Riffat Jahan March 16, 2005
#29 Posted by Urstruly on March 18, 2005 6:21:31 am
THANK YOU UNCLE SAM
After years of wars and aggression by neo-colonial powers finally Afghans are free, democratized, liberal and moderate. Most of all they all now have wholesome square meals everyday. This revolutionary diet has one core benefit that your eye sight never weakens. After all I have never seen horses and donkeys wearing glasses. Isn`t that proof enough.

Afghans eating bread made of oats and grass. yummy.


#28 Posted by aquaris on March 18, 2005 4:20:48 am
We all have heard the story of some one... who cut the same branch on which he was sitting.....
....I fail to understand...Why isn`t Military Government doing anything to...counter the.
numerous.....Allegations agains the very Insititution to which they belong...
Times and again we have seen the drastic results of US vs Them Syndrom ....(if the Fall of Bangladesh is any pointer)
There are insituations.... They Now Protect alleged rapist because he is one of them..
( The current issue...)
They are now turning into one of the Biggest Commercial Organization ....Fauji foundation
Taking All ( land, contracts, Bussinessess....Productions, etc...etc.etc......obviously because of its clout )
They give too hoots.... Even some of their Puppets... from the Civilian Ranks.... seems to be out growing his boots....
( the recent Arbab -- Sheikh tusstle or the Amir Liaqat Ali `s Fake Degree scandal )
The Wana and now Baluchistan Fiasco....0
... there are too many of such... incidents....and when such incidents... start appearing in the media... then it points to only One thing....... Water has crossed the Danger Mark....
and its now a RED alert situation...
....I don`t know.... about the real intention of the publisher...But South Asia Tribunes`s
Internet Editions have too many such stories....to be listed seperately... So I am just giving their URL to look for the Other and All stories...
www.satribute.com
#27 Posted by hnasir on March 18, 2005 3:33:45 am
The Friday Times is sadly no more free and required a paid subscription. Therefore, I am posting an in-detail and very fresh news item in full on this topic.
Shazia case: the mystery deepens
Hasan Mansoor
Almost two months after the rape, the press and the public know as little about the case as when the investigations had first begun
TFT
March 18 - 24, 2005
A report submitted by a judicial commission headed by a Balochistan High Court judge has failed to provide any new insights into the mystery surrounding Dr Shazia’s rape case. In fact, according to several independent observers in Balochistan and Sindh, the report may have been influenced by General Pervez Musharraf’s statement in which he declared innocent the army captain accused of rape.
“The fact that General Musharraf issued a statement declaring Captain Hammad of the Defence Security Guards (DSG) innocent before the judicial commission’s report was released shows that he was attempting to influence the inquiry,” a Quetta-based analyst told TFT.
“After such an intervention, the inquiry itself has become controversial. What I don’t understand is why the entire state machinery is struggling so hard to protect the culprits. There is definitely a huge, complex cover-up taking place,” he added.
Observers consider that the most glaring flaw of the judicial report is its failure to expose or give any indication of the culprit(s) involved in the rape. “Instead, most of the findings of the report as well as statements made by officials seem to indicate that the authorities want to punish the victim instead of the culprit,” Amanullah Kandrani, spokesman of the Jamhoori Watan Party (JWP), headed by Akbar Bugti, told TFT. “I think the report has no credibility because it is influenced by Islamabad.”
Analysts claim that some revelations of the commission’s report have actually led to doubts about the authenticity of what the report holds as “facts”. One of the most controversial and significant findings of the report is the discovery of “dried condoms” in the doctor’s house. Some officials of the Balochistan police told TFT they have received instructions from the top to investigate the presence of the condoms in the doctor’s house and find out evidence to substantiate the discovery.
“It is confusing that on the one hand the government refuses to provide any clear answers [regarding the case] itself or allow Dr Shazia to talk to the press and give her own answers while on the other hand it has publicly disclosed such controversial and leading information,” said an observer. “Clearly, this information [about the dried-condoms] can only harm Shazia and not help her case. Perhaps that is the establishment’s objective.”
Balochistan’s Inspector General Police Chaudhry Yaqub’s statement just before the official release of the commission’s report is also significant. Yaqub told reporters that Dr Shazia was unable to identify any suspects during an identity parade before a judicial magistrate where 11 suspects, including Captain Hammad, were brought to the line-up and asked to speak one by one. The doctor also failed to identify the voice of the rapist.
