Abrar Akbar February 1, 2005
#8 Posted by kardesh on February 9, 2005 3:54:18 pm
Mr. Akbar,
Thanks for reminding us. Have you heard of the Hindi expression ``Jiski Lathi Uski BheNs?``
Just like Chowk, Pakistan functions on the same principles of selective enforcement of laws, selective sense of justice, selective sense of outrage, and the good old SIFARISH system of who you know.
BTW, were the rapists and murderers of the little girls in Karachi ever tried?
Thanks for reminding us. Have you heard of the Hindi expression ``Jiski Lathi Uski BheNs?``
Just like Chowk, Pakistan functions on the same principles of selective enforcement of laws, selective sense of justice, selective sense of outrage, and the good old SIFARISH system of who you know.
BTW, were the rapists and murderers of the little girls in Karachi ever tried?
#7 Posted by Subedar on February 8, 2005 3:01:44 pm
Let me tell you people one un-biased truth.
It is rare rather extremely rare that crime of this magnitude is condoned in Pak army. Less still encouraged or pardoned.
It is totally impossible that an ordinary captian had been spared whatever the merit of case might be. I would rather claim that it is not probable that army would have taken that long to take on even an ordinary brigadier.
I bet this repugnant captian is a son of a senior general, presumably a serving one and son-in-law of yet another three to four-star officer.
And to save them the top command is putting the entire country on fire.
I would request all readers to find out exact bio-data of this captain and post it over here. It would be a true jihad fi sabillah.
Anyone who knows something about him must come forward and share with the nation.
Thanks
#6 Posted by malik.m.imran on February 5, 2005 1:02:16 am
Pakistani friends, please, dont miss this article in Urdu written by the most-read columnist in Pakistan.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2005-daily/04-02-2005/editorial/col1.htm
See, for yourself the state of affairs in our country.
Then, in case Urdu is wrong medium to put across the humble viewpoints. Lets go back to the English and to the views one of our senior most reporting journalists Nusrat Javeed
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2005-daily/04-02-2005/main/main9.htm
In all humility, one would beg Madame Saeed to appreciate that rape is the most horrible crime. It surely turns more unbearable; if instead of instantly catching the perpetrators of this crime, people with authority and influence appear trying to hush the whole thing up. Even an average newspaper reader in this country is now convinced that a rape did occur in Sui and some people with authority and influence tried to cover it up.
As an honourable woman, she should at least admit this side of a gory happening in Sui. If you cannot condemn it for whatever reason, do not try to act cool and magisterial about it for God`s sake. Her ire of a stern schoolteacher over the ``rowdy and violent (thus unpatriotic) reaction`` to a rape might please some of our praetorian masters.
Was the FIR appropriately registered and people named in it nabbed?
The local police claim that it did everything that was required under the circumstances, but some people with extra influence and authority hampered their chase of the real perpetrators of the crime. That was the most perfect time for asserting the ``provincial authority,`` one would rather say the ``responsibility``, by the concerned chief minister and his bearded coalition partners.
There is another dimension to the reality or allegations of the rape in Sui. Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti is repeatedly naming a person for allegedly committing the said rape. Instead of proving his innocence through the due process of law, the said person pleaded for it while appearing on some TV networks. Should the matter end there? No. The Hudood Ordinance prescribes very harsh punishment for those, who ``falsely`` accuse a Muslim for adultery or a rape. ``Qaddaff`` is the legal term for it.
Now, if the person repeatedly accused by Nawab Akbar Bugti is really innocent, shouldn`t this arrogant Sardar be persecuted under the ``Qaddaff`` charges for maligning him? Our Maulanas want to enforce Islam ``from the banks of the river Nile to the soil of Kashghar.`` Why don`t they begin doing this from Balochistan, they rule in partnership with Jam Yousaf?
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2005-daily/04-02-2005/editorial/col1.htm
See, for yourself the state of affairs in our country.
Then, in case Urdu is wrong medium to put across the humble viewpoints. Lets go back to the English and to the views one of our senior most reporting journalists Nusrat Javeed
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2005-daily/04-02-2005/main/main9.htm
In all humility, one would beg Madame Saeed to appreciate that rape is the most horrible crime. It surely turns more unbearable; if instead of instantly catching the perpetrators of this crime, people with authority and influence appear trying to hush the whole thing up. Even an average newspaper reader in this country is now convinced that a rape did occur in Sui and some people with authority and influence tried to cover it up.
As an honourable woman, she should at least admit this side of a gory happening in Sui. If you cannot condemn it for whatever reason, do not try to act cool and magisterial about it for God`s sake. Her ire of a stern schoolteacher over the ``rowdy and violent (thus unpatriotic) reaction`` to a rape might please some of our praetorian masters.
Was the FIR appropriately registered and people named in it nabbed?
The local police claim that it did everything that was required under the circumstances, but some people with extra influence and authority hampered their chase of the real perpetrators of the crime. That was the most perfect time for asserting the ``provincial authority,`` one would rather say the ``responsibility``, by the concerned chief minister and his bearded coalition partners.
There is another dimension to the reality or allegations of the rape in Sui. Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti is repeatedly naming a person for allegedly committing the said rape. Instead of proving his innocence through the due process of law, the said person pleaded for it while appearing on some TV networks. Should the matter end there? No. The Hudood Ordinance prescribes very harsh punishment for those, who ``falsely`` accuse a Muslim for adultery or a rape. ``Qaddaff`` is the legal term for it.
