Sui Incident: A PR Disaster

jay:

spoken like a true tunnel-visioned brother abdul-hate

coming to tea on sunday? bring brother echoboom too

rgds

t

yogiraj,

A woman is raped in Sui, no one is arrested, the president of the country says that the military is not invoved, he also says that the culprit should be hung. A very educated person, the author of this article says that the events point to a PR failure for the govt. All of the other pakistanis, like temporal agrees with this as indicated by his silence.

I point to this retrograde mindset that prevents any improvement in pak society. Well I have no hate, I am indignant. To me education means something, it means an ability to see through the sharade, a kind of a commitment to be objective, and to point out this fundamental meaning of education to the elites of pakistan.

May be you also agree that the issue in pakistan is one of PR failure, not that of the rule of law. Well you also belong to the species, homo erectus pakistanicus. Be temporals guest.

ana:

see what have you done? abdul hate is frothing;)

#14-Good book covers Urstruly!
This belongs here as well. A warning of the times ahead for munaafiques , Zanees , sharaabees, Haraamkhores, and rishvatkhores of Pakistan. It really doesn`t matter if they are in uniform or out of uniform.

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No wonder then Mukhtar Mai & Shazia cases happen in Paki-land.


In Pakistan Zaanis [adulterers], and zanabiljabrees[rapists],Sharaabees (drinkers), Haraamkaars(corrupt),rishvatkhores(bribe-takers) and such `moderate` and `enlightened` typesget support from cantonements & civil-lines.
Hence the westernised scum will continue their baighairat andbayhayaa lifestyle and delude themselves into believing that they aresomewhat `educated``.

``If you do it in english, it must be great``--the totaa mainaas conclude.


And then there is IRAN!Where Islamic justice, Sharia justice is dispensed to such vile creatures.


Iran`s `desert vampire` executed




The condemned collapsed twice during the pre-execution flogging

An Iranian serial killer who murdered at least 20 children has been executed in front a large crowd of spectators.
Mohammad Bijeh, 22, dubbed ``the Tehran desert vampire`` by Iran`s press, was flogged 100 times before being hanged.

A brother of one of his young victims stabbed him as
he was being punished. The mother of another victim was asked to putthe noose around his neck.

The execution took place in Pakdasht south of Tehran, near where Bijeh`s year-long killing spree took place.

The killer was hoisted about 10 metres into the air by a crane and slowly throttled to death in front of the baying crowd.

Hanging by a crane - a common form of execution in Iran
- does not involve a swift death as the condemned prisoner`s neck is not broken.