Observers believe that Yaqub’s statement was a precursor to the 17-page report of the judicial commission. “The drift can be seen in all official statements including those made by the Balochistan police chief. Everyone within and linked to the establishment is trying to defend the culprits, whoever they may be, and not the victim,” human rights activist Saeed Baloch told TFT.
Even the Balochistan governor’s premature statement that Dr Shazia’s gang-rape case “was false, its facts were concocted, and that it was being used by certain elements in Balochistan to undo the ongoing political dialogue” suggested irresponsible handling of the case.
According to Governor Owais Ghani, the report of the tribunal asked to probe the case was “revealing” and established three important facts: firstly, that the case was not one of gang rape because only one person was involved; secondly, the DNA tests of fresh and old condoms found in Dr Shazia’s house were identical; finally, the inner locks of the three entry gates including the outer gate to the doctor’s house were not broken but instead found intact.
“These facts make one wonder why Dr Shazia declined to register a case and failed to report the matter to police,” Ghani told reporters. “The government kept quiet and held investigations silently so that it would be able to reach conclusive facts. However, just because it [the government] was trying to remain impartial and keep its cool, it has received a great amount of negative publicity.”
Analysts feel that Ghani’s statement questioning the doctor for not getting the case registered with the police herself is provocative and uncalled for considering the sensitivity of the issue of rape. “Before trying to absolve the establishment by shifting the blame to the victim, the attitude of the government and the management of the Pakistan Petroleum Limited (PPL) should also be questioned,” said an analyst.
“The circumstances in which Dr Shazia was shifted from Sui to Karachi are shrouded in mystery and definitely show that the PPL administration was trying to cover-up the incident. In fact, PPL officials did not help the police contact the victim immediately after the incident either to examine her or to record her statement. Instead, Shazia was shifted to Karachi against police advice,” says an observer. He adds: “How does the establishment explain this?”
The commission’s report does not attempt to answer these and several other questions, including why Shazia was shifted from Sui to a psychiatry hospital in Karachi immediately after the rape. However, it does blame the PPL, the police and even Shazia for fudging facts and delaying registering of the correct report.
“Shazia was shifted to the Karachi hospital as an ‘acutely depressed and traumatised’ person for the treatment of a mental illness,” said an observer. “PPL officials who escorted her to the hospital tried to provide an incorrect medical history of the patient to the hospital. What motivated them to do this? Were they ordered to sweep the matter under the carpet, and if yes, who was calling the shots?”
In the absence of any conclusive information from the government, many rumours have begun to circulate about the culprits of the rape case. A recent report published in the right-wing Karachi-based newspaper Ummat claimed that the doctor was raped by some activists of the shadowy Balochistan National Army with the objective of exasperating the Pakistani government. “The absurdity of this statement is unquestionable,” said an observer. “However, considering the lack of information about the case, it is only natural that people have begun to speculate and such ludicrous rumours are doing the rounds.”
However, several reports released by independent groups have helped clarify aspects of the case that the government has failed to comment on so far. One such fact is that of the impossibility of outsiders walking into Shazia’s house inside the guarded PPL territory. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan in a report said: “The HRCP inquirers discovered that the PPL compound was fully guarded and secured. There was no possibility of outsiders entering the compound without being noticed by the security guards.”
With observers already wondering why Shazia was afraid to speak the truth while in Sui, after it was pointed out that it was almost impossible for an outsider to enter the housing compound where Shazia lived, another question the analysts have raised is whether Shazia’s rapist could actually be a PPL official and not someone from the armed forced.
The HRCP and Aurat Foundation have also criticised PPL authorities for trying to absolve themselves by shifting the blame to Shazia by giving statements criticising her delayed reporting of the rape. “All facts belie this claim,” said a joint statement of the HRCP and the Aurat Foundation. “None of the PPL employees rushed to the residence of Dr Shazia; on the contrary, with great difficulty, the victim dragged herself and went to knock at the doors of a nursing hostel close to her quarter. It is also on record that Dr Shazia informed another lady doctor, employed by the PPL, that she was raped,” read the statement.
“It is quite natural and normal in any society that a rape victim will disclose the crime in a discreet manner. The physical state, torn, stained clothes and bruises on Shazia’s body spoke for themselves and it took no time for PPL personnel present on the spot to realise that she had been raped. So obvious was her condition that she was asked to replace her torn and stained clothes with another set of clothes offered by the PPL officials, a move carried out in order to destroy evidence,” read the statement.
