The Ultimate Violation
Beena Sarwar February 20, 2005
#1 Posted by temporal on February 20, 2005 12:26:25 pm
thank you beena for this write up...the skeptic in me says `go on yell, nothing will change`...but the other me beckons me to go on `yelling`...every drop in the bucket helps...every effort to keep the issue in the limelight helps...
....would appreciate if you take time to read the link and sign the petition pleaseANAA
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#2 Posted by jay on February 20, 2005 1:30:36 pm
Once again what this article shows is the refusal of the educated pakistanis to look at the fundamental issue behind the honour killings,and rapes which are on the increase. The reason is simple Beena, it is the hoodood ordinance. Take it from me, accept the relity that it has got nothing to do with Zia. 25 years after Zia, after military rule. elected rule by a woman, and then by Nawaz sherif, the hoodood has survived. Musheraf with all his talk of moderate islam, he did not change hoodood. The reason is simple, most pakistanis, including the educated like you, beleive that hoodood is consistant with islam, similar laws are in saudi arabia, and hence you support it.
Beena, the educated like you, as seen in this article, like to portray the rape as an isolated incident, shed tears, but refuse to accept the fundamental reason, the wider acceptance of the legal frame work that supports it, by most of the pakistanis.
Beena, take it from me, most pakistranis beleive in extreme religious views, the sustanence of hoodood and blasphemy laws are proof of this. Beena, the day you dare to arite about the evils of hoodod, and look at rape and killings as an outcome of this, there is future for pakistan.
Beena, the educated like you, as seen in this article, like to portray the rape as an isolated incident, shed tears, but refuse to accept the fundamental reason, the wider acceptance of the legal frame work that supports it, by most of the pakistanis.
Beena, take it from me, most pakistranis beleive in extreme religious views, the sustanence of hoodood and blasphemy laws are proof of this. Beena, the day you dare to arite about the evils of hoodod, and look at rape and killings as an outcome of this, there is future for pakistan.
#7 Posted by teshah on February 20, 2005 5:30:29 pm
Re: # 3
``that i would not disagree with, most pakistani`s are uneducated and unknowing of the basic tenants of Islam and are more inclined towards following the mullah`s and maulvi`s``
What are basic tenants of Islam in your opinion, especially with regard to human rights? Woman is treated in Islam as a sub-human creature , a tilth (kheti)to be used by men as they desired and beaten up when suspected to be rebellious(See verse 34 of SURA Nisa). The rape was institutionalized in the form of slavery in pre-Islamic Arab society and this practice continued even after the advent of Islam. In fact Islam did not change any institution prevalent in the tribal ummi Arab society. The religion was meant actually for the ummy Arabs who are supposed to have best knowledge of it. What has education to do with this, may it be in Madrissa or school. It is all Jahlia indoctrination, Inshallah, Mashaallh.
As for Hadood laws they were imposed by a userper Zia only as a political stunt of his scheme of `Islamizaion`. These continued side by side the common law. The Hadood in Quranic law about adultry requires four witnesses to be produced who had seen the act performed pornographically and if the accuser is able to bring only one less he is to be charged of `Qazaf`, awarded 80 lashes and disqualfied for ever as a witness. But in this `Inshaallah, Mashaallah` culture common law (Tahzir)comes handy to change the track altogether when the Quran says those who do not judge by the laws of Allah are Fasiq, Fajir and what not.
So under the Quranic Hadood Dr. Shazia may herself be accused of adultry if she cannot produce four witnesses of the standard required.
``that i would not disagree with, most pakistani`s are uneducated and unknowing of the basic tenants of Islam and are more inclined towards following the mullah`s and maulvi`s``
What are basic tenants of Islam in your opinion, especially with regard to human rights? Woman is treated in Islam as a sub-human creature , a tilth (kheti)to be used by men as they desired and beaten up when suspected to be rebellious(See verse 34 of SURA Nisa). The rape was institutionalized in the form of slavery in pre-Islamic Arab society and this practice continued even after the advent of Islam. In fact Islam did not change any institution prevalent in the tribal ummi Arab society. The religion was meant actually for the ummy Arabs who are supposed to have best knowledge of it. What has education to do with this, may it be in Madrissa or school. It is all Jahlia indoctrination, Inshallah, Mashaallh.