Now, if the person repeatedly accused by Nawab Akbar Bugti is really innocent, shouldn`t this arrogant Sardar be persecuted under the ``Qaddaff`` charges for maligning him? Our Maulanas want to enforce Islam ``from the banks of the river Nile to the soil of Kashghar.`` Why don`t they begin doing this from Balochistan, they rule in partnership with Jam Yousaf?
#5 Posted by veeresh on February 2, 2005 8:32:34 pm
What do we expect?
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=63952
Pak govt report says over 180 Indians in its jails
RAUF KLASRA
Posted online: Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 0208 hours IST
ISLAMABAD, FEBRUARY 2: As many as 182 Indian prisoners, including five
women, have been languishing in Pakistani jails on `unknown charges` since
1971, with many suffering from loss of memory, an official report disclosed.
Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao will present the classified
report in the Senate on Wednesday. This is for the first time a Pakistani
government has officially recorded data of Indian prisoners, many of whom
entered mistakenly into its territory. A copy obtained by The News reveals
that out of 182 prisoners, 30 are Muslims and a few are Christians. Rest are
either Hindus or Sikhs.
The report is silent about whether the prisoners were ever produced before
any Pakistani courts and formally charge sheeted or not. An official said
the report suggests the detainees were never produced before any court. It
also fails to explain what charges were framed against the prisoners and the
arrangements were made with India to help their release. Similarly, the
report does not give details whether the government had any plan to release
them if it had no sound cases against them as a gesture of goodwill with
India. The report has also not given the names of jails where they have been
kept.
However, the report says the government had given Indian consular access to
50 Indian prisoners. The report is also silent about their place of birth,
which could have helped their relatives to identify them. A number of the
unfortunate prisoners, according to the sources in the ministry, have lost
their memory and are suffering from depression and psychiatric problems.
India had handed over a list of its 54 citizens believed to be in Pakistani
jails. The exchange of list was also made part of 98 confidence building
measures that India exchanged with Pakistan. The Pakistan government had tri
ed to find out information about those 54 Indians but could not do it.
The names and particulars of prisoners as recorded by the Pakistan Interior
Ministry
#4 Posted by darvesh on February 2, 2005 2:30:41 pm
For making a long discussion short I earnestly recommend an article in Urdu by Irshad Ahmad Haqqani from todays Jang.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2005-daily/02-02-2005/editorial/col7.htm
I am totally unable to understand that why the hell, army is putting everything on stake for this one stupid. He is being accused of this horrendous crime is a reason strong enough to kick him out.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2005-daily/02-02-2005/editorial/col7.htm
I am totally unable to understand that why the hell, army is putting everything on stake for this one stupid. He is being accused of this horrendous crime is a reason strong enough to kick him out.
#3 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on February 2, 2005 3:34:09 am
If we want to save Pakistan, we will have to destroy/annihilate the mafia which goes by the name of Pakistan Army.
#2 Posted by ssaleemi on February 2, 2005 12:29:45 am
Courts can`t take up army matters - GHQ
http://www.dawn.com/2005/02/02/nat17.htm
LAHORE, Feb 1: The General Headquarters on Tuesday deposed before the Lahore High Court that no matter related to armed forces personnel could be agitated before any law court.
In a reply in a writ petition which challenged the allotment of lands to senior army officers in Cholistan, the GHQ submitted that the high court was not competent to adjudicate the legal vires of the allotment.
Advocate M D Tahir challenged in 2002 the allotment of land to about 100 senior armed forces officers, including President Gen Pervez Musharraf and Governor Khalid Maqbool, who, the petitioner contended, were given land in Cholistan by the Punjab Board of Revenue at a price of Rs380 per acre.
The GHQ cited article 199 (3) (1) of the constitution which, the reply pleaded, gave immunity to members of armed forces in their actions and orders as part of their service matters.
The reply also questioned the locus standi of the petitioner-advocate and said that he had no bonafide to raise such questions because the law stipulated that only an aggrieved party could move the superior courts on infringement of its constitutional and legal right.
Justice Syed Zahid Husain directed the petitioner to submit his rejoinder within a month. The hearing of the writ petition was adjourned with date in office. Advocate M D Tahir moved the Lahore High Court in 2002 and Justice Anwarul Haq called for the reply from the Punjab Board of Revenue and the GHQ.
The Member (Colonies) PBOR, in his reply the same year, stated that the board allotted the land at a price of Rs1,000 an acre. The reply said that the BOR received a price for the land which was provided by the law and it had shown no discrimination in allotment of land to senior army officers.
The BOR reply also stated that senior army officers were allotted lands not only in Cholistan but many other areas across the province. It said that allotment of lands was a legal right of the members of armed forces as part of their service conditions.
A very pertinent question is what legal venues, non-violent means left for Pakistanis to get their grievances addressed?
Perhaps, BLA is a natural and inevitable outcome.
#1 Posted by kaurasach on February 1, 2005 1:42:21 pm
Good article; though i will disagree on one point.
The turkeys have been stolen for 2000 years in S Asia, the camels too, and the daughters raped for even longer.
People have gotten used to it. UNFORTUNATELY.
The turkeys have been stolen for 2000 years in S Asia, the camels too, and the daughters raped for even longer.
People have gotten used to it. UNFORTUNATELY.
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