The Ultimate Violation
Beena Sarwar February 20, 2005
#64 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 25, 2005 9:47:25 am
Re: # 39
I am sorry for you being disappointed.
I do not know much about physics or about scientist. He was polygomist and had twin wifes and that is affront to womenfolks even though by tradition it is accepted. Also to write a story one needs drama ( example Jinnah did not make money but gandhi movie made as there is drama in life of Mr. Gandhi so movie became interesting). There is no much drama in scientists life. Now some women say it is good and desirable(polygomy) and its allowed by book. You can not say any thing it is question in religious field and parameter are fixed. You can heat hit head on stone only you will be dead.
The system may be good, or bad but system exist due to conditions may be even optimum sme times. In pakistan there are topics which are not permitted ( not by law) by ethos of people.
Frontier post( In Peshawar) and business weekly( Karachi) burnt to ashes by ``people``.
Frontier post made mistake of printing some jew man`s letter. Even recently Jang ( a paper which tows General head quarter line and people like Mazari and other lady hawks regularly published) was attacked in Karachi as they published interview or some jew israli labor leader. You sit in safety and in cosy atmosphere in India and advice me to hit head on rock hoping rock will break.
You can advice you commy govt of bengalis to follow highcourts decision ant stop loud speakers, you commi paper bengali tigers have not dared still. Here things are difficult than you think. You can not challenging the book. ``there is no god but allah and Muhammad is last messenger `` should tell you some thing. In islam there everything emcompasses by traditions its watertight.Little thing can you make blasphamous and unbelieveable retribution.
My suggestion ( can not advise you are much intelligent, successful ) is please do not try to shephard sheeps sitting on Camel. IT has not worked. With best wishes to all.... Ahmed madani
I am sorry for you being disappointed.
I do not know much about physics or about scientist. He was polygomist and had twin wifes and that is affront to womenfolks even though by tradition it is accepted. Also to write a story one needs drama ( example Jinnah did not make money but gandhi movie made as there is drama in life of Mr. Gandhi so movie became interesting). There is no much drama in scientists life. Now some women say it is good and desirable(polygomy) and its allowed by book. You can not say any thing it is question in religious field and parameter are fixed. You can heat hit head on stone only you will be dead.
The system may be good, or bad but system exist due to conditions may be even optimum sme times. In pakistan there are topics which are not permitted ( not by law) by ethos of people.
Frontier post( In Peshawar) and business weekly( Karachi) burnt to ashes by ``people``.
Frontier post made mistake of printing some jew man`s letter. Even recently Jang ( a paper which tows General head quarter line and people like Mazari and other lady hawks regularly published) was attacked in Karachi as they published interview or some jew israli labor leader. You sit in safety and in cosy atmosphere in India and advice me to hit head on rock hoping rock will break.
You can advice you commy govt of bengalis to follow highcourts decision ant stop loud speakers, you commi paper bengali tigers have not dared still. Here things are difficult than you think. You can not challenging the book. ``there is no god but allah and Muhammad is last messenger `` should tell you some thing. In islam there everything emcompasses by traditions its watertight.Little thing can you make blasphamous and unbelieveable retribution.
My suggestion ( can not advise you are much intelligent, successful ) is please do not try to shephard sheeps sitting on Camel. IT has not worked. With best wishes to all.... Ahmed madani
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#63 Posted by ana on February 25, 2005 9:36:28 am
rahul #61.
i don`t know quite how to explain the reason, but i will make an attempt.
i have known men who have broken someone`s bones in anger. i know a man who may have caused even more physical and psychological harm to his daughter in beating her right afterwards an accident, than the broken bones caused in that accident. i know of what happened to my cousin and the bruising and scars when someone on a motorbike pulled at her dupatta and dragged her on the ground.
when someone breaks a person`s bones, it is a violation. there is no doubt about that. bones don`t heal easily. and bones obviously are integral parts of your body, but have you ever heard your finger or your leg referred to as your private part? is a man breaking a woman`s jaw, referred to destroying her private parts? perhaps they should.
