happened there. I will respect the wishes of people I speak to who want our conversations kept private.

That`s the last from me on that subject too.

arjun #203: Your opinions aren`t shared by the majority of people in India ... (etc)

Wishful thinker, aren`t you? You guys who think you know what the ``majority`` of India thinks are always amusing.

sadna #201: Let me pick just Tytler, for example. I`ve written innumerable times about the Sikh massacre in which he (and other Congress scum like Bhagat and Kumar) were implicated. To the extent that people working to get justice for those Sikh families now write to me when they have reports, or other things, to get out.

But to people who are determined to see only one thing in what I write, that writing doesn`t count. It is especially such people`s talk about ``credibility`` that I pay little attention to. I just write.

mohar #197: From your own words - your writings are ``colored`` and you consider violence sponsored by your preferred faction of political landscale is benign.

Really? My ``own words`` say that I ``consider violence sponsored by my preferred faction of political landscape is benign``? OK, please do point me to my exact words that say this ``benign`` stuff. No handwaving, no bluster. Just the exact words. I`m waiting.

Is it impossible to argue with me without assuming lies about me? You have that little faith in your positions?

Pakshaer#198:

I have read Freedom at Midnight. It was a long time ago but I do not recall any mention of ``in Amritsar, Muslim women were marched naked in the streets, raped, and had their throats slit in the Gurdwara``. Maybe it was there and I dont remember it since I read it over 20 years ago. So, could you please do me a favour and copy the exact quote from the book? If you didn`t read it in the book but only a reference to it, could you please give the reference? Thanks.

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Pakshar
//..Thank you Quaid-e-Azam and thank you Pak Army, for our little patch of refuge in this hell of a sub-continent...//

Mian - we too thank Qiad-e-azam fot the same reason - he had the foresight to create that ``little patch`` so that you and your army can have a good time :) We already know that pakistan was a good idea[ in retrospect]. So we are not complaining.

Only people who are complaining are those who migrated to the ``little patch of refuge`` - like MQM chief, Altaf Hussain. He thinks that your ``little patch`` was a bad idea - and he is part of your democratic gov`t led by Paki Army. So he should know what he is talking about.

So go talk to him. You don`t have to convince us - we already know.

DilipD,
Can you very kindly write in two or three lines what you are trying to convey? Otherwise it is just getting confusing.

And kindly do not say that you don`t care. Your profession is to write and convey.

You are just making ``gol-mol`` statements without sticking to a point or supporting your assumptons by any facts.

DilipD #181

``I am interested in finding out about the crimes and ``violent tactics`` of anyone at all, including the CPM. Having said that, I also believe the politics and doings of people who follow something called Hindutva is the greatest threat to my country, my family, my future, far more so than the CPM. Yes, it`s my opinion and others are free to think otherwise. Yes, that colours what I write. If that makes me leftist or something else, I`ll live with that. ``

OK, for starters:
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/may/09beng.htm

And for your information, Hindutva poses a great threat to my country, my family and my future too.

But unfortunately for me, I can see before my eyes that those, including leftists who refuse to be outraged at a Jagdish Tytler sitting in the Union Cabinet, are incapable of making credible their outrage against Modi sitting in the CM chair.


That leftists who refuse to be outraged at the political influence that allows bomb-blast organizing maulanas to roam free, fail to make credible their outrage at political influence allowing VHP murderers to roam free.

That leftists who encourage armed attacks by Naxalites on police stations and state institutions in AP and Chattisgarh are incapable of making their outrage credible when it is about state failure in another state, Gujarat.

That leftists who refuse to be outraged at murders and violence in West Bengal by CPM workers trying to control local panchayats or the leftists who refuse to be outraged at rebel killings in Tripura of people daring to vote, simply because those killed were Hindus, are incapable of making credible their outrage at subversion of democracy in Gujarat or Maharashtra.

Give us some credible leftists, not incapable ones, that is all I say.

Leftists are unrealistic to think that they can pick and choose what to be outraged at, and solely through their moralizing, they can shame the general public into adopting their(the leftists`) own selective morality and selective outrage. Such a strategy fails because after all it is the public which is the victim in all cases whether in WB or AP or Gujarat so selective outrage makes no sense to it and moreover the public is not a dumb ass.

#180 by urbashi,

They wonder why Staines thought it necessary to work in Orissa and not among the underprivileged indigenous people in Queensland itself, who need the kind of medical and religious/missionary/coversion help he was providing in India quite as much.

A point well-made indeed.
As a matter of fact chirstian missionary activities across the world boast an annual budget that is higher than the annual budget of any country on the planet (including US).

Staines was busy in extending kingdom of christ in Orissan hinterland. Interestingly, one of the cheap tactics they use to persuade the adivasis is to submerge a wooden cross alongside Ganesh chaturhti visarjan of Ganesh-Murti and bet that the true god would stay afloat. Now not that the villagers don`t understand the buoyancy of wood against clay, but some of them expect a miracle to happen, in absence of which, they succumb to financial-medical-educational bribery sanctified by the keeper of heaven.

Dilip De`souza might just be a soldier from the sixth column.

dilip
//I don`t always succeed, but I try. ..//

Actually - from what I have seen, you seldom succeed to be balanced or see both sides of the coin. You guys have miserably failed to expose the stink of muslim communalism. By doing so - you failed the society in general and muslims themselves in particular.

But atleast you try. So keep trying - some day you will succeed.

In reply to macgupta #193, who believes I think ``one flavor of violence`` is what poses the greatest threat to me ... what I did say was this: I also believe the politics and doings of people who follow something called Hindutva is the greatest threat to my country, my family, my future, far more so than the CPM.

No mention of ``violence`` in there, though I realize macgupta will pick on my use of the word ``doings.`` What I`m trying to say is, it is my belief that Hindutva will destroy my country, my future, long before the CPM will.

I find all violence abhorrent, whether by those who agree with me or those who disagree. Massacres by Naxalites and the CPM, by the Soviets and the Chinese and Mobutu, are no less repulsive than those by Hindutva. No political lens here. All are breaches of morality.

I could hardly be more explicit than that, yet what`s the bet macgupta will find me being partisan in that last para too?

It is in the effect Hindutva has -- which is what I mean by ``politics and doings`` -- that I see it bent on destroying my country. I don`t complain that others disagree -- I expect some people to do so and see that some do. But it remains my belief. Therefore I will fight it with all I have. I don`t complain about that either.

dilipd
//...It`s not as if I`m not used to having these things thrown at me...//

I am sure you are used to labels ``thrown`` at you. And these labels are sticking on you, and sticking well. From your own words - your writings are ``colored`` and you consider violence sponsored by your preferred faction of political landscale is benign.

That`s the worrying part for all of us. The intellectuals and media-persons are now openly condoning violence sponsored by their own political affiliations. What a shame!!