Children of Dictatorship

I really don`t see any substance in this article-cum-comment. One can`t just grab a beaten line and make an opera out of it. This country is managing its self despite of all odds. Give the ``do`ers`` some respect.
Evil is everywhere, I confront it on regular basis.
We learn to live with it, because one cannot dispose it off. There is no such thing as classic utopia! Where there is love, justice & truth everywhere.
I read almost every article of yours.
You pen has an alternate mind! Just hold a while before letting it flow out

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Re: # 10

``Pakistani youth is very optimistic & they know what is their destination.`` ..

This is the classic pak response. No different from the recent pak expo 2005, pakistan is the best place to invest...great educated people blah blah all by the pakistanis them selves while the rest of the world declares that in 10 years pakistan will be a failed state, mushy is one among the worst ever dictators, pak troops have bribed the osama terrorists, gun ships are firing on pak nationals,,,,,.

Time to look at the reality. look at the crime in karachi, its links to the madrassas, its links to TNT and finally think of the time when those portraits have to be removed. There is no hope for pakistan with out denouncing TNT. It is an amoebic theory, it has given a mind set to the pakistanis that they have to keep looking for the other to eliminate. It was the hindus, then came the ahmadias, now i is the turn of the shias.

What the youth of pakistan needs is a total acceptance that TNT is a monster say it like what Atlaf Huassain has done.

post 35 thru 40........

interesting to see retired or close to retirement Pakistani males interacting like 4th graders.

but...first he needs to wash his face. it his his own foul smell that causes echosqueek to start echosqueeking (the scientific term for gibberish).

temporal #38 I am afraid abdul hate is beyond medics. ha! ha! maybe some electric shock treatments (like jay thakeray received).

abdul hate is frothing and babbling...very predicitible...call medics;)

Q:How do the mutts know that they are mutts?
A:Just as a munafique knows he is a munaafique--by responding on cue!


Oh how the cantonement mutts drool and yelp in an orgasmic frenzy when the master approaches, whip in hand, to torture and persecute muslims and non-muslims alike all over the world.

The mutt scampers in delight; the mutt`s arse pulsates & throbs in that orgasm reward.
``pUr baybay misses you too , my goraa saab``?

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Muslim Chaplain Slams Heavy-Handed US Tactics in Iraq

“We`ve never had any problem with women so we should not search and harass them,” said Hulwe.

CAIRO, February 13 (IslamOnline.net) – The only Muslim chaplain in the US army in Iraq has lambasted “unnecessarily heavy-handed tactics” against Iraqis, blaming the loss of many US lives on disrespect of the Muslim population.

“The better you act, the safer this area will be. If nothing else you`ll not give a reason for someone who is neutral to go and join the insurgents,” Captain Abdullah Hulwe, a Syrian-born Sunni, told The Telegraph Sunday, February13 , in his first full interview since he arrived in Iraq a year ago.

He cited several examples of unnecessary harassment and ill-treatment of Iraqis by fellow US soldiers.

“We`ve never had any problem with women so we should not search and harass them.”

Hulwe further added: “If a man is head of house you don`t let him lose face in front of his family. There is no need for swearing and hollering and frightening the children.”

Several residents in the Iraqi city of Ramadi have told IslamOnline.net that the unabated resistance in the western Baghdad city was a direct result of the barbarian practices of the US occupation forces.

“Imagine how an Iraqi man feels when he sees a foreigner touching his sister,” Qassem Hasnawi, a young Iraqi, once said describing the situation in Fallujah.

Act Like Guests

Hulwe, who joined the US Army as a mechanic, urged his fellow US army soldiers to act like true guests, regretting failure to shift from war-fighting mentality.

“If you`re saying you`re a guest you have to behave like a guest. There is no need to cuss people out.”

He also criticized another routine practice by the American troops.

“You don`t force people off the road when you are driving,” said the American army’s Muslim chaplain.

Hulwe, 42 , told the paper that he was struggling to “educate” soldiers to respect Muslims, admitting that US troops had made many mistakes and were only slowly learning how to put things right.

Indiscriminate Detentions

The Muslim chaplain was particularly furious about indiscriminate detention of Iraqis on a tip off from one person, who might well have a personal grudge to settle.

“Just because one source says this guy`s bad, we used to arrest a guy,” he regretted.

Hulwe said one of his most satisfying moments was being able to free a young man who had been wrongfully imprisoned by US forces.

“The Kurds had arrested him and got a confession saying he was a Saudi working for Al-Qaeda,” he recalled.

“In fact, it turned out he was an Iraqi and his father had been murdered by Saddam Hussein`s regime.”

Hulwe added that after checking paperwork supplied by the family he was able to convince military lawyers that the Iraqi should be freed.

After this incident he pressed for arrest procedures to be changed and accusations now need to be verified from “two different sources”.

Discrimination at Home

The US army chaplain lamented that his own family had been mistreated after the9 /11.

He said his hijab-donned wife was searched every time she entered the base in Texas where he was stationed.

“The soldier stopping her said he was only searching every15 th car,” Hulwe said.

“I said, `That`s baloney. Are you telling me my wife is unlucky every time?`”

A recent nation-wide poll, conducted by the Cornell University, showed that at least 44 percent of the Americans backs curbing Muslims’ civil rights and monitoring their places of worship.

A May 2004 report released by the US Senate Office Of Research concluded that Arab Americans and the Muslim community in the US have taken the brunt of the Patriot Act and other federal powers applied in the aftermath of the9 / 11attacks.

echosqueek aka chawal aka arab bootlicker: ja mooN dho. ha! ha!

Now why can`t the cantonement mutts, the AbdulAmreekaas--the munaafique & margarine `muslims` of Pakistan become dignified & honourable , abandon their slavish mindset and express their hate for U.S . Intelligent people acquire western knowledge to prepare themselves to bring down the satanic western system--NOT to become like them.