As for Hadood laws they were imposed by a userper Zia only as a political stunt of his scheme of `Islamizaion`. These continued side by side the common law. The Hadood in Quranic law about adultry requires four witnesses to be produced who had seen the act performed pornographically and if the accuser is able to bring only one less he is to be charged of `Qazaf`, awarded 80 lashes and disqualfied for ever as a witness. But in this `Inshaallah, Mashaallah` culture common law (Tahzir)comes handy to change the track altogether when the Quran says those who do not judge by the laws of Allah are Fasiq, Fajir and what not.
So under the Quranic Hadood Dr. Shazia may herself be accused of adultry if she cannot produce four witnesses of the standard required.
#3 Posted by paindupastry on February 20, 2005 2:31:07 pm
``most pakistanis, including the educated like you, beleive that hoodood is consistant with islam``
No sir, you are wrong there, the educated have always been against the Hudood laws but they have never done anything about it and thats another matter and even more of the uneducated ones are beginning to realize the fallacies of these laws
``most pakistranis beleive in extreme religious views``
that i would not disagree with, most pakistani`s are uneducated and unknowing of the basic tenants of Islam and are more inclined towards following the mullah`s and maulvi`s
No sir, you are wrong there, the educated have always been against the Hudood laws but they have never done anything about it and thats another matter and even more of the uneducated ones are beginning to realize the fallacies of these laws
``most pakistranis beleive in extreme religious views``
that i would not disagree with, most pakistani`s are uneducated and unknowing of the basic tenants of Islam and are more inclined towards following the mullah`s and maulvi`s
#4 Posted by Zeena on February 20, 2005 4:30:30 pm
Beena Sarwar
After such a long time ,I am reading a really thought provoking and humanly sensitive article.Dr.Shazia is not the only one in that Islamic Republic of Pakistan.God,knows how many of our Muslim sisters in urban and rural areas are being rapped by Muslim men.In our Islamic Pak.society people hide all kind of garbage under their beds.They only throw their household garbage outside on the streets,b/c no one will recognise who`s garbage is on the streets???All Pak.`s streets are full of stinky filth.Muslim people feel no shame in spreading their garbage openly.Yes,they will pride in hiding RAPES of their own MUSLIM daughters,sisters,mothers and wives.Well,that is their pride,first to rape muslim women,then hide that rape in graves to have their MUSLIM PRIDE........
After such a long time ,I am reading a really thought provoking and humanly sensitive article.Dr.Shazia is not the only one in that Islamic Republic of Pakistan.God,knows how many of our Muslim sisters in urban and rural areas are being rapped by Muslim men.In our Islamic Pak.society people hide all kind of garbage under their beds.They only throw their household garbage outside on the streets,b/c no one will recognise who`s garbage is on the streets???All Pak.`s streets are full of stinky filth.Muslim people feel no shame in spreading their garbage openly.Yes,they will pride in hiding RAPES of their own MUSLIM daughters,sisters,mothers and wives.Well,that is their pride,first to rape muslim women,then hide that rape in graves to have their MUSLIM PRIDE........
#11 Posted by jay on February 20, 2005 6:23:25 pm
Re: # 5
The point is that this article tries to portray the rape as an exception with out touching up on the legal system that supports it.
Post #7
This is another clasic example of blaing Zia. The highest court in pakistan is the sharia court, and it can strike down the hoodood. They will not simply because it is consistant with islam. Then we have this so called islamic scholars on chowk, telling that hoodood is against islam. Stop this pretensions, accept the reality, at least the views of the learned sharia court of pakistan.