Another aspect of the case that observers have repeatedly questioned is why Shazia has been kept so far away from the press and the public. “The heavy security outside her apartment in Clifton, Karachi, clearly shows that she is not being allowed access to the outside world,” said an analyst. “Even the Balochistan High Court judge who recorded her statement did so at an undisclosed location and then returned to Quetta without many people finding out about the affair. Then Shazia herself was also taken to Quetta for the identification parade and the press was kept strictly out of the business.”
Sources say that Dr Shazia is no longer in Karachi and has been shifted to Islamabad where she is being kept at an undisclosed location. Family members of the rape victim told TFT that Shazia had agreed to leave for Canada and was waiting for a visa from the Canadian High Commission.
“It is surprising that the government should not insist that Shazia stay put at least until the case is solved,” said an observer. “The only reason that can explain the eagerness to see her leave is that it [government] plans to cold-storage the case after her departure. With Shazia out of the picture, the pressure would be off and everyone could live happily thereafter. Shazia’s departure from Pakistan will certainly make it easier for the government to hush-up the matter and perhaps even close the case entirely,” added an observer.
However, considering that the government seems unwilling to grant Shazia justice and that a jirga has declared her a kari and is trying to hunt her down, several observers also believe that it might just be better that Shazia make an exit from Pakistan. “Leaving Pakistan will save her dignity,” the secretary general of the Pakistan Medical Association (PMA), Dr Shershah Syed, told TFT. “But whether she leaves or stays put, she must be granted the justice she deserves.”
In fact, Shazia herself told an international news agency in a recent interview that living “freely” in Pakistan after the incident and being “accepted by society after what had happened” was not possible. “Even though I will not forget the incident for the rest of my life, maybe I can begin a new life abroad,” she said.
Shazia case: the mystery deepens
Hasan Mansoor
Almost two months after the rape, the press and the public know as little about the case as when the investigations had first begun
TFT
March 18 - 24, 2005
A report submitted by a judicial commission headed by a Balochistan High Court judge has failed to provide any new insights into the mystery surrounding Dr Shazia’s rape case. In fact, according to several independent observers in Balochistan and Sindh, the report may have been influenced by General Pervez Musharraf’s statement in which he declared innocent the army captain accused of rape.
“The fact that General Musharraf issued a statement declaring Captain Hammad of the Defence Security Guards (DSG) innocent before the judicial commission’s report was released shows that he was attempting to influence the inquiry,” a Quetta-based analyst told TFT.
“After such an intervention, the inquiry itself has become controversial. What I don’t understand is why the entire state machinery is struggling so hard to protect the culprits. There is definitely a huge, complex cover-up taking place,” he added.
Observers consider that the most glaring flaw of the judicial report is its failure to expose or give any indication of the culprit(s) involved in the rape. “Instead, most of the findings of the report as well as statements made by officials seem to indicate that the authorities want to punish the victim instead of the culprit,” Amanullah Kandrani, spokesman of the Jamhoori Watan Party (JWP), headed by Akbar Bugti, told TFT. “I think the report has no credibility because it is influenced by Islamabad.”
Analysts claim that some revelations of the commission’s report have actually led to doubts about the authenticity of what the report holds as “facts”. One of the most controversial and significant findings of the report is the discovery of “dried condoms” in the doctor’s house. Some officials of the Balochistan police told TFT they have received instructions from the top to investigate the presence of the condoms in the doctor’s house and find out evidence to substantiate the discovery.
“It is confusing that on the one hand the government refuses to provide any clear answers [regarding the case] itself or allow Dr Shazia to talk to the press and give her own answers while on the other hand it has publicly disclosed such controversial and leading information,” said an observer. “Clearly, this information [about the dried-condoms] can only harm Shazia and not help her case. Perhaps that is the establishment’s objective.”
Balochistan’s Inspector General Police Chaudhry Yaqub’s statement just before the official release of the commission’s report is also significant. Yaqub told reporters that Dr Shazia was unable to identify any suspects during an identity parade before a judicial magistrate where 11 suspects, including Captain Hammad, were brought to the line-up and asked to speak one by one. The doctor also failed to identify the voice of the rapist.
Observers believe that Yaqub’s statement was a precursor to the 17-page report of the judicial commission. “The drift can be seen in all official statements including those made by the Balochistan police chief. Everyone within and linked to the establishment is trying to defend the culprits, whoever they may be, and not the victim,” human rights activist Saeed Baloch told TFT.
Even the Balochistan governor’s premature statement that Dr Shazia’s gang-rape case “was false, its facts were concocted, and that it was being used by certain elements in Balochistan to undo the ongoing political dialogue” suggested irresponsible handling of the case.
