Tsunami

how come axis of evil Iran is sending aid too ??

Pakistan sends jihadis....oops aid to Tsunami victims

re: Aid by muslim countries
Where are the oil-rich muslim nations in times of need? Indonesia and Maldives are 2 muslim countries devasted by Tsunami. Not one muslim nation has sent any money or manpower to help these countries. Saudi Arabian mofuckers are busy donating money for Jehad around the world but it seems they have no money to spare for their muslim brothers when money is direly needed in these 2 Tsunami-hit nations.
As always, it is the Western nations who have come to the aid of these countries.
Sridhar

``Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has come out of that centuries old Brahmanical taboo that ghettoized India to its own shores.``(avenger quote from aljazeera)

Brahmanical taboo that ghettoized India? -- not true -- it was actually an Indian Brahmin who pushed India right after 1947 to get deeply involved on the global scale with the non-aligned countries -- for one

Parthaab -- the answer to all ur 10 question is -- YES....

to #7. -- that Mongoloid born-again to-kill-Christian buffoon indeed may not have killed more people in one Iraq than the Tusnami did in eleven countries....but the dimwit is at least trying hard -- and as a Born-again Christian from the West -- he is definitely operating on a morally higher ground -- than the lowland devastating Tsunami of the third world....

....our Mongoloid is promoting Democracy by Torture in persuit of Christian values keeping the kill ration between the Iraqis and the Americans -- 100:1 -- while the Tsunami is utterly devoid of any moral values and killed indiscriminately....

....although -- u didn`t see -- any bloated bodies of the shiny White Westerners -- floating among the debris -- on the international TV......that honor is reserved for only the black Asians... because their profile is blends well in the the debris...

so keeping the perspective one will have to say that the Aceh Tsunami performed EVEN worse than our beloved born-again-Re-elected President....

......but then again -- compared to the Killer Tsunami our Killer President has -- `Four More Years`-- to top -- or at least do somewhat better -- than the third world Tsunami....in death and destruction.....Jesus Christ willing....

Parthaab -- the answer to all ur 10 question is -- YES....

to #7. -- that Mongoloid born-again to-kill-Christian buffoon indeed may not have killed more people in one Iraq than the Tusnami did in eleven countries....but the dimwit is at least trying hard -- and as a Born-again Christian from the West -- he is definitely operating on a morally higher ground -- than the lowland devastating Tsunami of the third world....

....our Mongoloid is promoting Democracy by Torture in persuit of Christian values keeping the kill ration between the Iraqis and the Americans -- 100:1 -- while the Tsunami is utterly devoid of any moral values and killed indiscriminately....

....although -- u didn`t see -- any bloated bodies of the shiny White Westerners -- floating among the debris -- on the international TV......that honor is reserved for only the black Asians... because their profile naturally blends well with the debris...

so keeping the perspective one will have to say that the Aceh Tsunami performed EVEN worse than our beloved born-again-Re-elected President....

......but then again -- compared to the Killer Tsunami our Killer President has -- `Four More Years`-- to top -- or at least do somewhat better -- than the third world Tsunami....in death and destruction.....Jesus Christ willing....

The Tsunami and some Pakistani apprehensions >>

India wants all credit for tsunami relief operations

By Iftikhar Gilani , Daily Times (Pakistan)

NEW DELHI: India, which had refused international aid for its tsunami victims, has been helping its neighbours with relief work in an attempt to project an image of a regional superpower.

The Indian government had even refused an aid offer from China which offered a $3 million aid package for tsunami victims in India. It has now joined in relief operations being carried out by the United States, Australia and Japan. Diplomats said the motive behind this move is India’s urge to be recognised as a major power in the Indian Ocean along with these countries. The Indian navy has launched four rescue and relief operations — The Operation Seawave (along the Andamans cost), Operation Rainbow in Sri Lanka, Operation Castor in the Maldives and the Operation Gambhir in Indonesia..

Army sources said that India was using Israeli-built Searcher Mark II drones to assess the damage from the mishap.

In the Andamans islands, where a unified tri-service command was headquartered, India has decided to set up an integrated relief command under Vice-Admiral Raman Puri, the chief of the integrated defence staff.

India is also uncomfortable with the proposed visit of a high-level team from Washington to the affected areas.