Calm and silent

````As a bare minimum Mr. Musharraf should have come on the national TV in his uniform and said something like: “Being father of a daughter myself, I can understand, very well, the unbearable agony the victim and his family must be going through. At the moment, I am not in position to have an opinion about the culpability of my officer. I can neither guarantee the innocence of the accused nor am I aware of the grade of his involvement. The crime is however so serious that there is absolutely no room for any leniency. We have taken the person in question in custody. He will remain there until and unless we can either prove him guilty or absolve him of any wrongdoing beyond every reasonable doubt. We will leave no stone unturned to deliver justice – no matter who the perpetrators are. Trust me - I will not let you down. ”

No, no, nothing of the sort, either from the Army House or the Presidency. Gentleman residing over there is perhaps too busy making and breaking political alliances. ‘Unity of command’ and uniform seemingly failed to incite ‘patriotism’ or stimulate ‘conscience’ when it needs. Actually, what really perturbs me is my deep-held belief that Mr. Musharraf as an individual is a benevolent and compassionate guy. He did take proper and personal notice of the gory incident in Meerwala. This time around, his indifference, his silence is perplexing. ````

why musharaf cant come in front of media and say all above things.....
the reason is he himself has taken adopted an illegal way to take hold of the governement ...
general saab talks about enlightened, democaratic and moderate pakistan.. and women of the nation are raped and and the accused are not even taken into police custody...
Mr. President please set an example....

temporal:

i think jay prakash`s attitudes and hate are visible enough without referring to him as thackeray don`t you? one doesn`t need to be a bal thackeray to hate. one could easily remain a jay prakash. and the same goes for those who refer to all muslims as abdul and christians as bible-thumpers. just an observation. you are entitled to do whatever satisfies you, as does everyone here.

and perhaps some credit should be given to the intelligence of chowkies, although i do get your point.

as for the recent avatars of echobum, you mean those two cross-gender nicks are also his?! hai hai!

--ana

ana:

1: it is jay prakash

2: jay prakash aka mr. know-it-all, jay thackeray, a few other knee-jerkers and farangi, hamzadafaqui, chusni, echoboom and two or three recent avatars of him are the abdul hates that crawl on this site...it is fun (and a jihad like obligation) to expose their my-way-or-the-highway silliness for the unwary and unsuspecting chowkies

lve

t

ps: yogiraj bhai i have to go back to the infamous k for...school to comprehend your post

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``#12 by ana on March 17, 2005 6:29am PT
temporal:

some questions for you:

1) is jay`s last name really thackeray?

2) have noticed that you have been commenting on his remarks with as much sarcasm and dare i say disdain as perhaps i and a few people do with echoboom. the question i put to you is why don`t you just ignore the *#&^? what has happened to change that previous attitude of yours? and if you are battling ignorance as quixote battled windmills, then why is that not directed to more people on chowk, who are also ``deserving`` of it?

just curious. it`s not a defense of jay by any means. or angrily directed your way. but why just restrict your wit and aankheN maarna to those on whom little effect is made? khair the other side is that little effect is made on practically everyone here, including myself.

--ana ``

NO. t is what he is doing. Balancing act. When something becomes un-defencible he must act as patriot.

Jay will show him a face he does not want to see. For example Sui.. Dr.. Jirga.. Mai..Koran.

Jay will show him.. You can go and not only rape but get away with well...I for Islam is ok with it. Who is this stupid woman complaining ... Let us talk /K for../M for..
Then he talk about H for well... Hotel???

What else he can say??

As a Person I think t... is a very decent person born in wrong religion. One that says my way or highway. I do not think he would do what every pakistani army high up think his birth right. Rape and get away.

I think you should stick to blaming Jay, and well.... right choice. Here he goes again and again... and again (I mean Jay)

BTW do you ever think FV, URS or the motely combi of this pures will ever think good of you. t.. can do nothing. He has already escaped.

Do not reply unless you get it... either way

Yogiraj

temporal:

some questions for you:

1) is jay`s last name really thackeray?

2) have noticed that you have been commenting on his remarks with as much sarcasm and dare i say disdain as perhaps i and a few people do with echoboom. the question i put to you is why don`t you just ignore the *#&^? what has happened to change that previous attitude of yours? and if you are battling ignorance as quixote battled windmills, then why is that not directed to more people on chowk, who are also ``deserving`` of it?

just curious. it`s not a defense of jay by any means. or angrily directed your way. but why just restrict your wit and aankheN maarna to those on whom little effect is made? khair the other side is that little effect is made on practically everyone here, including myself.

--ana

Riffat, long but nonetheless a really nice article. Thanks.

Probably, Pakistan`s best journlaist, Najam Sethi has the following to say about this issue:

Khakis & civilians: us versus them?
Najam Sethi’s E d i t o r i a l
TFT
Feb 18-24, 2005

Dr Shazia Khalid was raped on the premises of the Sui hospital where she worked. Her civilian colleagues and employer, no less than the military security institution tasked with site-protection, all actively connived to conceal the crime. The media was barred from talking to her. The local police was obstructed from investigation. The main accused, an army officer, was not detained and interrogated. Far from it. He was actually protected by his institution until the situation became untenable. Even now, the official military spokesman is mealy mouthed about the detention and interrogation of the accused.