for me, as for many whom i know, penetration goes beyond the violation of breaking bones. our private parts, aside from being called our izzat and whatnot when violated, is a deeper violation, a violation of our inner depths, our heart and soul, our mind, our psyche, our sense of security, remnants of trust we have left. and yes there are those of us who are stronger, those who say that he penetrated me, but he did not touch my heart or my soul. but there are those for whom it takes longer to recover. . . well-known women like connie francis and theresa saldana who have been afraid to leave their houses, and we know so little about about how certain women deal with rape, like those who don`t have the means, and don`t feel they have a voice. it`s really all well and good for those of us who sit here with laptops and computers to say that everyone should raise their voices, but then when have some of us made it possible for women to raise their voices? there are so many cases which are not high-profile and are ignored, some for the reasons you give, some for others.
i don`t know if i`ve answered your question, and i don`t expect you to agree with what i have to say. in my personal experience, i`ve been hit again and again, to where it feels like something has broken, and i`ve been in a situation where in my helplessness and fear, i`ve curled up in a ball and wanted to die. . . and i can tell you from those experiences that it is definitely not the same. and no precise explanation or reason can be given for that. :)
i don`t know quite how to explain the reason, but i will make an attempt.
i have known men who have broken someone`s bones in anger. i know a man who may have caused even more physical and psychological harm to his daughter in beating her right afterwards an accident, than the broken bones caused in that accident. i know of what happened to my cousin and the bruising and scars when someone on a motorbike pulled at her dupatta and dragged her on the ground.
when someone breaks a person`s bones, it is a violation. there is no doubt about that. bones don`t heal easily. and bones obviously are integral parts of your body, but have you ever heard your finger or your leg referred to as your private part? is a man breaking a woman`s jaw, referred to destroying her private parts? perhaps they should.
for me, as for many whom i know, penetration goes beyond the violation of breaking bones. our private parts, aside from being called our izzat and whatnot when violated, is a deeper violation, a violation of our inner depths, our heart and soul, our mind, our psyche, our sense of security, remnants of trust we have left. and yes there are those of us who are stronger, those who say that he penetrated me, but he did not touch my heart or my soul. but there are those for whom it takes longer to recover. . . well-known women like connie francis and theresa saldana who have been afraid to leave their houses, and we know so little about about how certain women deal with rape, like those who don`t have the means, and don`t feel they have a voice. it`s really all well and good for those of us who sit here with laptops and computers to say that everyone should raise their voices, but then when have some of us made it possible for women to raise their voices? there are so many cases which are not high-profile and are ignored, some for the reasons you give, some for others.
i don`t know if i`ve answered your question, and i don`t expect you to agree with what i have to say. in my personal experience, i`ve been hit again and again, to where it feels like something has broken, and i`ve been in a situation where in my helplessness and fear, i`ve curled up in a ball and wanted to die. . . and i can tell you from those experiences that it is definitely not the same. and no precise explanation or reason can be given for that. :)
#62 Posted by rahul_capri on February 25, 2005 5:39:19 am
p.s. to #61 ana, I am actually not disagreeing with you, just want to ask the reason.
#61 Posted by rahul_capri on February 25, 2005 5:27:01 am
ana, I did not mean breaking a bone by accident.Let it be breaking a bone by somebody else .
you can`t really compare penetration by force to breaking a bone in your body, can you?
Why not?
you can`t really compare penetration by force to breaking a bone in your body, can you?
Why not?
