The Idea of Chowk

#177 by rahul_capri on January 25, 2005 4:08pm PT Score=2

1. `You dont seem to want to realize the difference between attacking ideas and attacking people. But that actually figures. Most of your cheerleaders are because of your gali galoch.`

2. ``The `freedom of expression` is EXACTLY FOR THE PEOPLE who might be seen to violate the normative standards of respectful conduct.``
Can you give some examples from history?`

1. kaka realizes the difference and he wants to admit both attacks to be free from editorial/technological based removals. Why should the cheerleaders not enjoy kaka`s amazing facility in gaalum galoch. O mairay bhy, you have the `ignore` and `set your own threshholds` controls now. Using those controls, what the fukk do you care if a tree fell under the chowk thicket and YOU DID NOT HEAR IT? Why do you care? kaka`s awesome fluidity with gaaliyaaN and insights delights and educates a certain audience. What is saminah`s problem if she can use the controls on her profile page NOT TO SEE IT? Yay kyaa nosy maa-zoori hay k, you have to read every friggin` thing that kaka posts.

2. There are exactly zero point zero examples of what kaka is talking about. Or maybe there are some... Why does kaka have to quote Quran, hadeeth, history and Nehru`s speeches to support a great idea which on the face of it seems good. What kind of intellectual maazoori drives you to look for precedents. It is a good idea because because.. let kaka see you argue against it..

maazoori = handicap

Re: # 169
You dont seem to want to realize the difference between attacking ideas and attacking people. But that actually figures. Most of your cheerleaders are because of your gali galoch.
``The `freedom of expression` is EXACTLY FOR THE PEOPLE who might be seen to violate the normative standards of respectful conduct.``
Can you give some examples from history?

`1. I would certainly wish you the experience of being treated the way you think can treat other self respecting interactors...


2. ...here`s my question-where else in society do the pervs run the system?

3. I mean, if the pedophiles are actually restricted from children so that they cant assault them, why on earth do you think you should be given run of the children`s hospital corridor?

4. Reading your posts is like watching a really bad Law and Order Suv episode...`



1. kaka knows it can be bad. Maybe kaka has gone through it, maybe not BUT BUT BUT BUT the Freedom of Expression overrides all such hurts.. Your agenda of womanhood and respect is great and wahwah but do not champion or explain away the Freedom of Expression cause, because you are not worthy. kaka is ready to concede that he fails on championing the women`s rights too. Not that you have to reciprocate.. but just know your auqaat in the intellectual discourse..

2. Why does the discourse on a website have to mirror the society? It could easily be worse or better. The appeal to correspondence to society is an intellectually negligent AKA `first thoughs.. best thoughts` argument. You have trained yourself to be intellectually negligent and scraped up some pride in it.

3. `Why on earth, you ask?` BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE, this is a marketplace of ideas. Of unbridled, non-PC discourse. Of words and pictures. Not real life of tsunamis and theaters with compromising fire exits. Echoboom needs the freedom. kaka`s crazed head needs freedom. kaka is too respectable in real life to mouth off his kakaness. kaka has great ideas which nobody in real life listens too cos kaka is just too cute to be taken seriously. etc.

4. You need to grow up and quit deriving moral lessons from TV, chile! Keep on reading what kaka has to say and uneducate yourself.

all of echoboom`s posts are cases in point as to how the front page will continue to be polluted, and people will just leave him be. is everyone going to ignore the great boomblast according to this system. . . i suspect the answer will be no.

and kaka. . . you really do need to grow up. heckling and harassing to the point of verbally assaulting certain women as if you were standing on the streetcorner of sharah-e-quaid-e-azam next to a coca-cola stall really is asinine and infantile. obviously decorum and discipline are completely lost upon you. but one needs a mind for that, doesn`t one?

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samina,

keep wondering. :)

even the loveliest and cleanest of parks have people who are a dangerous menace to women. and i make my choices who to avoid and who not to, which park to go to and which one not to. some people do pick up after their doggies, and yanni is not godforsaken to everyone. . .

i have been on the verge of being assaulted in a park, heck in my own lawn, and i turned around and hightailed it out of there. it wasn`t for wearing a burqa or jeans. if you are in any way suggesting that i would be supporting assault by objecting to this silly scoring system, i would suggest that you think again. . . i don`t like what a lot of people particularly the men have to say here on chowk in regards to women, in regards to races and cultures. and i have made that known. but i am not going to support a system here that will judge an interactor`s opinions to be valid or invalid by keeping numerical score.

one of these very abled staff people of chowk told me once when i complained about a certain interactor, that he had the right and the freedom to express his opinion here. i don`t see this current implementation as supporting such a stance. it isn`t just about weeding out the assaulters who should have action taken against them. i think some people here see that.

of course feel free to arrive at what conclusions you may about my response, just as i have about this system. i, however, will not be around to respond to your wonderings any longer. thanks.

Hello Everybody:

I came on Chowk after a long time and decided to see if I have not been kicked out. It seems that all is well.

And Chowk looks great. It is showing lot of creativity.

Although I agree with the writer, I also hope that this scientific methodology of scoring works. This methodology bodes well for the future. If successful, it can be applied to determine the scores of political and religious leaders, journalists and what have you, bringing in income for the Chowk staff who designed the system.

