Nadeem F Paracha February 16, 2005
#17 Posted by vertex on February 17, 2005 12:52:51 pm
``How come I (the “non-believing Marxist/atheist/anarchist/etc),” was the ONLY one noting and asking this while my more believing (and “liberal”) contemporaries saw little in way of contradiction? ``
LOL, cause you`re an outsider. Contradiction is okay, and contradiction is good. It shows flexibility. It shows moderation. You by way of not seeing this are an extreamist.
More power to pakistanis. LOL, if you`re gonna have an orgy, the very least you can do is pray before it to even things out...a lil good may not cancel out a lil bad, but a lil good is good all by its lonesome.
LOL, cause you`re an outsider. Contradiction is okay, and contradiction is good. It shows flexibility. It shows moderation. You by way of not seeing this are an extreamist.
More power to pakistanis. LOL, if you`re gonna have an orgy, the very least you can do is pray before it to even things out...a lil good may not cancel out a lil bad, but a lil good is good all by its lonesome.
#18 Posted by Saira_K. on February 17, 2005 8:22:59 pm
I just don`t know why NFP is always so bother with religious people. If he says it is private matter then why is he making it such public issue out of it.
#19 Posted by baaghiraja on February 17, 2005 8:54:25 pm
When the push comes to shove, like a good, normal ``liberal`` I`ll trash my Mao cap and enter my name in this year`s ARY naat competation. Should do the trick.
rgds,
NfP
rgds,
NfP
#20 Posted by aquaris on February 18, 2005 3:10:21 am
Still living in the past....
The Last lot of Liberals merged with the USM .... and are now History.....
then They Murdered `` Shaukat Cheema `` he was allegedly fired upon from a Mosque......
Hussain Haqani started the process... remember the STC Hall .....!! and Mehmood Ghaznavi.... Consolodated it......
.... People Like you and Me still marvel at the unabashed Hypocrisy.....
you mentioned... STARTing everything with Recitation of Quran.....and then
get along with the Bussiness as usual......
But perhaps..... we have never been to Mosques during Ramzan Taraweehs....
thats catching On as a FAD these days.... They Now lecture on everything under
the sun.... and People Sit there........ Yes all those Modern looking , Liberal looking...
......the whole Nights.... after the Taraweehs.....and Listen.... and Listen Good....
.... Its all an evolving process.... and Maybe.... in a decade or so......we will understand...Why people Like... Junaid Jamshed, Najam Sheraz are .....? what they are Now....??
..... In the Mean time Happy Dreaming..... and Cursing as Usual.....Nothing New....from your Side so Far...!!!!
#21 Posted by paindupastry on February 18, 2005 9:42:39 am
FYI: The proper position is the missionary position. Please make a note of that!
#22 Posted by patwari on February 18, 2005 11:23:21 am
wasif2: Then I guess you must really really hate him? Beware NFP, a chowk man wants your head!!!!!!!!!!!
#23 Posted by KamranS on February 18, 2005 1:09:32 pm
NFP, you`re back, and you`re back with yet another fabulous article...
Yaar, I can relate to this article in more ways than you can imagine...I agree with you to the most part...I wonder sometimes how come you`re still alive in a country where Mullah`s and their ``cheelays`` are out to behead anyone with those ideas.
nonetheless, great article, keep writing and keep rocking my friend!
Yaar, I can relate to this article in more ways than you can imagine...I agree with you to the most part...I wonder sometimes how come you`re still alive in a country where Mullah`s and their ``cheelays`` are out to behead anyone with those ideas.
nonetheless, great article, keep writing and keep rocking my friend!
#24 Posted by Jahil on February 19, 2005 1:20:41 am
sitting back on the same chair where i was two days back, i read the whole article... applause!! great work and an impressive article based upon facts and things that should be criticized and brought to the lime light...
however, there were two things in the article which i would object to. NFK or any other asshole who calls himself a liberal or a marxist has no right whatsoever to pronounce a naat or “Nizam-e-Mustapha” as bloody or topsy-turvy. i 110% agree that the mullas, priests and religious extremists including the so called liberals, marxists and seculars (who have adopted these terms as fashion symbols and class distinctions) are wrong. NFK or anyone else has complete right to criticize personalities but being abusive towards religions and ideologies is not being liberal its being fundamentalist, being simply absurd. i think if NFK removes the words bloody and topsy-turvy from the article, it would reflect his intelligence rather than purporting his narrow thoughts which leave no difference between him and a third grade molvi.