#60 Posted by ana on February 24, 2005 9:36:59 pm
teshah sahib,
there is more than one real crime here. rape is no less a crime than the bastards who are covering up the crime. . . regardless of whether it is to be investigated or not. and if there is a cover-up, the chances are less likely that it will be investigated. one more shame to add to the other shames. and they do pile up.
rahul:
what you are saying in part reminds me a bit of this ``masque`` this play written by john milton (of ``paradise lost`` fame) called ``comus``, where he has the woman being violated as being the stronger of everyone because even though she is violated, she keeps her `chastity` intact. of course in real life, it`s not easy to feel that way, especially with how much of society views rape as a loss of honor. but why isn`t rape so devastating? something is lost. someone is violated. you cannot exactly compare this to breaking a bone, especially if a bone is something that has broken in an accident. rape is no accident. it is a choice by someone to violate parts of someone that the one violated has protected.
speaking as someone who has broken a bone or two in her body, i`m not saying that`s devastating. . . and highly inconvenient. but bones heal as do certain outlooks. you can`t really compare penetration by force to breaking a bone in your body, can you?
there is more than one real crime here. rape is no less a crime than the bastards who are covering up the crime. . . regardless of whether it is to be investigated or not. and if there is a cover-up, the chances are less likely that it will be investigated. one more shame to add to the other shames. and they do pile up.
rahul:
what you are saying in part reminds me a bit of this ``masque`` this play written by john milton (of ``paradise lost`` fame) called ``comus``, where he has the woman being violated as being the stronger of everyone because even though she is violated, she keeps her `chastity` intact. of course in real life, it`s not easy to feel that way, especially with how much of society views rape as a loss of honor. but why isn`t rape so devastating? something is lost. someone is violated. you cannot exactly compare this to breaking a bone, especially if a bone is something that has broken in an accident. rape is no accident. it is a choice by someone to violate parts of someone that the one violated has protected.
speaking as someone who has broken a bone or two in her body, i`m not saying that`s devastating. . . and highly inconvenient. but bones heal as do certain outlooks. you can`t really compare penetration by force to breaking a bone in your body, can you?
#59 Posted by rahul_capri on February 24, 2005 5:48:08 pm
doublec #56
Are you saying that people don’t report sexual abuse because they get special treatment?
Yeah,exactly. Because rape is associated with ``izzat lutna ``,izzat par daag lagna`` , ``zindagi barbaad hona``, ``kisi ko munh dikhane ke kaabil na rahna``..etc. etc. I dont actually disagree with you when you say in #34 that Things will never be the same after such gross violation,except the semantics of ``gross violation``, but lets ask ourselves a question,why? Why is rape such a devastating experience for a woman? Why is it more devastating than breaking a bone? And I am not talikng about honour killing here.
There are stories in Indian history when Rajput queens opted for ``jauhar`` (suicide) when they were cornered by attackers because their ``honour`` was at stake. How does rape gets equated with foregoing of honour? I think it makes sense not to report a rape case in such a society.At least the ``izzat`` is secure, whether the rapist gets punished or not.
On another note, this discussion probably does not belong here, for one, with the current mindsets of our society, rape is really the most heinous crime and gross violation etc. and secondly, even without the idiotic concepts of izzat, the culprit should be punished, and thats what this discussion is about.
Are you saying that people don’t report sexual abuse because they get special treatment?
Yeah,exactly. Because rape is associated with ``izzat lutna ``,izzat par daag lagna`` , ``zindagi barbaad hona``, ``kisi ko munh dikhane ke kaabil na rahna``..etc. etc. I dont actually disagree with you when you say in #34 that Things will never be the same after such gross violation,except the semantics of ``gross violation``, but lets ask ourselves a question,why? Why is rape such a devastating experience for a woman? Why is it more devastating than breaking a bone? And I am not talikng about honour killing here.
There are stories in Indian history when Rajput queens opted for ``jauhar`` (suicide) when they were cornered by attackers because their ``honour`` was at stake. How does rape gets equated with foregoing of honour? I think it makes sense not to report a rape case in such a society.At least the ``izzat`` is secure, whether the rapist gets punished or not.
On another note, this discussion probably does not belong here, for one, with the current mindsets of our society, rape is really the most heinous crime and gross violation etc. and secondly, even without the idiotic concepts of izzat, the culprit should be punished, and thats what this discussion is about.
