Salman Baset January 9, 2005
#9 Posted by labyrinth1 on January 10, 2005 7:34:03 am
I lived in KU ( Karachi University ) campus as my mom was Dean of one of the depts. and was involved and still is involved in hard-core decision making of KU ( till today ) - let me asure you about that `fake degree(s)` were and is a part of atleast KU today . I remember a price which I checked last year , the price list is as follows..:
a ) Science Degree ( attested and verified only once ) - Rs. 38,000 - cash
b ) Arts Degree ( attested and verified twice ) - Rs- 15000
c) BA or MA in either Bangoli or Sindi - Rs.10000 - list goes on -
this is all done in Admin. Block of KU and no Prof. I am aware is involved in this scam but only junior staff from respected Depts. -
Paper Leaks- are done by the same group -
a ) Science Degree ( attested and verified only once ) - Rs. 38,000 - cash
b ) Arts Degree ( attested and verified twice ) - Rs- 15000
c) BA or MA in either Bangoli or Sindi - Rs.10000 - list goes on -
this is all done in Admin. Block of KU and no Prof. I am aware is involved in this scam but only junior staff from respected Depts. -
Paper Leaks- are done by the same group -
#8 Posted by labyrinth1 on January 10, 2005 7:34:03 am
The good thing now is that Dr.Saify - ex VC KU did tried to control these rouge elements and the situation today is very much under conrtrol - and I think and let me assure you all from KU point of view fake degree`s from KU specially is history thanks to Dr.Saify and his team - plus the new VC - Pirzada Qasim
#7 Posted by Jahil on January 10, 2005 7:34:03 am
I hope an appraisal of our ministers and members of assembly would follow.
Great work Mr. Baset. I’m sure Dr. Isa would be reinstated.
God bless our nation!
Great work Mr. Baset. I’m sure Dr. Isa would be reinstated.
God bless our nation!
#6 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on January 10, 2005 2:41:23 am
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#5 Posted by khayal on January 9, 2005 11:06:17 pm
Very good work Baset!
i am glad to see this type of an objective investigative work in pakistan. also surprised to see it.
also: there are a few other aspects of objective analysis that we should practice in our society. for instance, after identification of a problem, the identification of its solution, and the development of systemic safeguards to prevent the recurrence of that problem.
i know these are different stages and this article was supposed to contribute for just one of these phases, but we should also see contributions on those lines.
inevitably, there are a few consequences of this whole drama.
- the impact on students of QAU on any such controversy needs to be considered here. how would a student be motivated to do painful hardwork to earn a terminal degree, or any degree for that mattter, when there are strong suspicions of the qualifications earned by the institution`s chief.
- what would be the impact of that gentleman on the new-coming faculty or on existing faculty? how can a person lead others with a fractured or dissipated credibility.
- also how sad is the fact that an institution of higher education gets such an ignoble and ill-famed birth. should we do something for it?
aside from the objective problem solving:
there are some bitter facts we need to open our eyes about too:
- did anybody question why it became prudent to simply `regard` all such pieces of sub-ordinary services as ``universities`` or ``degree granting authorities``. what prompted anyone to see the NIML as an NUML, what was it doing so superb that it became essential to make it independent? and how was its ``superb performance`` affected under the umbrella of QAU?
these are real questions before we start painting boards for the pappu university of kheti-bari, and lallu-panju university of modern patangbazi, feeka univ of chats, and dhenga univ of culinary arts, etc. almost everyday i fear reading news about such exciting creative ideas of our fellow pakistanis who are so bent upon making world records of idiocy. and all so called advanced countries dont get the idea of breaking their hundreds of departments and institutes to create a swarm of `centers of excellences`!
- systemically, perhaps it is quite an imperative to get the military be treated for its psychological disorders. well, one may argue quite reasonably why shouldnt the whole country receive such a treatment. but frankly, military qualifies for preferntial attention because the reach and effects of a sick military mind is much more than that of any civiilian mind.
our military does not seem to easily understand the plausibility of the argument that a good operational command of a few corps or intelligence offices do not grant any vision to any mind. so appointment of generals and colonels and civil servants for academic leadership positions only speak of the intellectual and logical bankrupcy of a nation where there is no strong tradition of having technorat advisory committees whose recommendations are considered important.
take it light but do not take it non-seriously! ;-)
with kind regards,
khayal !
i am glad to see this type of an objective investigative work in pakistan. also surprised to see it.
also: there are a few other aspects of objective analysis that we should practice in our society. for instance, after identification of a problem, the identification of its solution, and the development of systemic safeguards to prevent the recurrence of that problem.
i know these are different stages and this article was supposed to contribute for just one of these phases, but we should also see contributions on those lines.
inevitably, there are a few consequences of this whole drama.
