Sui Incident: A PR Disaster

bibi aap kis duniya maiN rehti haiN?

kya aapkO pata nahiN her kaam Allah ki marzi say hota hay?

maaf kijia`aye ghalti hogaee...allah ki jagah fauj likh diji`aye

Can we blindly trust the narration of Mr. Akbar Bugti?


Why the heck not? You do it when you quote unproven allegations by the likes of Geelain against the Indian army in Kashmir?

(insert sauce goose cliche here)...

Mr. temporal #1: I think sir that this article deserves something more than a cynical remark from you. It is well written and makes a good point. And, despite your obvious implication to the contrary, it is not the Law of God that there should be no accountability in Pakistan. And so the author makes a very good point in comparing Pakistan with the way governments of more civilized countries react to such abominations. Pakistanis who stand up for some standards of accountability in the country, like the author of this article, are the true heroes of our country. They deserve encouragement, not cynical remarks.

tahmed32 #

sirji, thank you for affording this opportunity to explain what was left unsaid;)

this writer has the firm and unshakeable conviction that as long as the the country is army occupied no long range good can ever evolve...it is simply not in their interest!

at the bare minimum a country needs some institutions that are totally independent and do not shake and blow at the whim of some dandawala ... the prolonged army occupation has shaken...nay ruined the very institutions that are necessary for nation building and nation-function...

as an exercise i might ask a simple query...can we name one institution there that is left intact and we can be proud of?

rgds

t

ps: bibi if my comments hurt, pls. ignore...humari nayyat saaf thee

This is the umpteenth article on the case.

You compared it to a Swedish case. This is Why there are long queues outside their embassies and people risk lives and fortunes to end up in the West.

Articles like these won`t shame the Pakis (rulers and their chamchas) into being better humans. They are thick skinned pigs. Their frustration stems from the `interfernce` of the western media that doesn`t allow them to dismiss such cases with the earlier non chalance.

Mukhtaran bibi`s attackers have been freed and have gone back to the village.

#4 temporal

how about Pakistan Postal Service? Is anybody proud of them? How have they
done over the years?

Re: # 7
``Riffat learn to tell the truth, there is PR distater in pakistan, it is only that the truth is finally coming out, despite the efforts of YLH, tahmed and temporal to hide it by attacking the meassenger.``

The denial mode is still on.....just like in the casting couch story of the Indian Film and TV Industry!!!

Riffat,

You have nailed it on the head, for you the educated pakistani, Sui rape is a Pr disaster, reaffirming the belief that all that pakistan needs is better PR. This is the real tragedy of pakistan, the outcome of the k for kafir education. There is indo-israeli conspiracy in this, there is no PR issue in this, there is only truth.
IN pakistan rape is legal under the jirga system. Riffat, if you have any corrage of conviction, write on chowk why the sharia court has not struck down the honour killing laws, why killing of a woman is not a crime against the state. Police is bound to act only when the ``wali`` the owner of the woman complains. The owners of the women are father till she is married and husband after she is married and it is this legal system of pakistan that supports honour killing. tell the world that the only crime against the state in pakistan is blasphemy.

Riffat learn to tell the truth, there is PR distater in pakistan, it is only that the truth is finally coming out, despite the efforts of YLH, tahmed and temporal to hide it by attacking the meassenger.

# 7:

mr jay (origami) thackeray

read # 4

and if you are comprehension challeged go back to an h for hotel school;)

rgds

t

I can understand the PR thing- the State has to APPEAR as being Just- but this misplaced emphasis upon the PR thing downplays the other important maxim of the Rule of Law that - the State HAS to be Just as well.
The elites have always tried to work on this APPEARANCE- but the current technology has ensured that there is enough information on the REALITY as it exists.
Let us face the reality that there CANNOT be any substitute to democratic institutions, Civil Liberties and supremacy of the Original Constitution over the Generals and their LFO-s!!!
Let us admit that the General is NOT better than the democratic order that has been murdered so often in Pakistan and no amount of pretense by these Generals can hide this reality! Only then Pakistan can think of moving ahead in the 21st Century!!

From the author

I may clarify

Originally, I intended to scribe just a short protest-note with reference to this tragic, shameful and horrible incident. Once I started writing, it became impossible to stop. The anger simply overwhelmed me and the result is in front of you.