Do not forget, they took up the issue of interest rates in pakistan. So sharia court is not a dead institution, it did take up the charging of interst which has reamined for so long, a lot longer than any Zia rules. Hence the fact is that the hoodood has the approval of the sharia courts, and it is time that the pakistanis accept the at least the rule of law in the case of islamic laws.
The point is that this article tries to portray the rape as an exception with out touching up on the legal system that supports it.
Post #7
This is another clasic example of blaing Zia. The highest court in pakistan is the sharia court, and it can strike down the hoodood. They will not simply because it is consistant with islam. Then we have this so called islamic scholars on chowk, telling that hoodood is against islam. Stop this pretensions, accept the reality, at least the views of the learned sharia court of pakistan.
Do not forget, they took up the issue of interest rates in pakistan. So sharia court is not a dead institution, it did take up the charging of interst which has reamined for so long, a lot longer than any Zia rules. Hence the fact is that the hoodood has the approval of the sharia courts, and it is time that the pakistanis accept the at least the rule of law in the case of islamic laws.
#5 Posted by temporal on February 20, 2005 4:58:56 pm
jay thackeray:
google ``beena sarwar`` to find out what she has written in the past fifteen years or more before you make a public four legged animal of scorn out of yourself...again;)
just some neighbourly advice
warm regards
t
google ``beena sarwar`` to find out what she has written in the past fifteen years or more before you make a public four legged animal of scorn out of yourself...again;)
just some neighbourly advice
warm regards
t
#6 Posted by sajal on February 20, 2005 5:04:31 pm
Beena, that was a dose of reality as to what is happening with dr shazia,
I am really sorry for dr Shazia and I sincerely wish she gets justice.
I am angry at the current social climate of Pakistan and ashamed at how women are treated in our country.
I am also frustrated because I dont understand, what will it take for us as a nation to change the attitude towards women.
I believe the hudood ordinance should be abolished and new criminal laws imposed to protect women in our country.
How long do we have to suffer??????
I am really sorry for dr Shazia and I sincerely wish she gets justice.
I am angry at the current social climate of Pakistan and ashamed at how women are treated in our country.
I am also frustrated because I dont understand, what will it take for us as a nation to change the attitude towards women.
I believe the hudood ordinance should be abolished and new criminal laws imposed to protect women in our country.
How long do we have to suffer??????
#8 Posted by sajal on February 20, 2005 5:32:16 pm
I do wonder if insted of declaring dr shazia as ``Kari`` these Jirgas should proclaim death sentence on themselves as it was becasue of their weakness a woman was raped.
She is not the one dishonored they are, tell those dishonorable men to go kill themselves to restore their honor. Why should the victim be killed ?
If you being the supreme MEN cannot protect the women it is time you die with shame.
As far as i am concerned,
victims are honorable and innocent.
She is not the one dishonored they are, tell those dishonorable men to go kill themselves to restore their honor. Why should the victim be killed ?
If you being the supreme MEN cannot protect the women it is time you die with shame.
As far as i am concerned,
victims are honorable and innocent.
#9 Posted by Jane on February 20, 2005 5:43:24 pm
This story exemplifies why Western perceptions exist of Pakistan that paint it as a dark and evil culture.
I recently traveled to Pakistan`s neighbor, India, and admittedly, before I left the US, I was very wary of the men in India. I had read so much about Indian women being burnt with acid or young brides being murdered for dowry. I took pains to pack utterly conservative clothing in order to prevent any unwanted advances from men and to ensure I wasn`t sending the wrong message with my attire.
What I realized after spending over a month in India, was that these dark, disturbing stories of mistreated women while they are true, they aren`t as widespread as the media would lead readers in the West to believe. In fact, I quickly became comfortable there and realized that the good people vastly outnumbered the bad people.
The bottom line is that all countries -whether they are in North America, Europe, the Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or India- must overcome political corruption so that when crimes occur, proper investigations can be carried out and criminals can and will be prosecuted.
There has to be REAL deterrents to heinous crimes such as Dr. Shazia`s heartbreaking case by exacting appropriate punishment to offenders.
