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Dude, Where’s My Reference Point?

Samina Shahidi February 18, 2005

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#23 Posted by Ansari on February 19, 2005 4:45:21 am
Samina,

Yup, great review but did the movie really deserve it?

Aamir
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#22 Posted by subroto on February 19, 2005 4:37:30 am
Samina awesome film review.
Er, just one question, is it worth viewing?
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#21 Posted by Saminasha on February 19, 2005 4:12:33 am
Hush,

Everything is a text with a symbology, subtext, set of reference points... Including that cereal box you stare at in the morning.

thanks!

-S
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#20 Posted by Saminasha on February 19, 2005 3:53:24 am
Ali,

Er...thanks!

Bina,

The Cheetah scene was hilarious-and another de rigeur buddy/frat movie device, where the two protagonists are so allied, so close, that their intimacy is almost frightening to them-het anxiety for boys trying to gain experience. So it gets joked about in a way that throws them together in a way eerily reminiscent of Melville`s Ishmael and Queequeg in Moby Dick.

Cheetah-more Asian exoticism...

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#27 Posted by Bina_Shah on February 19, 2005 9:39:43 am
Re: # 20

Samina,

Someone told me the cheetah in the jungle thing has something to do with indian mythology. That`s what I was asking about. But thanks for the theory anyway!!

Yes, the movie is worth watching, if just for the scene where Neil Patrick Harris goes by in the limo doing lines off the stripper`s thigh.

Hilarious!
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#19 Posted by ali_1 on February 18, 2005 9:57:02 pm
samina, very well written. impressive indeed.... please contribute more to chowk.com

......a digression here..... do you, like me, feel like kicking the khudai faujdar hard in the nuts.....

lve and rgds

Grand Ayatolla Pisstani
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#18 Posted by Bina_Shah on February 18, 2005 8:26:53 pm
Can anyone explain the cheetah in the jungle thing to me?
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#17 Posted by temporal on February 18, 2005 7:19:20 pm
sameer:

...this essay is very well composed with a shade of temporalism in challenging the readers to pay more attention than usual while reading...

yara kyuN badnaam ko aur .......;)

sammi:

...carry on...prove the to the (alleged and self confessed) proud mensa members wrong;)

rgds and lve

t

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#16 Posted by Saminasha on February 18, 2005 7:10:00 pm
Arjun, Fuzair,

Dude...its just a movie review...chillax...

Dotty, Sameer, Bharat,

Thanks for your comments.

Sameer,

I was pissed off...but in an understated, getting the joke way....

Dotty, Bharat,

There are a lot of good pieces on Chowk on a daily basis. I`m happy to finally contribute something.


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#15 Posted by fuzair on February 18, 2005 4:54:31 pm
I think this `review` tells us more about you than the movie. Sometimes, as Freud said, ;-), a cigar is just a smoke. So, chill out, take a deep drag or six, take the chip off your shoulder, forget that the AntiChrist is President of the US, womyn and sexo-ethnic minorities are being oppressed everywher and just enjoy the damn movie. For me, I can`t wait for the sequel!

Harold and Kumar go to Amsterdam!
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#14 Posted by bharatvaasi on February 18, 2005 3:02:23 pm
I havent seen the movie, after reading this piece I am looking forward to seeing it. After a long time there has been a decent read on chowk. But I dont see the boquets nor do I see the brickbats. Maybe its time to visit UP.

Thanks for the write up though. I am still waiting for your opinion on the stuff I asked you about.
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#13 Posted by Dash_Dot on February 18, 2005 2:40:27 pm
usual typos in 11

``Infact you could get people to kae holidays to see racism at work``
should read

Infact you could get people to take holidays in NYC or the deep south to see racism at work.

again

``makes out to be a little frog in the well at best at worst a psuedo-intellectual raging against strawmen.``

should be ``makes you out...``
and ``cold`` should be could....


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#12 Posted by ~sameer~ on February 18, 2005 2:39:23 pm

Samina:

Those who have seen the movie would enjoy reading it more than me since I have not seen it yet. This is an essay or in Arabic, Tafseer al-Harold and Kumar go to White Castle and certainly much more than a review about a movie. Readers should not read it as a review at all.

What else can I say? The essay reveals broad and in-depth understanding of racism in multiculture environment through the experiences of two characters and streotypes. What is missing is disapproval and strong challenge to such racism in the essay which is more frequently observed everywhere and everyday than racism. Nonetheless, this essay is very well composed with a shade of temporalism in challenging the readers to pay more attention than usual while reading, in order to grasp the flow of thoughts. well, if the topic requires convincing and/ or converting, getting extra attention certainly helps. In casual reading for entertainment it works just the opposite. One starts skipping sentences just to get over it as I used to do during quran khawanis and always appreciated for reading more siparas than the rest in the same time because I would skipp more than half of it without making it look like skipping whole page...

Anyway, good to see you writing for the front page.
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#11 Posted by Dash_Dot on February 18, 2005 2:34:25 pm
A good article saminasha a pretty decent effort. Sure there are the usual targets, you set them up but there is really nothing to surprise us. Any new insight in there is lost in all the verbiage. For example

There are so many scenes like this, you begin to suspect that Harold and Kumar is less a film about racism and more about regenerating our own Asian American prejudices.

Now if you really want to see racism and its impact on people why go to a movie. You should be able to see it where you are. Infact you could get people to kae holidays to see racism at work. Forget it not in this kind of movie. Pompous verbosity is a waste here, similarly your cry

Hence we are left with less than noble choices: is Harold and Kumar standing up for all affluent Asians? Not quite-if you are Muslim, an Asian woman or progressive, you’ve been left out of Brotherhood Nexus of Kindly Weed.

is pretty weak and makes out to be a little frog in the well at best at worst a psuedo-intellectual raging against strawmen.

You cold have really done betteer to have tackled the other movie Bride and Bodice with Ash Rai in it. Now that is one movie which would deserve your laser sharp wit.
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#10 Posted by hush on February 18, 2005 2:26:44 pm
Dude, Where’s My Reference Point?

Dude, in the fact that sometimes entertainment should be taken as pure entertainment. Yes, it is possible that a movie doesn`t have any underlying meanings, pointy fingures, or social issues! I guess this one qualifies for that!

besides that, good writing!
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#9 Posted by Donnestag on February 18, 2005 2:18:34 pm
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