Yahya Jamilulhaq December 22, 2004
#48 Posted by KaalChakra on December 29, 2004 4:08:29 pm
re: M.B.Z.Isphahani # 46
The experience of shaking hands is not a reliable proof supporting your nonsensical beliefs and baseless accusations.
Also, why do you hate Aga Khan so? Is it because as everyone knows Aga Khan and his followers are actually Hindus?
nikki
Unity is a good. But unity sought for violent military purposes against supposed others quickly becomes self-destructive. M.B.Z.Isphahani theatens only Muslims.
The experience of shaking hands is not a reliable proof supporting your nonsensical beliefs and baseless accusations.
Also, why do you hate Aga Khan so? Is it because as everyone knows Aga Khan and his followers are actually Hindus?
nikki
Unity is a good. But unity sought for violent military purposes against supposed others quickly becomes self-destructive. M.B.Z.Isphahani theatens only Muslims.
#47 Posted by nikki7777 on December 28, 2004 6:06:58 pm
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#46 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on December 28, 2004 2:51:46 pm
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#45 Posted by KaalChakra on December 28, 2004 11:25:03 am
tesah
Ironic indeed that laws victimize often those who need them the least, and are ineffective against the lawless.
There is a similar situation in the US. The two groups who seem to enter this country most easily are the illegal immigrants and the terrorists.
M.B.Z.Isphahani
No. It is not called the ``kase`` of winners or the ``kase`` of whiners. It is called the ``kase`` of people who have made lying a habit being asked to account for their statements.
Ironic indeed that laws victimize often those who need them the least, and are ineffective against the lawless.
There is a similar situation in the US. The two groups who seem to enter this country most easily are the illegal immigrants and the terrorists.
M.B.Z.Isphahani
No. It is not called the ``kase`` of winners or the ``kase`` of whiners. It is called the ``kase`` of people who have made lying a habit being asked to account for their statements.
#44 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on December 28, 2004 1:33:21 am
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#43 Posted by amit on December 27, 2004 10:35:48 pm
Re:teshah#42
That is an absolute shame!! Our visa policies must be changed. I heard that recently India has taken some unilateral steps where Pakistani students can now study in Indian institutions. Also visiting senior citizens above 65 years age will not have to report to police. There is still a whole lot that we should do to make travel and business easier between the two countries. In fact, this is one area where India should continue to make unilateral moves. The more we have people to people interaction, the more likely that we can win the hearts and minds of Pakistani people and resolve all our issues.
That is an absolute shame!! Our visa policies must be changed. I heard that recently India has taken some unilateral steps where Pakistani students can now study in Indian institutions. Also visiting senior citizens above 65 years age will not have to report to police. There is still a whole lot that we should do to make travel and business easier between the two countries. In fact, this is one area where India should continue to make unilateral moves. The more we have people to people interaction, the more likely that we can win the hearts and minds of Pakistani people and resolve all our issues.
#42 Posted by teshah on December 27, 2004 6:28:15 pm
33 by amit
There is no doubt that Pakistan`s future lies with India, the mother country. It is however a sad fact that I could travel the world over but could not get the visa to visit India. My only fault was that I was born in that part of India (West Punjab) which later on came to be called as Pakistan. How paradoxical it is when jihadi terrorists, according to the Indian Government, can enter that country at will but they refuse visa to a senior citizen of about 75 who wished to see India and his old friends who had migrated thereto. The treatment meted out to me at the High Commission for India was so insulting that I could have become a `Jihadi` but for my age.
There is no doubt that Pakistan`s future lies with India, the mother country. It is however a sad fact that I could travel the world over but could not get the visa to visit India. My only fault was that I was born in that part of India (West Punjab) which later on came to be called as Pakistan. How paradoxical it is when jihadi terrorists, according to the Indian Government, can enter that country at will but they refuse visa to a senior citizen of about 75 who wished to see India and his old friends who had migrated thereto. The treatment meted out to me at the High Commission for India was so insulting that I could have become a `Jihadi` but for my age.
#41 Posted by KaalChakra on December 26, 2004 4:30:53 pm
M.B.Z.Isphahani
You are right to be concerned that Hinduism is being `promoted` in Islamic countries. Consider this proposal from the Hindu side: We will withdraw all traces of Hinduism from Islamic countries., you remove all of Islam from India. Deal?
``Bomb malays indonesians Thais muslim to convert them into buddhism
The facts are -
In Malaysia, we have not heard of Muslims being bombed so they could be converted to Buddhism. Malaysia is one of the few countries Muslims are proud to use as a role model. Only you know why they would want to turn Muslims into Buddhists.
In Indonesia, Muslims have been bombing other people.
In Thailand, Muslims have been bombing others.
Again Mr. M.B.Z.Isphahani, do you use words only to paint black into white and white into black?
You are right to be concerned that Hinduism is being `promoted` in Islamic countries. Consider this proposal from the Hindu side: We will withdraw all traces of Hinduism from Islamic countries., you remove all of Islam from India. Deal?
``Bomb malays indonesians Thais muslim to convert them into buddhism
The facts are -
In Malaysia, we have not heard of Muslims being bombed so they could be converted to Buddhism. Malaysia is one of the few countries Muslims are proud to use as a role model. Only you know why they would want to turn Muslims into Buddhists.