There has to be a system in place to ensure that justice cannot be avoided by any means.
I recently traveled to Pakistan`s neighbor, India, and admittedly, before I left the US, I was very wary of the men in India. I had read so much about Indian women being burnt with acid or young brides being murdered for dowry. I took pains to pack utterly conservative clothing in order to prevent any unwanted advances from men and to ensure I wasn`t sending the wrong message with my attire.
What I realized after spending over a month in India, was that these dark, disturbing stories of mistreated women while they are true, they aren`t as widespread as the media would lead readers in the West to believe. In fact, I quickly became comfortable there and realized that the good people vastly outnumbered the bad people.
The bottom line is that all countries -whether they are in North America, Europe, the Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or India- must overcome political corruption so that when crimes occur, proper investigations can be carried out and criminals can and will be prosecuted.
There has to be REAL deterrents to heinous crimes such as Dr. Shazia`s heartbreaking case by exacting appropriate punishment to offenders.
There has to be a system in place to ensure that justice cannot be avoided by any means.
#10 Posted by temporal on February 20, 2005 5:46:36 pm
digression:
in the last 35 or so articles here by my count there have been at least six articles that discuss islam or this rape directly or indirectly…and those abdul hates who hesitate not to discuss the glories of their twisted version of islam and who inundate chowk with cut n pastes of conversions and how glorious their religion is are absent from these threads…their absence and silence thunders…their hollowness evident for all to see…astagfirallah!
in the last 35 or so articles here by my count there have been at least six articles that discuss islam or this rape directly or indirectly…and those abdul hates who hesitate not to discuss the glories of their twisted version of islam and who inundate chowk with cut n pastes of conversions and how glorious their religion is are absent from these threads…their absence and silence thunders…their hollowness evident for all to see…astagfirallah!
#33 Posted by Netizen on February 21, 2005 1:00:46 pm
Re: # 20
``I have never seen article about most interesting mathematician from India Mr Ram Nu Jan anywhere in india on his birthday or memoral day( was he dalit or what? I do not know). ``
He wasn`t a Dalit. Here is a link http://www.imsc.ernet.in/~rao/ramanujan
``I have never seen article about most interesting mathematician from India Mr Ram Nu Jan anywhere in india on his birthday or memoral day( was he dalit or what? I do not know). ``
He wasn`t a Dalit. Here is a link http://www.imsc.ernet.in/~rao/ramanujan
#64 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 25, 2005 9:47:25 am
Re: # 39
I am sorry for you being disappointed.
I do not know much about physics or about scientist. He was polygomist and had twin wifes and that is affront to womenfolks even though by tradition it is accepted. Also to write a story one needs drama ( example Jinnah did not make money but gandhi movie made as there is drama in life of Mr. Gandhi so movie became interesting). There is no much drama in scientists life. Now some women say it is good and desirable(polygomy) and its allowed by book. You can not say any thing it is question in religious field and parameter are fixed. You can heat hit head on stone only you will be dead.
The system may be good, or bad but system exist due to conditions may be even optimum sme times. In pakistan there are topics which are not permitted ( not by law) by ethos of people.
Frontier post( In Peshawar) and business weekly( Karachi) burnt to ashes by ``people``.
Frontier post made mistake of printing some jew man`s letter. Even recently Jang ( a paper which tows General head quarter line and people like Mazari and other lady hawks regularly published) was attacked in Karachi as they published interview or some jew israli labor leader. You sit in safety and in cosy atmosphere in India and advice me to hit head on rock hoping rock will break.
You can advice you commy govt of bengalis to follow highcourts decision ant stop loud speakers, you commi paper bengali tigers have not dared still. Here things are difficult than you think. You can not challenging the book. ``there is no god but allah and Muhammad is last messenger `` should tell you some thing. In islam there everything emcompasses by traditions its watertight.Little thing can you make blasphamous and unbelieveable retribution.