well that was about the article, now NFK you being a proud marxist, liberal and an upright person would appreciate a fact that the downfall of communist party in the USSR following its disintegration (please note that i called it the down fall of the party and not the system) was based mainly on the gaps and holes the party leaders had provided to be exploited. and these were mainly based upon the same concept NFK has discussed in this article. The party leaders had become monarchs and the system was run on hypocrisy... the people of USSR were made to follow the idealistic theory of communism while the rulers and party leaders were enjoying the most dignified privileges that none else could have dreamt of.. there was a separate lane on every road for the party cars and there was no freedom whatsoever in any manner in the country.. the discussion would go on and i`m not here to write an article.
All that i would like to say is that constructive criticism is good and is badly needed to bring awareness.. but none of the bloody NFKs or stuff like that have the right to be abusive or critical about the religious emotions of the people. u may write against personalities of the day but should not play with the ideologies and feelings of the people.. no matter they r Muslims, Christians or whatever there religion or ideology may be.
i keep my fingers crossed to see NFKs next article about the reasons of downfall of the USSR and now for heavens sake don`t put all the blame of America like a stinking Mulla as America just exploited the loopholes your party leaders had provided them.
however, there were two things in the article which i would object to. NFK or any other asshole who calls himself a liberal or a marxist has no right whatsoever to pronounce a naat or “Nizam-e-Mustapha” as bloody or topsy-turvy. i 110% agree that the mullas, priests and religious extremists including the so called liberals, marxists and seculars (who have adopted these terms as fashion symbols and class distinctions) are wrong. NFK or anyone else has complete right to criticize personalities but being abusive towards religions and ideologies is not being liberal its being fundamentalist, being simply absurd. i think if NFK removes the words bloody and topsy-turvy from the article, it would reflect his intelligence rather than purporting his narrow thoughts which leave no difference between him and a third grade molvi.
well that was about the article, now NFK you being a proud marxist, liberal and an upright person would appreciate a fact that the downfall of communist party in the USSR following its disintegration (please note that i called it the down fall of the party and not the system) was based mainly on the gaps and holes the party leaders had provided to be exploited. and these were mainly based upon the same concept NFK has discussed in this article. The party leaders had become monarchs and the system was run on hypocrisy... the people of USSR were made to follow the idealistic theory of communism while the rulers and party leaders were enjoying the most dignified privileges that none else could have dreamt of.. there was a separate lane on every road for the party cars and there was no freedom whatsoever in any manner in the country.. the discussion would go on and i`m not here to write an article.
All that i would like to say is that constructive criticism is good and is badly needed to bring awareness.. but none of the bloody NFKs or stuff like that have the right to be abusive or critical about the religious emotions of the people. u may write against personalities of the day but should not play with the ideologies and feelings of the people.. no matter they r Muslims, Christians or whatever there religion or ideology may be.
i keep my fingers crossed to see NFKs next article about the reasons of downfall of the USSR and now for heavens sake don`t put all the blame of America like a stinking Mulla as America just exploited the loopholes your party leaders had provided them.
#25 Posted by teshah on February 19, 2005 4:41:14 pm
Re: # 8
Is there any definition of of blasphemy in law? Is there any basis for the law in sharia? As far as I know there is no basis for a common law in sharia in this respect. There is only a lynch law which allows you complete discretion to lynch any body by judging him a blasphemer-vide hadees given below:-
Sunnan Abudaud
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
A
Is there any definition of of blasphemy in law? Is there any basis for the law in sharia? As far as I know there is no basis for a common law in sharia in this respect. There is only a lynch law which allows you complete discretion to lynch any body by judging him a blasphemer-vide hadees given below:-
Sunnan Abudaud
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
A
#26 Posted by shockthemonk on February 20, 2005 9:26:28 am
This is so very dramatic. I thought the article was dising people both the mullahs and the so called libs who are making a mockery out of religious rituals. Where did this blasphemy thing come up?
#27 Posted by teshah on February 28, 2005 3:47:44 pm
Re: # 26
Blasphemy does come in when you begin to think rationally in a society which is based on rank obscurantism. The worst example of it is the Pakland where even a black stone is treated to be divine.
Blasphemy does come in when you begin to think rationally in a society which is based on rank obscurantism. The worst example of it is the Pakland where even a black stone is treated to be divine.
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