10 questions that immediately spring to my mind in the aftermath of the recent tsunami are:

1.Is it true that some American scientists knew about the approaching disaster but did not act?
2.Is it true that a private phone call from a Singaporean to a coastal village in India saved 4 villages?
3.Is it true that the Indian military hierachy knew about the approaching tsunami after it struck the Andaman islands but did not inform the relevant ministries?
4.Is it true that no action will be taken against them?
5.Is it true that Bush earns more in a day in Iraq than the $350 he has promised to the victims of the tsunami?
6.Is it true that the UN takes such offers of aid with a pinch of salt as only a fraction of the promised aid usually materialises?
7.Is it true that the fury of one religious madman has killed more people in one country - Iraq - than the recent tsunami could?
8.Is it true that big fishing trawling companies will strike it rich because much of tragedy hit the micro fishing community?
9.Is it true that the economy of these coastal areas will improve only if the tourists return in the same numbers, and not if they moved on to different vocations?
10.Is it true that the only small comfort God can give the tsunami affected people now, is probably allowing them to spew at him (and looking for other causes and solutions to natural calamities)?

For the Chowk readers who may be interested in the physics of tsunamis, the following article may be of some interest.

Mohammad Gill


Date:30/12/2004 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/seta/2004/12/30/stories/2004123000111600.htm

Sci Tech



Physics of the tsunami
The speed of the tsunami is governed by the water depth. Speed reduces and wave height increases as it approaches the shore.
BREEZE FLOWING across a lake or ocean can create wrinkles on the water surface and produce short waves restricted to shallow layer. Tides — high and low tides — that sweep the globe every day also produce waves.
But tsunamis that create killer waves are different for many reasons — they are not produced by gravitational pull of the moon but due to abrupt shifting of the sea floor and resultant vertical displacement of the overlying water. A tsunami is a series of ocean waves generated by such disturbances.
Bid to regain equilibrium
Waves are formed as the displaced water mass attempts to regain its equilibrium. And the size of the resultant tsunami waves is determined by the quantum of the deformation of the sea floor. More the vertical displacement, greater will be the size of the waves. As a rule, all earthquakes do not produce tsunamis.
To generate tsunamis, earthquakes must occur underneath or near the ocean, be large and create movements in the sea floor. The earthquake`s magnitude, depth, fault characteristics and coincident slumping of sediments or secondary faulting also determine the size of the tsunamis.
They can be more aptly described as a series of waves of extremely long wavelength and long period generated in a body of water by an impulsive disturbance that displaces the water. Wind-generated waves usually have period (time between two successive waves) of five to twenty seconds and a wavelength (distance between two successive waves) of about 100 to 200 metres (300 to 600 ft).
Tsunamis can have a period in the range of ten minutes to two hours and a wavelength in excess of 500 km. It is because of their long wavelengths that tsunamis behave as shallow-water waves.
Inversely related
A wave is characterised as a shallow-water wave when the ratio between the water depth and its wavelength gets very small. And the rate at which a wave loses its energy is inversely related to its wavelength. Since tsunamis have a very large wavelength, in excess of 500 km, it will lose little energy as it propagates.
Hence in very deep water, a tsunami will travel at high speeds and travel great distances with limited energy loss. For example, when the ocean is more than 5000 metres deep, unnoticed tsunami travel about 890 km per hour, the speed of a jet airplane.
A tsunami at 1000 metres of water depth would travel at 356 km per hour speed. At 5039 metre water depth, it would travel at 800 km per hour and at 6000 m of water depth it would travel at 873 km per hour. So a tsunami travels at different speeds in the ocean; slow in shallow water and fast in deep water.
Though there are many places in the ocean that are deeper than 5000 metres, an average depth of 5000 metres is reckoned and hence an average speed of about 750 km per hour. Thus it can move from one side of the Pacific Ocean to the other side in less than a day.
But what in the first place provides the force needed to allow a tsunami to travel a long distance? Tsunamis are what are called long gravity waves. There are two interacting processes that allow these waves to propagate. The first is the slope of the sea surface, which creates a horizontal pressure force.
The second is the piling up (or lowering of sea surface) as water moves with different speeds in the direction that the wave form is moving. When these two processes have the right relationship in time, they create propagating waves.
As the tsunami crosses the deep ocean, its wavelength — distance from crest to crest — may be hundred kilometres or more and its amplitude — height from crest to trough — will be in the order of a few feet or less. They cannot be felt aboard ships nor can they be seen from the air in the open ocean.
Advance warning
Despite the great speed, they travel much slower than the seismic waves. Hence earthquake information is often available hours before the tsunamis are able to travel across the ocean. Tremors were felt around 6.30 am in Chennai; it took more than two and half hours to reach the shores.
As a tsunami leaves the deep water of the open sea and propagates into the more shallow waters near the coast, it undergoes a transformation. Its speed is affected. The speed of the tsunami is directly related to the water depth; it slows down as it enters the shallower continental shelf water.
The friction of the continental shelf floor slows down the front of the wave. As a result of this slowing down, the trailing waves pile onto the waves in front of them, like a rug crumpled against a wall creating a wave.
This results in decreasing the distance between individual waves in a process called `shoaling`. The conservation of energy requires that the amplitudes (height) of the waves grow larger as the waves slow down. The height of the wave rises up to 30 feet or more and the total energy of the tsunami remains a constant.
Shoaling effect
Because of this shoaling effect, a tsunami that remained imperceptible in deep water may grow in height as it reaches the shore. Aftermath of a tsunami attack is nothing but destruction.
All oceanic regions of the world can experience tsunamis, but they are much more frequent in the Pacific Ocean. Occurrence of large, destructive tsunamis is common because of the many large earthquakes along the margins of the Pacific Ocean.
By Our Special Correspondent in Chennai
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AbdoolAmreeka-32: 102