- the impact on students of QAU on any such controversy needs to be considered here. how would a student be motivated to do painful hardwork to earn a terminal degree, or any degree for that mattter, when there are strong suspicions of the qualifications earned by the institution`s chief.
- what would be the impact of that gentleman on the new-coming faculty or on existing faculty? how can a person lead others with a fractured or dissipated credibility.
- also how sad is the fact that an institution of higher education gets such an ignoble and ill-famed birth. should we do something for it?
aside from the objective problem solving:
there are some bitter facts we need to open our eyes about too:
- did anybody question why it became prudent to simply `regard` all such pieces of sub-ordinary services as ``universities`` or ``degree granting authorities``. what prompted anyone to see the NIML as an NUML, what was it doing so superb that it became essential to make it independent? and how was its ``superb performance`` affected under the umbrella of QAU?
these are real questions before we start painting boards for the pappu university of kheti-bari, and lallu-panju university of modern patangbazi, feeka univ of chats, and dhenga univ of culinary arts, etc. almost everyday i fear reading news about such exciting creative ideas of our fellow pakistanis who are so bent upon making world records of idiocy. and all so called advanced countries dont get the idea of breaking their hundreds of departments and institutes to create a swarm of `centers of excellences`!
- systemically, perhaps it is quite an imperative to get the military be treated for its psychological disorders. well, one may argue quite reasonably why shouldnt the whole country receive such a treatment. but frankly, military qualifies for preferntial attention because the reach and effects of a sick military mind is much more than that of any civiilian mind.
our military does not seem to easily understand the plausibility of the argument that a good operational command of a few corps or intelligence offices do not grant any vision to any mind. so appointment of generals and colonels and civil servants for academic leadership positions only speak of the intellectual and logical bankrupcy of a nation where there is no strong tradition of having technorat advisory committees whose recommendations are considered important.
take it light but do not take it non-seriously! ;-)
with kind regards,
khayal !
#4 Posted by adeelabbas on January 9, 2005 8:46:31 pm
Great work Salman. I can tell you that the general trend in Pakistan is to hush up such scandals. Whisleblowers, regardless are very small and those who do put their careers at great risk.
Its a very sad situation.
Its a very sad situation.
#3 Posted by haideri on January 9, 2005 7:10:25 pm
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ahmedmadani, you have all the right to express yourself but Pakistanis have enough of this madrassa mentality. You don`t seem or sound very brilliant.
ahmedmadani, you have all the right to express yourself but Pakistanis have enough of this madrassa mentality. You don`t seem or sound very brilliant.
#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 9, 2005 2:20:22 pm
I am for equality. This bad thing was promoted by General amoung many good things he has and been doing.
IT IS TOTAL AGAIST SPIRIT OF DEMOCRACY THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME STUPID DEGREE PAPER YOU CANOT STAND AGAINST ELECTION> IT IS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
SO I DO NOT MIND PEOPLE BUYING DEGREES. WHAT ONE CAN DO THEN YOU ARE TOLD TO BE STUPID AS YOU HAVE NO DEGREE PAPER. LET people have fake papers who cares.
Dam stupid lafangebazi by educated people and army election rulers and people like YLH ( IF i write they will say i am bised being without stupid degree paper)who are educated should send letters to HQ to stop stupidity. We have half educated people who are damn fools
IT IS TOTAL AGAIST SPIRIT OF DEMOCRACY THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME STUPID DEGREE PAPER YOU CANOT STAND AGAINST ELECTION> IT IS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
SO I DO NOT MIND PEOPLE BUYING DEGREES. WHAT ONE CAN DO THEN YOU ARE TOLD TO BE STUPID AS YOU HAVE NO DEGREE PAPER. LET people have fake papers who cares.
Dam stupid lafangebazi by educated people and army election rulers and people like YLH ( IF i write they will say i am bised being without stupid degree paper)who are educated should send letters to HQ to stop stupidity. We have half educated people who are damn fools
#1 Posted by friend on January 9, 2005 2:20:22 pm
Yes yes, I agree with all. Very clear. Very lucid.
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