#58 Posted by teshah on February 24, 2005 4:04:56 pm
What the chowkies in general do not realise the real crime in this case, which is boiling the minds of the people, is not the rape itself which is yet to be investigated, but the cover up of an accused Hammad alleged to be the prime culprit, because he happened to be the `HOLY COW`. Now the COAS who is also Ex-officiao President has come out openly to defend him claiming that,``He knows Hammad is not guilty``. It is the ultimate folly, which is likely to add fuel to the fire.
#57 Posted by ana on February 24, 2005 11:02:21 am
doublec #56
yaar, i have read that post quite a few times, and if you read my very first response to it, you will see that i did note that i know you meant well. it just bothers me when even well-meaning folk refer to people, and women in particular as objects, even if it is for lack of words. i`m not talking about your attitude, but attitudes of more than a few who reflect this idea that women are objects are the attitudes which have harmed more than helped women, especially in our part of the world.
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on another note (or perhaps the same one): while i appreciate much of what beena has said here, we should be less concerned with improving our image abroad, and be more concerned with being able to live with ourselves and each other. in the face of the numerous injustices, if we cannot find a way to not just address, but work on eliminating these, including the stranglehold of the powers-that-be, ``progress`` will be more or less a joke. certain forces abroad really don`t give a damn about our image as long as they can get what they want from us. . . sad but true. it is we who have to live with our words, our actions, and the consequences of such. and the sad part is those who commit vile acts for their own gratification and glory and those who defend them are the least bit concerned about being able to live with themselves or those around them.
yaar, i have read that post quite a few times, and if you read my very first response to it, you will see that i did note that i know you meant well. it just bothers me when even well-meaning folk refer to people, and women in particular as objects, even if it is for lack of words. i`m not talking about your attitude, but attitudes of more than a few who reflect this idea that women are objects are the attitudes which have harmed more than helped women, especially in our part of the world.
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on another note (or perhaps the same one): while i appreciate much of what beena has said here, we should be less concerned with improving our image abroad, and be more concerned with being able to live with ourselves and each other. in the face of the numerous injustices, if we cannot find a way to not just address, but work on eliminating these, including the stranglehold of the powers-that-be, ``progress`` will be more or less a joke. certain forces abroad really don`t give a damn about our image as long as they can get what they want from us. . . sad but true. it is we who have to live with our words, our actions, and the consequences of such. and the sad part is those who commit vile acts for their own gratification and glory and those who defend them are the least bit concerned about being able to live with themselves or those around them.
#56 Posted by DoubleC on February 24, 2005 10:02:29 am
Rahul,
Are you saying that people don’t report sexual abuse because they get special treatment? If yes, then dude you don’t make sense.
Ana,
Ana…… Ana….. Ana……. Please go back and read my first post (#34)….. I wrote “ (I use the term object for lack of words)”. This does explain that I did not demean the doctor. I never intended to do it.
By me saying that she should be cared for as a delicate object…. Does not mean that I am feeling sorry for her. My post 34 was not what I felt for this person but more what I wish her husband and her close families do for her. Her husband seems like a nice person and I wish he stays besides her through the ordeal that she will have to go through.
Again I am not talking about feeling sorry for her but rather of the “support system” that has to be developed around her or as a matter of fact with every rape victim….. that can help them to come back to enjoy their lives.
Your comment on justice is correct….. it does help in putting a closure. However since this happened in Pakistan, I fear that justice will not be served and this can cause more pain for the doctor.
Are you saying that people don’t report sexual abuse because they get special treatment? If yes, then dude you don’t make sense.
Ana,
Ana…… Ana….. Ana……. Please go back and read my first post (#34)….. I wrote “ (I use the term object for lack of words)”. This does explain that I did not demean the doctor. I never intended to do it.
By me saying that she should be cared for as a delicate object…. Does not mean that I am feeling sorry for her. My post 34 was not what I felt for this person but more what I wish her husband and her close families do for her. Her husband seems like a nice person and I wish he stays besides her through the ordeal that she will have to go through.