However, I have a question for Chowk staff: Is this scoring subjectivly done by say 1 person or 2 or a group of your staff or do you have a business intelligence (or comparable) tool supporting the methodology? :-)

For the rest of us posters, I suggest that we be ourselves and forget all about the scores. For example, if this writer Godot had written an article claiming every thing is wrong with Pakistan (which I distinctly recall he once did a year or so ago), I would have forgotten all about the scores in a jiffy hahaha.

Btw, compared to Australia, the weather in the northern USA and Canada stinks. I feel aweful for Americans living in the New England states and those living anywhere in Canada. I wish you all a very happy shoveling of snow ;-)

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Kaka,

I would certainly wish you the experience of being treated the way you think can treat other self respecting interactors...but you get off on it, and thats the trouble...here`s my question-where else in society do the pervs run the system? I mean, if the pedophiles are actually restricted from children so that they cant assault them, why on earth do you think you should be given run of the children`s hospital corridor?

Reading your posts is like watching a really bad Law and Order Suv episode...

Re: # 167
O khotay!
Just hang around. The fun has just started.
You won`t be disappointed by the new gali gloch.

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Ana,

In which park do you prefer to walk?

One where you will be assaulted for wearing your jeans and/or burqa or one where it doesnt matter and you are respected? Are your parks du jour filled with ``representatives`` of ``authentic`` nations, or people who are just hoping to go for a run, feed the birds, exit a quick dash, or smell the flowers? Is your park filled with people who throw trash everywhere, refuse to pick up after their dogs or insist on playing their godforsaken Yanni all day? Do you have a position for or against the teenagers smoking weed by the bench near the trees, or do you think the bird droppings on the park founder`s statue should be left on it for ``reality``?

Just wondering, here...

rodents. code coolies, carpet weavers and ayatollahs ..........

......now that everyone has vented and the code coolies who dwell with the rodents in the subterranean sewers that lie beneath the chowk have had their fun, let`s all get on with the usual mudslinging, muckraking, baiting, jugglery, pedantic sophistry, intellectual chicanery and plain old name-calling ............

....... and echoboom, you can keep up your rant against the gora-goo-chaaters (white shit lickers, for the convent educated) but you need to come up with some new invective (gali, for the madrassa educated), vituperation (galoch) and terms of endearing approbrium (laanat malaamat) for the baa baa black sheep ......... your usual tirades do not seem to bother dheet (shameless, for the convent educated) farangi-parasts (whiteman worshippers) ........... actually i kind of like the name abdoolamreeka and am seriously thinking of adopting it as my nick on chowk .......

........ as for the chowk code coolies - guys, you are doing a great job, but just don`t get carried away ......... i know you little men with thick glasses and bad hair are always striving for perfection with your little jars of java beans, but like the carpet makers of qum, who deliberately weave in a flaw, don`t forget that only god is perfect ........ don`t be like the ayatollahs who live on the other side of the tracks and who think they know everything ................ they don`t know goo ..........

Deleting posts is one thing, but kicking people out all together is different. So yea, this makes chowk suck quite a bit. It`s almost like an on-line totalitarian government :) But anyways there is no real purpose for this post, I jsut wanted to see how this new rating feature works.

This article must be a real record setter, 165 posts on an article that`s been up for only two days.

CHOWK-STAFF:
If you are sincere and truly believe not be an oppresor (like western THUGS) then:

Get rid of your Vardee. Let the inter-actors wrest from you the ability to comment or rate
posts.

Let other interacors rate posts . You already have the star-rating system in place. Just move that to where you have the ``set reading options``, the shudar-brahmin ,,system.

If you want others to speak their minds just get the hell out of their way..do not make your oppressive presence like the U.S``let more bodybags come`` THUGS.

Also if you keep CHOWK desi, get rid of this leafy-glade inn , Gymkhana kind of farangi-hangup ghulaam-mentality. Put Bano bazaar, Anarkali, Sadar Bazaar, Quisaa Khwani, Darul-Uloom etc instead.

Introduce or facilitate Urdu and Hindi sections..even others, if demanded. It is time we remove this illusion & delusion that to look/talk western=necessarily modern/educated.

with all due respect to the ``good`` intentions of the chowk-staff, there is no such thing as an unpolluted park, or an unpolluted environment anywhere. and what sameer rightly refers to a ``quantitative favoritism mix scale`` that has been developed is not going to change the environment.

of course certain interactors who refer to weeding out the trash mouths here, sound hypocritical at best, but if they are the ones happy. . . i wish them the best. as for me, my participation at the front page was minimal at best, and this numbers system has taken care of that for me. i too, will not be part of a ``quantitative favoritism mix scale``.

happy fortune to chowk.

p.s. sameeroo, you are missed!

The feedback here has been incredible, which can only mean that we will continue to improve this system.

The goal simply is to keep Chowk as the most open, free, and thriving environment for interaction. The fact is that Chowk has been growing steadily at a rate of 20% per month. The challenge for us is to sustain this growth without letting it dilute the quality of interaction, which is what we are trying.

In our role as facilitators we have seen over and again that Chowk is a self correcting organism (if I may call it so). For this reason, instead of emphasizing moderation we have favored these new features which are meant to be tools in this process.

One way of looking at it is that, while some of us like all the smells and sights of a Chowk, others prefer a walk through an unpolluted park. The reality probably is that we all like these things at different times. And the flexibility of these features lets us do exactly that.

So thank you all for your feedback, we will work with it for we are in this journey together with you.