This Tiaooo00N, as per the ``world according to Sgt. Abbaji``--aka as his ``Sacred-secret Hadeeth Scrolls`` was foretold & hence expected. Un-beknownst to you, your brain does a better Left-Right than your legs .

Never forget you are a cantonement-kennel Officers`-mutt. The thickness of their skull is pretty well-known even among the ranks. You thought you understood #102 (and at the same time it didn`t make sense to you...it was not supposed for you, O AbdoolAmreeka.*). You are the 2nd nicest, gentlest, politest DUFFER on Chowk. It works for a while, but eventually stupidity does speak-up.

The other AbdoolAmreeka is NOT a duffer; he is admired & cheered even when he utters kufr--because he is out of the closet. An honest man indeed.

You are nice & stupid.

Until and unless you curse your Masters, the ones who you consider your Providence, your rubb--the ones who as per you, give you roti--you`ll not be let off-the-hook by muslims.

*AbdoolAmreeka: Slave of Amreeka
Abd-allah: Abd--slave Allah : slave of Allah

avrenger,

......... so you are saying that your government would rather see a child starve to death than accept aid from the dutch and the british ?.......... avenger mian, get real - india is still very much a third world country inspite of the software exports and needs all the help it can get ........ there is no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face ......... there is something perverse about letting children die because of a false sense of pride .........

If receiving foreign aid works out as expensive as you claim it does though I cant imagine that foreign aid workers expect themselves to be put up in five or even three star hotels, well dont receive aid. But the argument that they go back and criticise us is again a case of being too sensitive . Some workers may go back and be critical, so what? Our development is lacking and our attitude callous to say the least. Other workers do put in good work and there are agencies who have worked all over the world and are trained to deal with emergencies quickly and efficeintly. Our workers may be committed but apart from a few organised agencies, the rest fumble along learning from mistakes they make. Emergencies such as the tsunami do not have the time for fumbling. Disasters such as these need urgent and well thought out relief and there is no harm in letting foreign agencies in for that. Of course no one says, let them go to Kalpakkam or Andamans if you dont want them to. Yet refusing aid altogether may just affect the people needing it the most- I think pride comes second to such widespread misery. Also Indians are not sensitive to the needs of the disaster stricken- mere food and clothing and shelter is not all they require. Counselling, kindness, immediate help for the mental trauma is required which we dont even address and people end up living their entire lives never being able to get over the impact of the disaster, whether a cyclone, or a riot or now a tsunami. We see so many disasters we become immune to them. Relief work is also a professional task which is how foreign agencies go about it. Misplaced pride will mean more bungling but then maybe our own agencies will learn finally, hopefully.

re:#104 by avenger
Looks like Gujjubania is back in a new avatar! How much credibility will a person have if he has to keep changing his name?
India may be politically right in refusing aid but it is a stupid act. In times like this, one has to get aid from all sources. More improtantly, some international agencies like CARE, ``Doctors without borders``, Red Crosss etc have a long experience of disbursing aid to the target area in good time. This is what saves lives, not the huge amount of foreign exchange that India has in its vault.
India is woefully lacking in infrastructure. Though not true, there is a general impression even among Indians that the money donated to Indian NGOs end up in somebody`s pockets. I saw an Indian (name sounded Sindhi to me) say so on CNN. This was shameful to hear.
Sridhar

tahmed32#103:

``But India does stop at wagah, dost mittarjee``

...but not the land [I was careful about what I said :-)].