Again I am not talking about feeling sorry for her but rather of the “support system” that has to be developed around her or as a matter of fact with every rape victim….. that can help them to come back to enjoy their lives.
Your comment on justice is correct….. it does help in putting a closure. However since this happened in Pakistan, I fear that justice will not be served and this can cause more pain for the doctor.
#55 Posted by ana on February 23, 2005 9:51:50 pm
Re: # 53
doublec:
i don`t want to keep discussing the condition of dr. shazia or put words in her mouth, or attribute feelings to her that are not hers. but it does seem that you and i are talking past each other. i would be the last person in the world to say that what she went through was NOT a delicate situation. i wouldn`t even say that. rape IS painful, the aftereffects, the shame, the degradation, the wondering if you did something to cause it, the disbelief of some as to your ``innocence``. that was not the point i was trying to make.
you referred to the doctor being treated as a delicate object. there is no doubt whatsoever that she needs caring and supportive people around her, and thankfully she does, and as i said we can only hope and pray that with their love and support she will go on with the rest of her life. she is NOT an object, she is a human being, who does need care, and who will need time to feel whole again. being sensitive to what she`s been through is one thing, but ``delicate objects`` are often set somewhere where they become unreachable. that, in my humble opinion, is a mistake. and i don`t agree necessarily with how rahul c. is putting it, but yes, to acknowledge and act on the fact that a loved one or someone we know has been raped is one thing. to continue feeling sorry for her situation in life, and to freeze her in the moment of being raped is not the best thing to do either. that sometimes leads to exploitation of a situation.
that`s where justice becomes so important. that`s where educating someone becomes so important, that`s where abolishing laws that favor the powerful and the man become important. you said you don`t care what happens to ``the dog``. perhaps you should. you should care about dogs who prescribe karo kari over upholding the honour of the women in their families. about the dogs who commit such vile acts. because for some, restorative justice has a lot to do with closure. for some it has everything to do with it.
you misunderstand me altogether when you say that i do not consider it to be a ``delicate`` situation. my objection to what you said was more in the tone that you used. and if we`re still in disagreement about that, then perhaps this is not the best arena to continue this discussion. she will not be the same person no. but with love, and faith, and yes, fear, will she go on? let us hope so.
doublec:
i don`t want to keep discussing the condition of dr. shazia or put words in her mouth, or attribute feelings to her that are not hers. but it does seem that you and i are talking past each other. i would be the last person in the world to say that what she went through was NOT a delicate situation. i wouldn`t even say that. rape IS painful, the aftereffects, the shame, the degradation, the wondering if you did something to cause it, the disbelief of some as to your ``innocence``. that was not the point i was trying to make.
you referred to the doctor being treated as a delicate object. there is no doubt whatsoever that she needs caring and supportive people around her, and thankfully she does, and as i said we can only hope and pray that with their love and support she will go on with the rest of her life. she is NOT an object, she is a human being, who does need care, and who will need time to feel whole again. being sensitive to what she`s been through is one thing, but ``delicate objects`` are often set somewhere where they become unreachable. that, in my humble opinion, is a mistake. and i don`t agree necessarily with how rahul c. is putting it, but yes, to acknowledge and act on the fact that a loved one or someone we know has been raped is one thing. to continue feeling sorry for her situation in life, and to freeze her in the moment of being raped is not the best thing to do either. that sometimes leads to exploitation of a situation.
that`s where justice becomes so important. that`s where educating someone becomes so important, that`s where abolishing laws that favor the powerful and the man become important. you said you don`t care what happens to ``the dog``. perhaps you should. you should care about dogs who prescribe karo kari over upholding the honour of the women in their families. about the dogs who commit such vile acts. because for some, restorative justice has a lot to do with closure. for some it has everything to do with it.
you misunderstand me altogether when you say that i do not consider it to be a ``delicate`` situation. my objection to what you said was more in the tone that you used. and if we`re still in disagreement about that, then perhaps this is not the best arena to continue this discussion. she will not be the same person no. but with love, and faith, and yes, fear, will she go on? let us hope so.