According to Governor Owais Ghani, the report of the tribunal asked to probe the case was “revealing” and established three important facts: firstly, that the case was not one of gang rape because only one person was involved; secondly, the DNA tests of fresh and old condoms found in Dr Shazia’s house were identical; finally, the inner locks of the three entry gates including the outer gate to the doctor’s house were not broken but instead found intact.
“These facts make one wonder why Dr Shazia declined to register a case and failed to report the matter to police,” Ghani told reporters. “The government kept quiet and held investigations silently so that it would be able to reach conclusive facts. However, just because it [the government] was trying to remain impartial and keep its cool, it has received a great amount of negative publicity.”
Analysts feel that Ghani’s statement questioning the doctor for not getting the case registered with the police herself is provocative and uncalled for considering the sensitivity of the issue of rape. “Before trying to absolve the establishment by shifting the blame to the victim, the attitude of the government and the management of the Pakistan Petroleum Limited (PPL) should also be questioned,” said an analyst.
“The circumstances in which Dr Shazia was shifted from Sui to Karachi are shrouded in mystery and definitely show that the PPL administration was trying to cover-up the incident. In fact, PPL officials did not help the police contact the victim immediately after the incident either to examine her or to record her statement. Instead, Shazia was shifted to Karachi against police advice,” says an observer. He adds: “How does the establishment explain this?”
The commission’s report does not attempt to answer these and several other questions, including why Shazia was shifted from Sui to a psychiatry hospital in Karachi immediately after the rape. However, it does blame the PPL, the police and even Shazia for fudging facts and delaying registering of the correct report.
“Shazia was shifted to the Karachi hospital as an ‘acutely depressed and traumatised’ person for the treatment of a mental illness,” said an observer. “PPL officials who escorted her to the hospital tried to provide an incorrect medical history of the patient to the hospital. What motivated them to do this? Were they ordered to sweep the matter under the carpet, and if yes, who was calling the shots?”
In the absence of any conclusive information from the government, many rumours have begun to circulate about the culprits of the rape case. A recent report published in the right-wing Karachi-based newspaper Ummat claimed that the doctor was raped by some activists of the shadowy Balochistan National Army with the objective of exasperating the Pakistani government. “The absurdity of this statement is unquestionable,” said an observer. “However, considering the lack of information about the case, it is only natural that people have begun to speculate and such ludicrous rumours are doing the rounds.”
However, several reports released by independent groups have helped clarify aspects of the case that the government has failed to comment on so far. One such fact is that of the impossibility of outsiders walking into Shazia’s house inside the guarded PPL territory. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan in a report said: “The HRCP inquirers discovered that the PPL compound was fully guarded and secured. There was no possibility of outsiders entering the compound without being noticed by the security guards.”
With observers already wondering why Shazia was afraid to speak the truth while in Sui, after it was pointed out that it was almost impossible for an outsider to enter the housing compound where Shazia lived, another question the analysts have raised is whether Shazia’s rapist could actually be a PPL official and not someone from the armed forced.
The HRCP and Aurat Foundation have also criticised PPL authorities for trying to absolve themselves by shifting the blame to Shazia by giving statements criticising her delayed reporting of the rape. “All facts belie this claim,” said a joint statement of the HRCP and the Aurat Foundation. “None of the PPL employees rushed to the residence of Dr Shazia; on the contrary, with great difficulty, the victim dragged herself and went to knock at the doors of a nursing hostel close to her quarter. It is also on record that Dr Shazia informed another lady doctor, employed by the PPL, that she was raped,” read the statement.
“It is quite natural and normal in any society that a rape victim will disclose the crime in a discreet manner. The physical state, torn, stained clothes and bruises on Shazia’s body spoke for themselves and it took no time for PPL personnel present on the spot to realise that she had been raped. So obvious was her condition that she was asked to replace her torn and stained clothes with another set of clothes offered by the PPL officials, a move carried out in order to destroy evidence,” read the statement.
Another aspect of the case that observers have repeatedly questioned is why Shazia has been kept so far away from the press and the public. “The heavy security outside her apartment in Clifton, Karachi, clearly shows that she is not being allowed access to the outside world,” said an analyst. “Even the Balochistan High Court judge who recorded her statement did so at an undisclosed location and then returned to Quetta without many people finding out about the affair. Then Shazia herself was also taken to Quetta for the identification parade and the press was kept strictly out of the business.”
Sources say that Dr Shazia is no longer in Karachi and has been shifted to Islamabad where she is being kept at an undisclosed location. Family members of the rape victim told TFT that Shazia had agreed to leave for Canada and was waiting for a visa from the Canadian High Commission.