My suggestion ( can not advise you are much intelligent, successful ) is please do not try to shephard sheeps sitting on Camel. IT has not worked. With best wishes to all.... Ahmed madani
I am sorry for you being disappointed.
I do not know much about physics or about scientist. He was polygomist and had twin wifes and that is affront to womenfolks even though by tradition it is accepted. Also to write a story one needs drama ( example Jinnah did not make money but gandhi movie made as there is drama in life of Mr. Gandhi so movie became interesting). There is no much drama in scientists life. Now some women say it is good and desirable(polygomy) and its allowed by book. You can not say any thing it is question in religious field and parameter are fixed. You can heat hit head on stone only you will be dead.
The system may be good, or bad but system exist due to conditions may be even optimum sme times. In pakistan there are topics which are not permitted ( not by law) by ethos of people.
Frontier post( In Peshawar) and business weekly( Karachi) burnt to ashes by ``people``.
Frontier post made mistake of printing some jew man`s letter. Even recently Jang ( a paper which tows General head quarter line and people like Mazari and other lady hawks regularly published) was attacked in Karachi as they published interview or some jew israli labor leader. You sit in safety and in cosy atmosphere in India and advice me to hit head on rock hoping rock will break.
You can advice you commy govt of bengalis to follow highcourts decision ant stop loud speakers, you commi paper bengali tigers have not dared still. Here things are difficult than you think. You can not challenging the book. ``there is no god but allah and Muhammad is last messenger `` should tell you some thing. In islam there everything emcompasses by traditions its watertight.Little thing can you make blasphamous and unbelieveable retribution.
My suggestion ( can not advise you are much intelligent, successful ) is please do not try to shephard sheeps sitting on Camel. IT has not worked. With best wishes to all.... Ahmed madani
#39 Posted by jay on February 21, 2005 8:19:57 pm
Re: # 20
Hi Ahmad midani,
I am disappointed, how a simple proding has brought out the real pakistani in you. If I remeber correctly, Ramanujam died young, may be around 32, he did not get any nobel prize. The case of dalits is well known, and recognised in the constutution, and there are reserved jobs and educational places for them. These were not there in the british india.
Take the case of pakistan. Ahmadias had no legislated disadvantages, after the creation of pakistan, every applicant to a passport has to declare that the riligious guro of ahmadias is a imposter. It is rather pathetic that you chose to compare ramanujam to abdul salam, and compare dalits to ahmadias.
Take it from me ahmad madani, what I am talking about is not individual prejudices, I am talking about is procedures and regulations, approved and up held by the pak legal system and the supreme sharia court. Do something ahmad, tell me why no one dares to celebrate abdus salam acheivement. The question is are you ready. Will you write a post stating that it is to honour abdus salam, and let me asuure you, you will stoned to death.
Hi Ahmad midani,
I am disappointed, how a simple proding has brought out the real pakistani in you. If I remeber correctly, Ramanujam died young, may be around 32, he did not get any nobel prize. The case of dalits is well known, and recognised in the constutution, and there are reserved jobs and educational places for them. These were not there in the british india.
Take the case of pakistan. Ahmadias had no legislated disadvantages, after the creation of pakistan, every applicant to a passport has to declare that the riligious guro of ahmadias is a imposter. It is rather pathetic that you chose to compare ramanujam to abdul salam, and compare dalits to ahmadias.
Take it from me ahmad madani, what I am talking about is not individual prejudices, I am talking about is procedures and regulations, approved and up held by the pak legal system and the supreme sharia court. Do something ahmad, tell me why no one dares to celebrate abdus salam acheivement. The question is are you ready. Will you write a post stating that it is to honour abdus salam, and let me asuure you, you will stoned to death.
#20 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 20, 2005 10:19:00 pm
Re: # 17
Mr. Jay... thanks for your comment.