Why wasn’t a thorough and transparent inquiry ordered swiftly at the highest level to establish guilt or innocence? If a civilian had been charged instead of an army officer, rightly or wrongly, the law would surely have taken its quick toll. But that’s not the way it works in our “democracy”. The military is innocent unless proven guilty and civilians are guilty unless proven innocent. Ask any wretched cop who has as much as dared to challenge a khaki on the road, and he will tell you that he got a black eye and a suspension from service for his efforts, thank you very much.

The issue, of course, is not about culpability or righteousness. It is about accountability. To be sure, the military is deadly serious about accountability and indiscipline within its ranks. But it is not prepared to submit to the rules of accountability by civilians in a democracy. Of all the specific accountability or ehtesaab laws framed in this country by civilian or military-controlled parliaments since 1995, every one explicitly excludes senior military officers from its ambit. The military insists its internal accountability mechanisms are sufficiently daunting for the purpose. This is true. But the same argument could be flogged for civil servants whose service rules are equally uncompromising. Yet the latter are fair game and the former are not for the National Accountability Bureau. And that is not just because NAB is a civilian outfit governed by civilian laws but headed by a military man. It’s because that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

The same sort of attitude is apparent in other areas of governance. When a civilian senator recently rose in the House to ask why the government had only now woken up to a violation of the Indus Waters Treaty by India over the Baglihar Dam when construction on the dam started way back in 2000, another senator, a military general and former DG-ISI to boot, castigated his colleague by accusing civilian governments of negligence while India had been engaged in constructing a couple of other controversial dams in the past. One might have thought that such a matter of national consequence should have been resolved without resorting to finger pointing, but no, Pakistan must be one of the unlucky few countries in the world where the “us versus them” civil-military syndrome is alive and kicking.

It is unfortunate that a national tragedy triggered by the collapsing dams in Balochistan in which hundreds of lives have been lost has not occasioned a ruthless accountability of the construction companies and engineers who built the dams as part of the federal government’s plans to open up the coastline and lay down the infrastructure of Gwadar. Surely it shouldn’t matter whether civilian contractor and military companies designed and built the dams. What matters is that they should be held publicly accountable for willful criminality. But nothing of the sort has been ordered. Instead, the president of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, has deemed fit to accuse the media of unnecessarily “playing up” the devastation in Balochistan and feeding its sense of deprivation. Of course, the allegation is totally misplaced. The media has in equal measure front paged the heroic efforts of the jawans and officers of the armed forces in shouldering the relief campaign, no less than the personal anguish and concern of the military president and civilian prime minister of Pakistan.

From the author

I may clarify

Originally, I intended to scribe just a short protest-note with reference to this tragic, shameful and horrible incident. Once I started writing, it became impossible to stop. The anger simply overwhelmed me and the result is in front of you.

Please, pardon me for submitting such a voluminous piece.

As a version of this letter was posted to several generals by ordinary mail as well, emphasis on the PR aspect was deliberate. Because, those perching on the top by the virtue of raw force alone may not care about legal or moral niceties, they still are quite concerned about their public image. Unfortunately, to a great extent Pak Army enjoys legal immunity in Pakistan. Reading them Constitutional provisions serves no purpose. These different comparisons and so on are thus meant to hit where it hurts not at all to belittle the subject matter.

Thanks for reading and writing your comments,

Riffat

I can understand the PR thing- the State has to APPEAR as being Just- but this misplaced emphasis upon the PR thing downplays the other important maxim of the Rule of Law that - the State HAS to be Just as well.
The elites have always tried to work on this APPEARANCE- but the current technology has ensured that there is enough information on the REALITY as it exists.
Let us face the reality that there CANNOT be any substitute to democratic institutions, Civil Liberties and supremacy of the Original Constitution over the Generals and their LFO-s!!!
Let us admit that the General is NOT better than the democratic order that has been murdered so often in Pakistan and no amount of pretense by these Generals can hide this reality! Only then Pakistan can think of moving ahead in the 21st Century!!

# 7:

mr jay (origami) thackeray

read # 4

and if you are comprehension challeged go back to an h for hotel school;)

rgds

t

Riffat,

You have nailed it on the head, for you the educated pakistani, Sui rape is a Pr disaster, reaffirming the belief that all that pakistan needs is better PR. This is the real tragedy of pakistan, the outcome of the k for kafir education. There is indo-israeli conspiracy in this, there is no PR issue in this, there is only truth.
IN pakistan rape is legal under the jirga system. Riffat, if you have any corrage of conviction, write on chowk why the sharia court has not struck down the honour killing laws, why killing of a woman is not a crime against the state. Police is bound to act only when the ``wali`` the owner of the woman complains. The owners of the women are father till she is married and husband after she is married and it is this legal system of pakistan that supports honour killing. tell the world that the only crime against the state in pakistan is blasphemy.

Riffat learn to tell the truth, there is PR distater in pakistan, it is only that the truth is finally coming out, despite the efforts of YLH, tahmed and temporal to hide it by attacking the meassenger.

#4 temporal

how about Pakistan Postal Service? Is anybody proud of them? How have they
done over the years?