“It is surprising that the government should not insist that Shazia stay put at least until the case is solved,” said an observer. “The only reason that can explain the eagerness to see her leave is that it [government] plans to cold-storage the case after her departure. With Shazia out of the picture, the pressure would be off and everyone could live happily thereafter. Shazia’s departure from Pakistan will certainly make it easier for the government to hush-up the matter and perhaps even close the case entirely,” added an observer.
However, considering that the government seems unwilling to grant Shazia justice and that a jirga has declared her a kari and is trying to hunt her down, several observers also believe that it might just be better that Shazia make an exit from Pakistan. “Leaving Pakistan will save her dignity,” the secretary general of the Pakistan Medical Association (PMA), Dr Shershah Syed, told TFT. “But whether she leaves or stays put, she must be granted the justice she deserves.”
In fact, Shazia herself told an international news agency in a recent interview that living “freely” in Pakistan after the incident and being “accepted by society after what had happened” was not possible. “Even though I will not forget the incident for the rest of my life, maybe I can begin a new life abroad,” she said.
#26 Posted by temporal on March 18, 2005 12:12:47 am
jay sahib:
you say in #23:
...There is no law in Pakistan.... There is no public legal process,…sui rape is … an exposure of the fundamental lawlessness of pak society… he personally attacks me.
i continuously expose your single issue hatred … i do not attack you for saying above… if you were not so blinded by your hatred you would have noticed long time ago i have been saying sterner things about absence of law and order in Pakistan…why do you think you are labeled jay thackeray?
and
… the temporals of pakistan, struggle in kashmir is a human rights issue. They cover the jihadis with the human rights glow. By attacking me, temporal supports the author and asserts that sui rape is a PR issue, not an issue of rotting core of pak society.
this is another one of your umpteenth case of twisted logic…your origami is paper thin my friend...you are frothing around the mouth just like your twin echoboom in his many avatars...
rgds
t
you say in #23:
...There is no law in Pakistan.... There is no public legal process,…sui rape is … an exposure of the fundamental lawlessness of pak society… he personally attacks me.
i continuously expose your single issue hatred … i do not attack you for saying above… if you were not so blinded by your hatred you would have noticed long time ago i have been saying sterner things about absence of law and order in Pakistan…why do you think you are labeled jay thackeray?
and
… the temporals of pakistan, struggle in kashmir is a human rights issue. They cover the jihadis with the human rights glow. By attacking me, temporal supports the author and asserts that sui rape is a PR issue, not an issue of rotting core of pak society.
this is another one of your umpteenth case of twisted logic…your origami is paper thin my friend...you are frothing around the mouth just like your twin echoboom in his many avatars...
rgds
t
#25 Posted by ballukhan on March 17, 2005 11:03:46 pm
Re: # 7
``Riffat learn to tell the truth, there is PR distater in pakistan, it is only that the truth is finally coming out, despite the efforts of YLH, tahmed and temporal to hide it by attacking the meassenger.``
The denial mode is still on.....just like in the casting couch story of the Indian Film and TV Industry!!!
``Riffat learn to tell the truth, there is PR distater in pakistan, it is only that the truth is finally coming out, despite the efforts of YLH, tahmed and temporal to hide it by attacking the meassenger.``
The denial mode is still on.....just like in the casting couch story of the Indian Film and TV Industry!!!
#24 Posted by H-Ikram on March 17, 2005 10:07:46 pm
The mishandling of the Sui incident by military authorities was, to use the phrase that Napoleon`s foreign minister Talleyrand is often credited with coining, ``worse than a crime; it was a blunder.``
And it was so casually mishandled because of just one painful fact: for the time being unavailability of viable instruments to take army to task.
I have definitely no love lost for any lousy BLA but one thing they must try to do. Direct their rockets exclusively to generals’ palaces. Attacking and killing poor foot soldiers serve no purpose. These miskeens are as hapless, oppressed and subjugated as rest of 80 % Pakistanis. BLA should target only the exploiting layer: generals, top politicians, and their families. Why killing and maiming each other and ordinary souls.
#23 Posted by jay on March 17, 2005 10:00:25 pm
subedar,
That is precisely what I am talking about, a little bit parethetical. There is no law in pakistan, as you say, if a woman is raped the military will deal with it. There is no public legal process, the military will deal with it. This is unique to pakistan, in every other country, there is a legal process, carried out by the law enforcrmrnt agencies.
I knew one pakistani, his relative was shot dead by a major in pak army, no police will even register a case.
