Mohammad Gill December 20, 2004
#9 Posted by sadna on December 20, 2004 4:25:11 pm
If the setting had been a temple or a mosque, there would have been protests then too.
#8 Posted by kaurasach on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
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#7 Posted by dullabhatti on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
Now that the play has been written, prepared and scheduled it MUST go on no matter who objects to it. Even though it may be excessive protrayal of the issue, stepping back would mean religious figures and palces are out of reach for criticism. That should not happen. Sikhs instead of concentrating on this play should do something to cleanup the corruption and mismanagement going on in the gurdawaras. The corrupt managers, greedy Bhais and kirtaniyas, corrupt management committees using Gurdwara resources to get people illegally into these countries, using money for political purposes, stealing money from the cash boxes etc should be fought head on and anyone found guilty needs to be put behind bars and not let go by excusing that it will defame the community.
#6 Posted by kaurasach on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
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#5 Posted by Fitaa on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
Manto and Ismat Chughtai did not become `great` after writing `Thanda Gosht` and `Lihaf`. They were already great, they just gathered more publicity after that. This does not necessarily mean that writing about sex was in some way linked to their `greatness`.
Aap nay tu saaron ko he aik line mai khara kar diya :)
#4 Posted by dullabhatti on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
To add....If the play is really set in the main Gurdwara hall along with depicting the Granth there, that is really dumb. Main halls are usually open 24/7 and people come and go most of the times...if murder and rape is shown in some other part of the Gurdwara like guest house, residential areas, management building etc, then it is more realistic depiction as these cases have happened in Gurdwaras in the past although scale of such events has been very small. I have heard only 3/4 cases in the last few years. Some of them actually were at Deras(priviate religious complex) of some self proclaimed Saints. I just Googled using 3 words in various spellings : Rape Sikh Gurdwara, rape sikh gurudwara, rape sikh gurudawara, rape sikh temple and have come up with only one relavent news.
Dera chief held on rape charge
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030719/ldh1.htm
Other news like the following are not directly related to the issue. People who go to the gurdwaras can go elsewhere to rape. That is not a
Two members of a strife-torn Sikh temple in Bedford pleaded not guilty
http://www.cleveland.com/crime/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1102501804219520.xml
Even if 25% of the cases are reported which is almost impossible in this day and age particularly in countries like England even then 3/4 cases over a period of few years, no doubt deserved condemnation but does`t classify it as a systematic problem. particularly when other issues exist.
On the other hand murders in the Gurdawaras due to fight between two opposing groups usually over politics of the management, are more common. 3 or 4 cases has happened in USA and Canada only in the last 4/5 years.
What is most common is corrtuption of money stealing of the funds and assets, using funds for political purposes, using instituition of Gurdwara to bring people into western countries who then go illegal. These are the problems which are more rampant and need to be tackled head on.
Dera chief held on rape charge
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030719/ldh1.htm
Other news like the following are not directly related to the issue. People who go to the gurdwaras can go elsewhere to rape. That is not a
Two members of a strife-torn Sikh temple in Bedford pleaded not guilty
http://www.cleveland.com/crime/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1102501804219520.xml
Even if 25% of the cases are reported which is almost impossible in this day and age particularly in countries like England even then 3/4 cases over a period of few years, no doubt deserved condemnation but does`t classify it as a systematic problem. particularly when other issues exist.
On the other hand murders in the Gurdawaras due to fight between two opposing groups usually over politics of the management, are more common. 3 or 4 cases has happened in USA and Canada only in the last 4/5 years.
What is most common is corrtuption of money stealing of the funds and assets, using funds for political purposes, using instituition of Gurdwara to bring people into western countries who then go illegal. These are the problems which are more rampant and need to be tackled head on.
#3 Posted by kaurasach on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
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#2 Posted by dullabhatti on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
Gill sahib, thanks for bringing the topic here. I read about last night only. Hope this raises some relavent dicussion.
#1 Posted by kaurasach on December 20, 2004 2:38:47 pm
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