The Ultimate Violation

doublec:

in addition to the information that ijaz has given you, there is also a report in the pakistan christian post of a 55-year old woman, Hanifan bibi who was ``abducted, stripped, and tortured. .`` in front of her husband and sons and it goes so far as to show the marks on Hanifan bibi`s body.

ijaz, i`m not sure what you mean by ``but in this case, the stakes are high. .`` not that i don`t understand english, but shouldn`t the stakes be high every time a woman is raped? or is it because of the army involvement that you say this. it is a high-profile case yes, but i should think that we should get to the root of the matter with every rape. the sad fact is that with poor women, cases of rape are largely ignored.

doublec: i think i understand what you`re trying to say. . . but it does sound rather condescending even if that isn`t how you intended it. dr. shazia has been through a horrible, painful life-altering ordeal, but suggesting that she be treated like a delicate object comes across as rather patronizing, no? rape victims and their families ``deal`` with the painful reality of what has happened in various ways, and rather than suggesting how she should be treated, and what should be done for her, we can only hope, and wish and pray that she heals, along with her family, and that justice is served. . .

Re: # 20

Hi Ahmad midani,

I am disappointed, how a simple proding has brought out the real pakistani in you. If I remeber correctly, Ramanujam died young, may be around 32, he did not get any nobel prize. The case of dalits is well known, and recognised in the constutution, and there are reserved jobs and educational places for them. These were not there in the british india.
Take the case of pakistan. Ahmadias had no legislated disadvantages, after the creation of pakistan, every applicant to a passport has to declare that the riligious guro of ahmadias is a imposter. It is rather pathetic that you chose to compare ramanujam to abdul salam, and compare dalits to ahmadias.

Take it from me ahmad madani, what I am talking about is not individual prejudices, I am talking about is procedures and regulations, approved and up held by the pak legal system and the supreme sharia court. Do something ahmad, tell me why no one dares to celebrate abdus salam acheivement. The question is are you ready. Will you write a post stating that it is to honour abdus salam, and let me asuure you, you will stoned to death.

doublec #34
She will never be the same person again and things will change. (Things should never be the same after such gross violation).
What is the basis of such condescending pity?No sir, she will live and she will be fine, if society will do away with such grand ideas of ``gross violation`` etc. The rape will be repeated again and again all her life,by everybody who pities her like that.In a society with such ideas,it is better that she moves somewhere else.

Doublec,
Here are some links.

http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/miseries.htm

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In March 2000, 12 men broke into the Lourdes Convent and attacked Sister Christine, a 78-year old nun; she died in a nearby hospital a few days later. According to the Christian Liberation Front (CLF), a nongovernmental organization (NGO), the perpetrators of the attack were Muslims who previously had accused Sister Christine of proselytizing. Police officials did not arrest anyone in connection with this attack. In May 2000, five masked men stopped a factory bus of female factory employees in Ferozewala and raped six to eight Christian girls who were passengers; the assailants reportedly spared the two Muslim passengers on the bus. Initially, police officials urged the girls to report that were robbed, not raped; however, when the CLF complained to government officials, the officials immediately registered the cases as rape cases, arrested two suspects, and promised to investigate police behavior. Three of the suspects were charged under the Hudood Ordinances and are scheduled to stand trial in September 2000.

http://www.thepersecution.org/ussd/us00irf.html

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PERSECUTION WATCH: Pakistan
Eight Christian women gang-raped by a group of Muslims have expressed their horror at the end of a trial that saw the men they had accused walk free. Three men were acquitted and three others who were found guilty will be free soon because the time they have spent in custody since the May 2000 assaults meets the two-year sentences they received. The victims, aged 16 to 35, wept when the verdicts were read, said International Christian Concern (ICC). `We were all shocked at the outcome of this controversial case and the token decision of the judge that clearly favored the rapists, while giving no concern for the victims,` said a lawyer for one of the women. `We think this is the height of anti-Christian bias.` The men had been accused of raping the women as they returned to their homes after finishing work at a clothing factory, ICC said. The women told how they were raped after their attackers ordered Muslim women passengers to stay in the vehicle. Despite statements from a few witnesses -- including police -- that favored the women, the court sided with the defendants due to influence and pressure from Muslim supporters, ICC said. During the hearings in the last two years, threats were frequently made against the women and their families. They were `very depressed, and feel unsafe and insecure,` ICC said. `They fear that the perpetrators may seek revenge and make good on threats.`

http://www.vineyardfederalway.org/pages/missions/persecution/html/Pakistan.htm

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I Hope this is enough

Cheerios

Re: # 32

Why extoll this attachment to the mother-land in a politically oriented fasion. I love my `watan`, the country of my birth `Janam bhoomi` as I love and respect my father and my mother by whatever name it is called. I cosider it sometimes my weakness as I felt homesick even in a city like London and came back to my `SohnrhaN des Punjab`.

I googled her story, didn`t come across the reason for the attack. Her grandfather in law wanted her killed as a Kari. But, her husband is standing by her.

I salute this woman. She had the courage to speak out and that was good. I hope she gets justice.

Her husband would need all the courage he can muster if he wants to see his wife get better. She will never be the same person again and things will change. (Things should never be the same after such gross violation). Depression will set in and it will be difficult to get out.

The Dr. will be broken from within. Only a caring family group, will be able to pull the Dr. out of this deep depression she will find herself, in the coming months. I hope the husband has the sense to get professional help for his wife......because trust me these will be trying times for their family. Not only should he seek professional help for his wife but even himself and their children (if they have any).

The Dr. needs to be treated like a delicate object (I use the term object for lack of words) because a wrong move can trigger her button and will end in her taking her life.

Am i angry at what happened to her..... you bet i am..... do i care if the dog who did it gets caught - no......

All i care for now is for someone to realize the up hill battle they have on their hands to make sure that the Dr. feels better again. This can take years to heal but a lot of care, support and love is required. May God help her.


Ijaz Gul,

You wrote about two incidents with Christian girls. Where (on the web) can i find such information?

Thanks

Re: # 20

``I have never seen article about most interesting mathematician from India Mr Ram Nu Jan anywhere in india on his birthday or memoral day( was he dalit or what? I do not know). ``

He wasn`t a Dalit. Here is a link http://www.imsc.ernet.in/~rao/ramanujan

Dear brother ijaz gul, I really cannot express my respect and love for your patriotism.
Despite many idiocies we Pakistanis intentionally or unknowingly commit against our non-Muslim brethren your attachment with the motherland is commendable.
I salute your greatness (at least in this sense).

Can someone tell me WHY she was targeted? Was it due to her sympathy for a particular cause?

digression:

only by not sweeping them under the rug can those who are perturbed can do something indirectly or help those who are doing something about it directly...every drop, every note, every word helps in the struggle to right wrongs...rape is wrong, intolerance is wrong, separate justice...one set for the rich one for the poor is wrong...discrimination based on religion, gender, conviction is wrong...gawd, the list is long...

MORE HERE if you care

thanks emthree1 for the link:

ijaz:

more point to ponder:

Speaking publicly for the first time since the rape, Dr Shazia told the Guardian that officials from Pakistan Petroleum (PPL), which runs the plant, at first drugged her to cover up the case.

``Before the police came to take a statement, the [company`s] chief medical officer said: `Don`t give them any information.` Then they injected me with a tranquilliser that made me drowsy,`` she said.

Meanwhile Baluch police have re-interviewed Dr Shazia - this time insinuating she was engaged in prostitution.

``They asked me where I got the 25,000 rupees [£225] that was stolen and when I wore my jewellery. And they said that a cleaner had found used condoms in my room,`` she said.

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