What I get annoyed by the ilks of temporal is that he pretends and strut around like a moderate educated pakistani, but when I point out that sui rape is not a PR disater, it is an exposure of the fundamental lawlessness of pak society he personally attacks me.
This is no different from the general approach of the educated. It is the hard core laskers who are attacking the kashmiris, they are jihadists who want to talibanise kashmir, introduce hoododd in kashmir, but the temporals of pakistan, struggle in kashmir is a human rights issue. They cover the jihadis with the human rights glow.
By attacking me, temporal supports the author and asserts that sui rape is a PR issue, not an issue of rotting core of pak society.
That is precisely what I am talking about, a little bit parethetical. There is no law in pakistan, as you say, if a woman is raped the military will deal with it. There is no public legal process, the military will deal with it. This is unique to pakistan, in every other country, there is a legal process, carried out by the law enforcrmrnt agencies.
I knew one pakistani, his relative was shot dead by a major in pak army, no police will even register a case.
What I get annoyed by the ilks of temporal is that he pretends and strut around like a moderate educated pakistani, but when I point out that sui rape is not a PR disater, it is an exposure of the fundamental lawlessness of pak society he personally attacks me.
This is no different from the general approach of the educated. It is the hard core laskers who are attacking the kashmiris, they are jihadists who want to talibanise kashmir, introduce hoododd in kashmir, but the temporals of pakistan, struggle in kashmir is a human rights issue. They cover the jihadis with the human rights glow.
By attacking me, temporal supports the author and asserts that sui rape is a PR issue, not an issue of rotting core of pak society.
#22 Posted by Subedar on March 17, 2005 4:54:47 pm
Dear Readers, let me tell you people an un-biased truth on the basis of empirical evidence and long personal experience, once again.
It is rare rather extremely rare that a crime like gang-rape is condoned in Pak army. Even rarer still is for it to be encouraged or pardoned. Misdemeanour of this enormity simply doesn’t go unpunished - severely.
Sans celestial reasons, it is totally impossible that an ordinary captain would have shielded in this manner by the army whatever the merit of case might have been. In normal circumstances, a mere accusation would have been more than enough for the top brass to make the rascal weep for the rest of his life. I would rather claim that it is not probable that in analogous circumstances the army would have taken long to take even a brigadier - without extra-ordinary contacts at the top - to task let alone a petty captain.
Taking the pretty junior rank in account, ruling out any reasonable possibility of the captain sitting atop highly confidential information with devastating consequences for the upper strata if revealed, the only explanation left is that this abominable captain is a three-to-four star beta. To put it in colloquial language: for getting your Miranda rights read out on national TV, unprecedented VVIP treatment one must be a son of some senior general, preferably a serving one, and son-in-law of yet another three to four-star officer.
This implies the proud father and the worthy father-in-law working in concert blocking all punitive steps against their evil sapoot and pathetically deflecting the ever-increasing demands for justice. And to save the four-star family in question, the top command is forced to put the entire country on fire.
You know, in normal conditions, despite umpteen shortcomings of the generals, it is highly unlikely that they would have jeopardized the very existence of Pakistan as a nation state and with that their own lucrative fiscal interests. Our generals can be anything but not poor businessmen - by any standard.
I mean, if not patriotism, it is a question of self-interest and self-preservation for them to sort this nasty mess out at the earliest. In the absence of some very compelling reasons generals would have not allowed a captain to further sully the already badly battered image of their institution.
Inconceivable then that not even a single general have thus far resisted the mishandling of the gory incident. So we are stuck for the time being with the disgrace of Sui, which will forever be a stain on the history of Pakistan, like the East Pakistan tragedy, referendums and accountability drives.
At some point the whole shameful tale of this exercise in extreme human degradation must be told. The true face of the main accused, his family lineage and the real reasons behind this massive cover-up must be exposed - NOW.
Hence, I would request all reporters, journalists and readers to dig out the exact bio-data of this captain and make it public. It would be a true jihad fi sabilillah. Anyone who knows something about him and his family must come forward and share it with the nation. If wrong, this theory ought to be refuted by the quarters concerned.
Thanks,
#21 Posted by temporal on March 17, 2005 1:43:19 pm
jay:
spoken like a true tunnel-visioned brother abdul-hate
coming to tea on sunday? bring brother echoboom too
rgds
t
spoken like a true tunnel-visioned brother abdul-hate
coming to tea on sunday? bring brother echoboom too
rgds
t
#20 Posted by jay on March 17, 2005 1:30:55 pm
yogiraj,
A woman is raped in Sui, no one is arrested, the president of the country says that the military is not invoved, he also says that the culprit should be hung. A very educated person, the author of this article says that the events point to a PR failure for the govt. All of the other pakistanis, like temporal agrees with this as indicated by his silence.