In Indonesia, Muslims have been bombing other people.
In Thailand, Muslims have been bombing others.
Again Mr. M.B.Z.Isphahani, do you use words only to paint black into white and white into black?
#40 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on December 26, 2004 2:16:54 pm
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#39 Posted by freethinker on December 26, 2004 4:45:53 am
Happy new year to Chowk readers, writers, inter-actors, and staff. May you see many more.
Mohammad Gill
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#38 Posted by bbabu on December 26, 2004 12:10:37 am
This is for labyrinth1. For a student of international politics you are either a novice or a poor student. India will outperform Pakistan with the status quo. However peace will benefit both sides. I expect anti-climatic end to Indo-Pakistani rivalry when a future Pakistani government calls it quits in face of growing Indian economic and military power.
#37 Posted by arjun_m on December 25, 2004 7:55:37 pm
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#36 Posted by Netizen on December 25, 2004 3:19:35 pm
In reply to #35 by labyrinth1
I have found out that either Pakis have a shallow understanding of Indians or they think they can put their own spin on a discussion.
Earlier it was Romair talking about how much Pakistanis like/love Indians and its the indians who are ignorant about the affection Pakistan/Pakis have for indians. When several facts were pointed out to him, he was never seen on the bulletin board.
Now we have Mr. Labyrinth1, who seems to be lost in the labyrinth of logic. He was on his way to explain how difficult it is for Pak to continue with its defence program. The solution: India should hand over Srinagar to Pak. Also, because 100% of Pakis agree with Mushy`s plan (Labyrinth still hasn`t revealed what it is), hence India should also.
Labyrinth, open your eyes and ears only then you will realise that the ``rhethoric`` has turned into reality.
Jai Hind
I have found out that either Pakis have a shallow understanding of Indians or they think they can put their own spin on a discussion.
Earlier it was Romair talking about how much Pakistanis like/love Indians and its the indians who are ignorant about the affection Pakistan/Pakis have for indians. When several facts were pointed out to him, he was never seen on the bulletin board.
Now we have Mr. Labyrinth1, who seems to be lost in the labyrinth of logic. He was on his way to explain how difficult it is for Pak to continue with its defence program. The solution: India should hand over Srinagar to Pak. Also, because 100% of Pakis agree with Mushy`s plan (Labyrinth still hasn`t revealed what it is), hence India should also.
Labyrinth, open your eyes and ears only then you will realise that the ``rhethoric`` has turned into reality.
Jai Hind
#34 Posted by labyrinth1 on December 25, 2004 1:09:32 pm
I was thinking and I could have come up with scores of comments and
counter comments -theres no use of commenting this would not lead us to a constructive discussion . ( Indians on this forum and I know this doesn`t represent anyone in India and the comments of interacters means nothing or comes even close to Indian Government stance )
counter comments -theres no use of commenting this would not lead us to a constructive discussion . ( Indians on this forum and I know this doesn`t represent anyone in India and the comments of interacters means nothing or comes even close to Indian Government stance )
#33 Posted by amit on December 25, 2004 8:19:02 am
Re:M.B.Z #32
Ha ha ha!! Good joke!! You expect Saudi Arabia and Iran to dissolve borders with Pakistan? What kind of drugs are you smoking? These countries treat Pakistani visitors like garbage. They look down at all desis as belonging to inferior races, no matter how much Islam you practice in front of them. These countries fall at the feet of American or European visitors but they treat Pakistanis (and Indians) like lepers. You expect them to open their borders to millions of Pakistanis? In fact none of the countries on your list will open borders with you. They will not even consider a economic grouping with you. The only country that will actually consider anything with you is India. If you don`t believe me, go ahead and bring it up in the OIC. You will get the humiliation of a lifetime!!
A few years back, when the Central Asian Republics were becoming free, Pakistan thought that it was a great opportunity to make a Islamic block starting from Central Asia to Pakistan. All these countries told Pakistan to get lost. You guys need to realize that your destiny lies with India, whether you like it or not. India is the only country that will treat you with respect and give you a place at the table. Also, stop dreaming about breaking up India. It will never happen.
Ha ha ha!! Good joke!! You expect Saudi Arabia and Iran to dissolve borders with Pakistan? What kind of drugs are you smoking? These countries treat Pakistani visitors like garbage. They look down at all desis as belonging to inferior races, no matter how much Islam you practice in front of them. These countries fall at the feet of American or European visitors but they treat Pakistanis (and Indians) like lepers. You expect them to open their borders to millions of Pakistanis? In fact none of the countries on your list will open borders with you. They will not even consider a economic grouping with you. The only country that will actually consider anything with you is India. If you don`t believe me, go ahead and bring it up in the OIC. You will get the humiliation of a lifetime!!
A few years back, when the Central Asian Republics were becoming free, Pakistan thought that it was a great opportunity to make a Islamic block starting from Central Asia to Pakistan. All these countries told Pakistan to get lost. You guys need to realize that your destiny lies with India, whether you like it or not. India is the only country that will treat you with respect and give you a place at the table. Also, stop dreaming about breaking up India. It will never happen.
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