#54 Posted by rahul_capri on February 23, 2005 4:36:41 pm
How can someone who`s life has been altered go back living the same way. It takes a long time to heal and they need caring people around them.
doublec, We all have our own neuroses and scars, but that does not mean we need special treatment.This is the reason why so many of sexual abuse cases go unreported.
doublec, We all have our own neuroses and scars, but that does not mean we need special treatment.This is the reason why so many of sexual abuse cases go unreported.
#53 Posted by DoubleC on February 23, 2005 12:08:29 pm
So Ana,
How can someone who`s life has been altered go back living the same way. It takes a long time to heal and they need caring people around them.
I am not feeling pity for this person... I`m just saying what i wish should happen. How can you say that she is not in a delicate situation?...... think of her mental situation and tell me if at the moment it is delicate or not.
Don`t get me wrong...... i wish her the best but when this story dies out and the two of us are discussing a different topic, the doc will still be living on, with the memory of what happened to her. There will be days when things will be tough for her and her family, when they would not know what to do...... hopefully the family does not give up on her and lets her deal with the situation her self........ she needs constant support.... maybe for a few months maybe for a few years......
How can someone who`s life has been altered go back living the same way. It takes a long time to heal and they need caring people around them.
I am not feeling pity for this person... I`m just saying what i wish should happen. How can you say that she is not in a delicate situation?...... think of her mental situation and tell me if at the moment it is delicate or not.
Don`t get me wrong...... i wish her the best but when this story dies out and the two of us are discussing a different topic, the doc will still be living on, with the memory of what happened to her. There will be days when things will be tough for her and her family, when they would not know what to do...... hopefully the family does not give up on her and lets her deal with the situation her self........ she needs constant support.... maybe for a few months maybe for a few years......
#52 Posted by ana on February 23, 2005 11:51:30 am
Re: # 51
doublec,
the one word answer to your question: yes. and please look at what you`ve written again and tell me what it is that i don`t understand either way. my own personal experience, though perhaps not as devastating has not left me psychologically unscathed, but of course you couldn`t have known that in being so presumptious as to what i do and don`t understand.
take care.
doublec,
the one word answer to your question: yes. and please look at what you`ve written again and tell me what it is that i don`t understand either way. my own personal experience, though perhaps not as devastating has not left me psychologically unscathed, but of course you couldn`t have known that in being so presumptious as to what i do and don`t understand.
take care.
#51 Posted by DoubleC on February 23, 2005 10:24:59 am
38 Rahul/40 Ana,
I just have one question for the two of you: Do you personally know a rape victim? If yes then i find it hard for the two of you to understand my post. If you don`t know one then you don`t understand what i am saying.
I just have one question for the two of you: Do you personally know a rape victim? If yes then i find it hard for the two of you to understand my post. If you don`t know one then you don`t understand what i am saying.
#50 Posted by yogiraj on February 23, 2005 9:36:43 am
Beena,
Nice article. It does prove something.
Marm, when idiotics like me are in power, this will always happen. Not only in Pakistan, but also in India. May be also in Timbuck..TOO. and ...then some.
When a is problem identified, accepted, one should find resolution. And work on it. Neither I or urs will do that..
In India we have laws. Well.. We don`t abide by them...In pakistan.. there are not many..
Well you could be Saminasha.. who does want to to have evolution and change...
OR be a believer in Karma.. e.g.
O saare jagake rakhawle... Neerbal Ko bal dene wale...
Balawano ko ... Daata..... Dataa... Day Day Gyan
Well you could replace Allah with Ishwar. Yogiraj with Usrtru.. Nothing will change. Nothing. Unless you want to and change it. Take control. Tell me and urstru... B. F. U.
Yours True...
Yogiraj
Nice article. It does prove something.
Marm, when idiotics like me are in power, this will always happen. Not only in Pakistan, but also in India. May be also in Timbuck..TOO. and ...then some.