I point to this retrograde mindset that prevents any improvement in pak society. Well I have no hate, I am indignant. To me education means something, it means an ability to see through the sharade, a kind of a commitment to be objective, and to point out this fundamental meaning of education to the elites of pakistan.
May be you also agree that the issue in pakistan is one of PR failure, not that of the rule of law. Well you also belong to the species, homo erectus pakistanicus. Be temporals guest.
A woman is raped in Sui, no one is arrested, the president of the country says that the military is not invoved, he also says that the culprit should be hung. A very educated person, the author of this article says that the events point to a PR failure for the govt. All of the other pakistanis, like temporal agrees with this as indicated by his silence.
I point to this retrograde mindset that prevents any improvement in pak society. Well I have no hate, I am indignant. To me education means something, it means an ability to see through the sharade, a kind of a commitment to be objective, and to point out this fundamental meaning of education to the elites of pakistan.
May be you also agree that the issue in pakistan is one of PR failure, not that of the rule of law. Well you also belong to the species, homo erectus pakistanicus. Be temporals guest.
#19 Posted by temporal on March 17, 2005 12:26:40 pm
ana:
see what have you done? abdul hate is frothing;)
see what have you done? abdul hate is frothing;)
#18 Posted by echoboom on March 17, 2005 11:54:39 am
#14-Good book covers Urstruly!
This belongs here as well. A warning of the times ahead for munaafiques , Zanees , sharaabees, Haraamkhores, and rishvatkhores of Pakistan. It really doesn`t matter if they are in uniform or out of uniform.
No wonder then Mukhtar Mai & Shazia cases happen in Paki-land.
In Pakistan Zaanis [adulterers], and zanabiljabrees[rapists],Sharaabees (drinkers), Haraamkaars(corrupt),rishvatkhores(bribe-takers) and such `moderate` and `enlightened` typesget support from cantonements & civil-lines.
Hence the westernised scum will continue their baighairat andbayhayaa lifestyle and delude themselves into believing that they aresomewhat `educated``.
``If you do it in english, it must be great``--the totaa mainaas conclude.
And then there is IRAN!Where Islamic justice, Sharia justice is dispensed to such vile creatures.
Iran`s `desert vampire` executed

The condemned collapsed twice during the pre-execution flogging
An Iranian serial killer who murdered at least 20 children has been executed in front a large crowd of spectators.
Mohammad Bijeh, 22, dubbed ``the Tehran desert vampire`` by Iran`s press, was flogged 100 times before being hanged.
A brother of one of his young victims stabbed him as
he was being punished. The mother of another victim was asked to putthe noose around his neck.
The execution took place in Pakdasht south of Tehran, near where Bijeh`s year-long killing spree took place.
The killer was hoisted about 10 metres into the air by a crane and slowly throttled to death in front of the baying crowd.
Hanging by a crane - a common form of execution in Iran
- does not involve a swift death as the condemned prisoner`s neck is not broken.
Calm and silent
This belongs here as well. A warning of the times ahead for munaafiques , Zanees , sharaabees, Haraamkhores, and rishvatkhores of Pakistan. It really doesn`t matter if they are in uniform or out of uniform.
No wonder then Mukhtar Mai & Shazia cases happen in Paki-land.
In Pakistan Zaanis [adulterers], and zanabiljabrees[rapists],Sharaabees (drinkers), Haraamkaars(corrupt),rishvatkhores(bribe-takers) and such `moderate` and `enlightened` typesget support from cantonements & civil-lines.
Hence the westernised scum will continue their baighairat andbayhayaa lifestyle and delude themselves into believing that they aresomewhat `educated``.
``If you do it in english, it must be great``--the totaa mainaas conclude.
And then there is IRAN!Where Islamic justice, Sharia justice is dispensed to such vile creatures.
Iran`s `desert vampire` executed

The condemned collapsed twice during the pre-execution flogging
An Iranian serial killer who murdered at least 20 children has been executed in front a large crowd of spectators.
Mohammad Bijeh, 22, dubbed ``the Tehran desert vampire`` by Iran`s press, was flogged 100 times before being hanged.
A brother of one of his young victims stabbed him as
he was being punished. The mother of another victim was asked to putthe noose around his neck.
The execution took place in Pakdasht south of Tehran, near where Bijeh`s year-long killing spree took place.
