The Ultimate Violation

I do wonder if insted of declaring dr shazia as ``Kari`` these Jirgas should proclaim death sentence on themselves as it was becasue of their weakness a woman was raped.
She is not the one dishonored they are, tell those dishonorable men to go kill themselves to restore their honor. Why should the victim be killed ?
If you being the supreme MEN cannot protect the women it is time you die with shame.

As far as i am concerned,
victims are honorable and innocent.

Re: # 3

``that i would not disagree with, most pakistani`s are uneducated and unknowing of the basic tenants of Islam and are more inclined towards following the mullah`s and maulvi`s``
What are basic tenants of Islam in your opinion, especially with regard to human rights? Woman is treated in Islam as a sub-human creature , a tilth (kheti)to be used by men as they desired and beaten up when suspected to be rebellious(See verse 34 of SURA Nisa). The rape was institutionalized in the form of slavery in pre-Islamic Arab society and this practice continued even after the advent of Islam. In fact Islam did not change any institution prevalent in the tribal ummi Arab society. The religion was meant actually for the ummy Arabs who are supposed to have best knowledge of it. What has education to do with this, may it be in Madrissa or school. It is all Jahlia indoctrination, Inshallah, Mashaallh.

As for Hadood laws they were imposed by a userper Zia only as a political stunt of his scheme of `Islamizaion`. These continued side by side the common law. The Hadood in Quranic law about adultry requires four witnesses to be produced who had seen the act performed pornographically and if the accuser is able to bring only one less he is to be charged of `Qazaf`, awarded 80 lashes and disqualfied for ever as a witness. But in this `Inshaallah, Mashaallah` culture common law (Tahzir)comes handy to change the track altogether when the Quran says those who do not judge by the laws of Allah are Fasiq, Fajir and what not.

So under the Quranic Hadood Dr. Shazia may herself be accused of adultry if she cannot produce four witnesses of the standard required.

Beena, that was a dose of reality as to what is happening with dr shazia,

I am really sorry for dr Shazia and I sincerely wish she gets justice.
I am angry at the current social climate of Pakistan and ashamed at how women are treated in our country.
I am also frustrated because I dont understand, what will it take for us as a nation to change the attitude towards women.
I believe the hudood ordinance should be abolished and new criminal laws imposed to protect women in our country.
How long do we have to suffer??????

jay thackeray:

google ``beena sarwar`` to find out what she has written in the past fifteen years or more before you make a public four legged animal of scorn out of yourself...again;)

just some neighbourly advice

warm regards

t

Beena Sarwar
After such a long time ,I am reading a really thought provoking and humanly sensitive article.Dr.Shazia is not the only one in that Islamic Republic of Pakistan.God,knows how many of our Muslim sisters in urban and rural areas are being rapped by Muslim men.In our Islamic Pak.society people hide all kind of garbage under their beds.They only throw their household garbage outside on the streets,b/c no one will recognise who`s garbage is on the streets???All Pak.`s streets are full of stinky filth.Muslim people feel no shame in spreading their garbage openly.Yes,they will pride in hiding RAPES of their own MUSLIM daughters,sisters,mothers and wives.Well,that is their pride,first to rape muslim women,then hide that rape in graves to have their MUSLIM PRIDE........

``most pakistanis, including the educated like you, beleive that hoodood is consistant with islam``

No sir, you are wrong there, the educated have always been against the Hudood laws but they have never done anything about it and thats another matter and even more of the uneducated ones are beginning to realize the fallacies of these laws

``most pakistranis beleive in extreme religious views``
that i would not disagree with, most pakistani`s are uneducated and unknowing of the basic tenants of Islam and are more inclined towards following the mullah`s and maulvi`s

Once again what this article shows is the refusal of the educated pakistanis to look at the fundamental issue behind the honour killings,and rapes which are on the increase. The reason is simple Beena, it is the hoodood ordinance. Take it from me, accept the relity that it has got nothing to do with Zia. 25 years after Zia, after military rule. elected rule by a woman, and then by Nawaz sherif, the hoodood has survived. Musheraf with all his talk of moderate islam, he did not change hoodood. The reason is simple, most pakistanis, including the educated like you, beleive that hoodood is consistant with islam, similar laws are in saudi arabia, and hence you support it.

Beena, the educated like you, as seen in this article, like to portray the rape as an isolated incident, shed tears, but refuse to accept the fundamental reason, the wider acceptance of the legal frame work that supports it, by most of the pakistanis.

Beena, take it from me, most pakistranis beleive in extreme religious views, the sustanence of hoodood and blasphemy laws are proof of this. Beena, the day you dare to arite about the evils of hoodod, and look at rape and killings as an outcome of this, there is future for pakistan.

thank you beena for this write up...the skeptic in me says `go on yell, nothing will change`...but the other me beckons me to go on `yelling`...every drop in the bucket helps...every effort to keep the issue in the limelight helps...

....would appreciate if you take time to read the link and sign the petition pleaseANAA