When a is problem identified, accepted, one should find resolution. And work on it. Neither I or urs will do that..
In India we have laws. Well.. We don`t abide by them...In pakistan.. there are not many..
Well you could be Saminasha.. who does want to to have evolution and change...
OR be a believer in Karma.. e.g.
O saare jagake rakhawle... Neerbal Ko bal dene wale...
Balawano ko ... Daata..... Dataa... Day Day Gyan
Well you could replace Allah with Ishwar. Yogiraj with Usrtru.. Nothing will change. Nothing. Unless you want to and change it. Take control. Tell me and urstru... B. F. U.
Yours True...
Yogiraj
#49 Posted by rsridhar on February 23, 2005 6:16:55 am
re:#46 by Charlie
I feel miserable when i hear such news. More so when such things are justified in the name of honor and the culprits go scotfree.
Pakistani society has yet to evolve a system to fight such injusticies. Pak is ruled by a dictator who makes a mockery of judicial system (Did he consult the judiciary before he usurped power?). Mullahs go unchallenged for fear of backlash. So, we have these tribal customs that have gone unchallenged to this day.
Such things happen in India too but media can make lives of wrong-doers miserable and judicial system can apply correctives. But the system is far from corrupt. Corrupt politicians still rule India (eg Bihar, TN). I am watching with interest the Kanchi Mutt case that is unfolding in Tamil Nadu. In all probability, the Kanchi Seer is being framed. Media is unable to do much. The CM of that state things she is born to rule and is being autocratic. But she now faces corrupton charges for which she has to go to Karnataka to face a trial. She tried to wriggle out of this by appealing to Supreme Court saying she will not get justice in Karnatak but that was turned down.
It is just that there has to be mechanisms to fight out injustices and these evolve as time goes by and if people are vested with powers to evolve such mechanisms. In a feudalistic society like Pakistan`s, such mechanisms evolve very slowly. It is left to some good men to fight it out.
Meanwhile, i heard that a 2 year old girl was raped in tribal area of Pak and was ordered by Karo Kari to be married to somebody when she grows up. What a shame?
Mullahs also have double standards to morality. Meera, the Pak actress, has caused a stir when she acted in a Bollywood movie. What is bothering the mullahs is NOT what she is doing but why she is doing in an enemycountry in front of the Infidels.
Sridhar
I feel miserable when i hear such news. More so when such things are justified in the name of honor and the culprits go scotfree.
Pakistani society has yet to evolve a system to fight such injusticies. Pak is ruled by a dictator who makes a mockery of judicial system (Did he consult the judiciary before he usurped power?). Mullahs go unchallenged for fear of backlash. So, we have these tribal customs that have gone unchallenged to this day.
Such things happen in India too but media can make lives of wrong-doers miserable and judicial system can apply correctives. But the system is far from corrupt. Corrupt politicians still rule India (eg Bihar, TN). I am watching with interest the Kanchi Mutt case that is unfolding in Tamil Nadu. In all probability, the Kanchi Seer is being framed. Media is unable to do much. The CM of that state things she is born to rule and is being autocratic. But she now faces corrupton charges for which she has to go to Karnataka to face a trial. She tried to wriggle out of this by appealing to Supreme Court saying she will not get justice in Karnatak but that was turned down.
It is just that there has to be mechanisms to fight out injustices and these evolve as time goes by and if people are vested with powers to evolve such mechanisms. In a feudalistic society like Pakistan`s, such mechanisms evolve very slowly. It is left to some good men to fight it out.
Meanwhile, i heard that a 2 year old girl was raped in tribal area of Pak and was ordered by Karo Kari to be married to somebody when she grows up. What a shame?
Mullahs also have double standards to morality. Meera, the Pak actress, has caused a stir when she acted in a Bollywood movie. What is bothering the mullahs is NOT what she is doing but why she is doing in an enemycountry in front of the Infidels.
Sridhar
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