The killer was hoisted about 10 metres into the air by a crane and slowly throttled to death in front of the baying crowd.
Hanging by a crane - a common form of execution in Iran
- does not involve a swift death as the condemned prisoner`s neck is not broken.
Calm and silent
#17 Posted by bilal843 on March 17, 2005 11:25:58 am
````As a bare minimum Mr. Musharraf should have come on the national TV in his uniform and said something like: “Being father of a daughter myself, I can understand, very well, the unbearable agony the victim and his family must be going through. At the moment, I am not in position to have an opinion about the culpability of my officer. I can neither guarantee the innocence of the accused nor am I aware of the grade of his involvement. The crime is however so serious that there is absolutely no room for any leniency. We have taken the person in question in custody. He will remain there until and unless we can either prove him guilty or absolve him of any wrongdoing beyond every reasonable doubt. We will leave no stone unturned to deliver justice – no matter who the perpetrators are. Trust me - I will not let you down. ”
No, no, nothing of the sort, either from the Army House or the Presidency. Gentleman residing over there is perhaps too busy making and breaking political alliances. ‘Unity of command’ and uniform seemingly failed to incite ‘patriotism’ or stimulate ‘conscience’ when it needs. Actually, what really perturbs me is my deep-held belief that Mr. Musharraf as an individual is a benevolent and compassionate guy. He did take proper and personal notice of the gory incident in Meerwala. This time around, his indifference, his silence is perplexing. ````
why musharaf cant come in front of media and say all above things.....
the reason is he himself has taken adopted an illegal way to take hold of the governement ...
general saab talks about enlightened, democaratic and moderate pakistan.. and women of the nation are raped and and the accused are not even taken into police custody...
Mr. President please set an example....
No, no, nothing of the sort, either from the Army House or the Presidency. Gentleman residing over there is perhaps too busy making and breaking political alliances. ‘Unity of command’ and uniform seemingly failed to incite ‘patriotism’ or stimulate ‘conscience’ when it needs. Actually, what really perturbs me is my deep-held belief that Mr. Musharraf as an individual is a benevolent and compassionate guy. He did take proper and personal notice of the gory incident in Meerwala. This time around, his indifference, his silence is perplexing. ````
why musharaf cant come in front of media and say all above things.....
the reason is he himself has taken adopted an illegal way to take hold of the governement ...
general saab talks about enlightened, democaratic and moderate pakistan.. and women of the nation are raped and and the accused are not even taken into police custody...
Mr. President please set an example....
#16 Posted by ana on March 17, 2005 11:06:16 am
temporal:
i think jay prakash`s attitudes and hate are visible enough without referring to him as thackeray don`t you? one doesn`t need to be a bal thackeray to hate. one could easily remain a jay prakash. and the same goes for those who refer to all muslims as abdul and christians as bible-thumpers. just an observation. you are entitled to do whatever satisfies you, as does everyone here.
and perhaps some credit should be given to the intelligence of chowkies, although i do get your point.
as for the recent avatars of echobum, you mean those two cross-gender nicks are also his?! hai hai!
--ana
i think jay prakash`s attitudes and hate are visible enough without referring to him as thackeray don`t you? one doesn`t need to be a bal thackeray to hate. one could easily remain a jay prakash. and the same goes for those who refer to all muslims as abdul and christians as bible-thumpers. just an observation. you are entitled to do whatever satisfies you, as does everyone here.
and perhaps some credit should be given to the intelligence of chowkies, although i do get your point.
as for the recent avatars of echobum, you mean those two cross-gender nicks are also his?! hai hai!
--ana
#15 Posted by temporal on March 17, 2005 9:53:47 am
ana:
1: it is jay prakash
2: jay prakash aka mr. know-it-all, jay thackeray, a few other knee-jerkers and farangi, hamzadafaqui, chusni, echoboom and two or three recent avatars of him are the abdul hates that crawl on this site...it is fun (and a jihad like obligation) to expose their my-way-or-the-highway silliness for the unwary and unsuspecting chowkies
lve
t
ps: yogiraj bhai i have to go back to the infamous k for...school to comprehend your post
1: it is jay prakash
2: jay prakash aka mr. know-it-all, jay thackeray, a few other knee-jerkers and farangi, hamzadafaqui, chusni, echoboom and two or three recent avatars of him are the abdul hates that crawl on this site...it is fun (and a jihad like obligation) to expose their my-way-or-the-highway silliness for the unwary and unsuspecting chowkies
lve
t
ps: yogiraj bhai i have to go back to the infamous k for...school to comprehend your post
#14 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2005 8:59:31 am
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