Science has no value in masses ( masses are asses). Honestly people from subcontinent do not give damn to these people. I have never seen article about most interesting mathematician from India Mr Ram Nu Jan anywhere in india on his birthday or memoral day( was he dalit or what? I do not know). I read a english book about 21 great mathematicians it included Mr. Ram. Also we do not give damn to Mr. C S Chandrashekhar who was born in karachi. People have no value system about that. You may agree with me both Mr. Kalam or Mr. Khan are not scientist in real sense but engineering managers. No body is nominating them for any scientific achivement but most Desi feel there are ``Great Scientist``. If take pole Mr. Khan will be greatest scientist of Pakistan.
I think they can have you mentioned scientist day without any problem. No body gives damn about these things its mostly Lafangebazi.
Most people are not exposed to liberating ideas about socialism in Pakistan is problem. Socialist economic ideas have not deliverd but the liberal influence and liberating and ethos of questioning status is paramount. The middle class lacks vision as without vision is no light is condition in my country. Due to this the society has lost erotic content as as can be seen in abscence of women in crowds compared to India. The sexual content in society is very less which results in punching bottoms of women in public transport, purposeful touching of women in public places its perversion. Most men see bad moves and content in internet in cafes ( read Beena Shah`s novel) in less lighted places and they he is facing world with many freudian complexes. He becomes submissive about mother and sister but extremely aggressive about other women a typical passive aggresive. He looks at women as if he never seen female on earth, he disrobes mentally which is terrible than many things. Even good people get addicted to this type of molestations. Many young women try to make themselves ugly so not to attract perverts. Many parks are off for females unaccompied. Most pakistanis like india for sexual content in your society. I have been to India most notable thing is prescence of women , women driving scooters, walking , he likes it but at same time he feels its sexual so does not want his mother or sister do that. Its joyful experience if you are coming from interior sindh or many place of B.stan or NWFP. This same condition of young men brought up in sexual repressive society even in cities. So even if Pakistani goes to usa you can not change him mentally. He is like old dog, can not teach new tricks. He does not want to go to source of problem as then he has to go against current and conservative, ill logical timid mind can not think of going against current. I have seen many of our lucky boys they go to perdesh, do zina sex etc,drink wine and liquior, eat pork, eat larded burgers, do not pray, do not live pious life,watch bad movies and bad books brag about it, admire sexuality of women of west world but as he thinks about his own family he becomes conservative can kill his sister for infringement ( which he habitually does and boasts) he becomes conservative as if he is born in Kingdom of S. Arabia. People accept all these in fact people will give succulent reasoning for existance of system. It is to credit of Turky Pasha he changed lot he was social revolutionary in real sense. Indian cinema is liberating to some extent as it is most liked and slowly those sinful things sink down.
Basically nothing can be done realiastically due to lack of liberal ethos. Women of country are destined for miseries to come for years.
I am pragmastic and do not believe in army or man or gods miracles. They can not cure women must endure.
Mr. Jay... thanks for your comment.
Science has no value in masses ( masses are asses). Honestly people from subcontinent do not give damn to these people. I have never seen article about most interesting mathematician from India Mr Ram Nu Jan anywhere in india on his birthday or memoral day( was he dalit or what? I do not know). I read a english book about 21 great mathematicians it included Mr. Ram. Also we do not give damn to Mr. C S Chandrashekhar who was born in karachi. People have no value system about that. You may agree with me both Mr. Kalam or Mr. Khan are not scientist in real sense but engineering managers. No body is nominating them for any scientific achivement but most Desi feel there are ``Great Scientist``. If take pole Mr. Khan will be greatest scientist of Pakistan.
I think they can have you mentioned scientist day without any problem. No body gives damn about these things its mostly Lafangebazi.