Know your enemy well, study him and plan & prepare to destroy that enemy intellectually & culturally ,some day, from inside.

Not like AbdulAmreekas, who bow their heads in gratitude and their arses in platitudes to their goraa-Saab.

`` O miray goray abba tooN kithhay vey; baybay taiNrooN yaad paee krdee aie``--lament of a cantonement colonised mutt.


Chavez Zindabad, Castro Zindabaad, Iran zindabad, Malaysia zindabad, North Korea Zindabad, Myanmaar zindabaad, Sudan Zindabad, Nigeria zindabad, Zimbabwe zindabad, People & mujahideen of Afghanistan Zindabad, Freedom-Fighters by ballot & bullets in Iraq Zindabaad, Chechen fighters--Moro Fighters--Thailand fighters--Banda Aceh fighters-- Bosnian fighters--Chiapaas fighters

Laa`nut on Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, Libya & any other Westernised natural progeny of the anglo-scum. The shame & embarrassment to Islam & muslims.

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Chavez: ``US is a terrorist state``

Sunday 13 February 2005, 14:37 Makka Time, 11:37 GMT

The Venezuelan president and the US are sworn enemies

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has branded the United States a terrorist state while rejecting Washington`s criticism of Caracas for its arms purchase from Russia.

Chavez, a fierce critic of US President George Bush and the US-led war in Iraq, on Saturday brushed aside US opposition to the agreement to buy 100,000 automatic rifles and about 40 military helicopters from Moscow.

``One has to ask whether there was transparency in the invasion of Iraq. The world knows President Bush lied openly about Iraq having chemical weapons,`` Chavez said.

``They keep on bombing cities, killing children, they have become a terrorist state,`` he said.

Tense ties

Venezuela, the world`s fifth largest oil exporter, is a key crude supplier to the US. But relations soured after Chavez came to power in 1999, vowing to fight poverty with a self-proclaimed revolution.

US officials have accused Chavez of allowing Marxist rebels from neighbouring Colombia to shelter in Venezuela and criticise his increasingly close relations with Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

Chavez, however, rejects the charges and has moved to strengthen Venezuela`s political and economic ties beyond Washington with states such as China, Russia and Iran.

soulkeeper: you write ``he petered out when push came to shove``.
So you get my drift :-) or more accurately, we both agree that musharaff has not done any ``Big Things``, and the positive accomplishments (e.g. the jump in economic growth rate to 6.5% and perhaps even 7% next year) could well have taken place under a civilian government.

To be fair to musharraf: there is one important example where he did what civilian governments had failed to do - namely replace the obsolete colonial style deputy commissioner with locally elected nazims. I know that both benazir and nawaz sharif had tried to do this (I read reports that were written under their governments proposing such reforms) but for some reason never implemented it.

I would urge you to reconsider your low opinion of your fellow Pakistani citizens. I have seen people around the world, and I believe Pakistanis are second to none when it comes to practical judgement, hard work, and big heartedness. They deserve and are capable of a much better form of government than the military has given them.

And this is not just me: back when Zia was ruling, there was an editorial in the Washington Post that argued that Pakistan was far too sophisticated a nation to be subject to military rule.

Also if things keep going the way they are, Musharraf’s legacy is not going to be any different than Zia’s.

RE:#31 by tahmed32 on February 13, 2005 8:48am PT


[What radical changes has Musharaff introduced in the past few years that he has been in power?? (Please dont ignore this question but try to answer it honestly).]


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Read the end of my interact#25, I will paste it for you here:

``...Musharraf had the right idea; only he petered out when push came to shove. Hence the present stagnant situation, which is not taking us anywhere.``

SoulKeeper #30 I am sorry but your argument that ``only army commands the position to make the radical changes that are required.`` is incorrect. What radical changes has Musharaff introduced in the past few years that he has been in power?? (Please dont ignore this question but try to answer it honestly).

In fact, Musharaff has been unable to even get rid of the hadood laws (which include the absurd requirement of there being 4 male witnesses to a rape) that Zia introduced. This is not just one isolated example: in order to alleviate international and domestic pressures to introduce democracy, Musharaff has followed the strategy of building up maulvis as the alternative and of cutting down mainstream parties by keeping their leaders in exile and tilting elections in favor of the maulvis.

While useful to preserving his power, he is sowing the seeds that the next generation of Pakistanis may well have to reap in the form of a civil war (at worst) or a fulfillment of the lifelong dream of the Indian chauvinists to see Pakistan declared a fundamentalist state.

In contrast: when in 1998 the BJP extremists tried to bully Pakistan with nuclear explosions - it was under the civilian government of Nawaz Sharif that Pakistan gave them a ``mooN tor`` response that silenced those thugs. Civilian governments can work - if the military supports them (as it is required to do) rather than trying to undercut them at every turn.

RE: #29 by tahmed32 on February 13, 2005 6:50am PT

It is funny that you completely missed the point.

My statement, “I am glad that you are catching my drift,” was supposed to be a sarcastic one and was not meant for you to take literally.

The reason I ignored your how-all-dictators-are-evil-comments is because at no point during this discussion I have condoned dictatorship as an end in itself; quite the contrary, I see it as a means to an end. A dictatorship with a purpose, shall I say, if such a thing exists?

The problem is currently only army commands the position to make the radical changes that are required.

Bitter Medicine.

SoulKeeper: You, my friend, have ignored the arguments I have presented in the last two posts, and make the convenient assertion that I agree with you. Does this mean you are one of those Pakistanis whom you would consider unfit for democracy?? Since, in your view, all citizens need to be capable of enlightened and objective discussion before the country is declared fit for democracy.