Most people are not exposed to liberating ideas about socialism in Pakistan is problem. Socialist economic ideas have not deliverd but the liberal influence and liberating and ethos of questioning status is paramount. The middle class lacks vision as without vision is no light is condition in my country. Due to this the society has lost erotic content as as can be seen in abscence of women in crowds compared to India. The sexual content in society is very less which results in punching bottoms of women in public transport, purposeful touching of women in public places its perversion. Most men see bad moves and content in internet in cafes ( read Beena Shah`s novel) in less lighted places and they he is facing world with many freudian complexes. He becomes submissive about mother and sister but extremely aggressive about other women a typical passive aggresive. He looks at women as if he never seen female on earth, he disrobes mentally which is terrible than many things. Even good people get addicted to this type of molestations. Many young women try to make themselves ugly so not to attract perverts. Many parks are off for females unaccompied. Most pakistanis like india for sexual content in your society. I have been to India most notable thing is prescence of women , women driving scooters, walking , he likes it but at same time he feels its sexual so does not want his mother or sister do that. Its joyful experience if you are coming from interior sindh or many place of B.stan or NWFP. This same condition of young men brought up in sexual repressive society even in cities. So even if Pakistani goes to usa you can not change him mentally. He is like old dog, can not teach new tricks. He does not want to go to source of problem as then he has to go against current and conservative, ill logical timid mind can not think of going against current. I have seen many of our lucky boys they go to perdesh, do zina sex etc,drink wine and liquior, eat pork, eat larded burgers, do not pray, do not live pious life,watch bad movies and bad books brag about it, admire sexuality of women of west world but as he thinks about his own family he becomes conservative can kill his sister for infringement ( which he habitually does and boasts) he becomes conservative as if he is born in Kingdom of S. Arabia. People accept all these in fact people will give succulent reasoning for existance of system. It is to credit of Turky Pasha he changed lot he was social revolutionary in real sense. Indian cinema is liberating to some extent as it is most liked and slowly those sinful things sink down.
Basically nothing can be done realiastically due to lack of liberal ethos. Women of country are destined for miseries to come for years.
I am pragmastic and do not believe in army or man or gods miracles. They can not cure women must endure.
#17 Posted by jay on February 20, 2005 9:08:50 pm
Re: # 12
Hi Mr. Madani,
You are the most honest pakistani on the chowk. I have a few, what temporal calls as the dead horses, to beat. By branding them as dead horses, he is only trying to bypass the central tenet, the surviving and the eternal spirit, of the dead horse.
There are quite a few things the educated can do, the first being to write about the reality of pakistan, rather than trying to white wash and hide the truth. Simplest will be to honour Andus salam. If I remember correctly February 27 or something like that is the birth day of abdus salam. Why not Chowk publish an article, clearly stating that it is in memeory of the dead man.
So far chowk has never done that, there have been articles, but never has any one dared to say that it is in honour of him. For a pakistani to write an article in honour of abdus is blasphemy, it is not the fear of ISI that prevents the pakistanis from doing such a imple defying act, it is because they beleive thatpakaistan being an islamic country should not honour him, and this reviles me.
There is symbolism in the act of honouring abdus salam, and no pakistani, even on the anonymity of chowk will dare to do that. i wonder if chowk editors will allow.
Being a very honest pakistani, let both of us see how this simple idea will be responded to by pakistanis.
Hi Mr. Madani,
You are the most honest pakistani on the chowk. I have a few, what temporal calls as the dead horses, to beat. By branding them as dead horses, he is only trying to bypass the central tenet, the surviving and the eternal spirit, of the dead horse.
There are quite a few things the educated can do, the first being to write about the reality of pakistan, rather than trying to white wash and hide the truth. Simplest will be to honour Andus salam. If I remember correctly February 27 or something like that is the birth day of abdus salam. Why not Chowk publish an article, clearly stating that it is in memeory of the dead man.
So far chowk has never done that, there have been articles, but never has any one dared to say that it is in honour of him. For a pakistani to write an article in honour of abdus is blasphemy, it is not the fear of ISI that prevents the pakistanis from doing such a imple defying act, it is because they beleive thatpakaistan being an islamic country should not honour him, and this reviles me.
There is symbolism in the act of honouring abdus salam, and no pakistani, even on the anonymity of chowk will dare to do that. i wonder if chowk editors will allow.
Being a very honest pakistani, let both of us see how this simple idea will be responded to by pakistanis.
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