Please, pardon me for submitting such a voluminous piece.

As a version of this letter was posted to several generals by ordinary mail as well, emphasis on the PR aspect was deliberate. Because, those perching on the top by the virtue of raw force alone may not care about legal or moral niceties, they still are quite concerned about their public image. Unfortunately, to a great extent Pak Army enjoys legal immunity in Pakistan. Reading them Constitutional provisions serves no purpose. These different comparisons and so on are thus meant to hit where it hurts not at all to belittle the subject matter.

Thanks for reading and writing your comments,

Riffat

Riffat, long but nonetheless a really nice article. Thanks.

Probably, Pakistan`s best journlaist, Najam Sethi has the following to say about this issue:

Khakis & civilians: us versus them?
Najam Sethi’s E d i t o r i a l
TFT
Feb 18-24, 2005

Dr Shazia Khalid was raped on the premises of the Sui hospital where she worked. Her civilian colleagues and employer, no less than the military security institution tasked with site-protection, all actively connived to conceal the crime. The media was barred from talking to her. The local police was obstructed from investigation. The main accused, an army officer, was not detained and interrogated. Far from it. He was actually protected by his institution until the situation became untenable. Even now, the official military spokesman is mealy mouthed about the detention and interrogation of the accused.

Why wasn’t a thorough and transparent inquiry ordered swiftly at the highest level to establish guilt or innocence? If a civilian had been charged instead of an army officer, rightly or wrongly, the law would surely have taken its quick toll. But that’s not the way it works in our “democracy”. The military is innocent unless proven guilty and civilians are guilty unless proven innocent. Ask any wretched cop who has as much as dared to challenge a khaki on the road, and he will tell you that he got a black eye and a suspension from service for his efforts, thank you very much.

The issue, of course, is not about culpability or righteousness. It is about accountability. To be sure, the military is deadly serious about accountability and indiscipline within its ranks. But it is not prepared to submit to the rules of accountability by civilians in a democracy. Of all the specific accountability or ehtesaab laws framed in this country by civilian or military-controlled parliaments since 1995, every one explicitly excludes senior military officers from its ambit. The military insists its internal accountability mechanisms are sufficiently daunting for the purpose. This is true. But the same argument could be flogged for civil servants whose service rules are equally uncompromising. Yet the latter are fair game and the former are not for the National Accountability Bureau. And that is not just because NAB is a civilian outfit governed by civilian laws but headed by a military man. It’s because that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

The same sort of attitude is apparent in other areas of governance. When a civilian senator recently rose in the House to ask why the government had only now woken up to a violation of the Indus Waters Treaty by India over the Baglihar Dam when construction on the dam started way back in 2000, another senator, a military general and former DG-ISI to boot, castigated his colleague by accusing civilian governments of negligence while India had been engaged in constructing a couple of other controversial dams in the past. One might have thought that such a matter of national consequence should have been resolved without resorting to finger pointing, but no, Pakistan must be one of the unlucky few countries in the world where the “us versus them” civil-military syndrome is alive and kicking.

It is unfortunate that a national tragedy triggered by the collapsing dams in Balochistan in which hundreds of lives have been lost has not occasioned a ruthless accountability of the construction companies and engineers who built the dams as part of the federal government’s plans to open up the coastline and lay down the infrastructure of Gwadar. Surely it shouldn’t matter whether civilian contractor and military companies designed and built the dams. What matters is that they should be held publicly accountable for willful criminality. But nothing of the sort has been ordered. Instead, the president of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, has deemed fit to accuse the media of unnecessarily “playing up” the devastation in Balochistan and feeding its sense of deprivation. Of course, the allegation is totally misplaced. The media has in equal measure front paged the heroic efforts of the jawans and officers of the armed forces in shouldering the relief campaign, no less than the personal anguish and concern of the military president and civilian prime minister of Pakistan.

temporal:

some questions for you:

1) is jay`s last name really thackeray?

2) have noticed that you have been commenting on his remarks with as much sarcasm and dare i say disdain as perhaps i and a few people do with echoboom. the question i put to you is why don`t you just ignore the *#&^? what has happened to change that previous attitude of yours? and if you are battling ignorance as quixote battled windmills, then why is that not directed to more people on chowk, who are also ``deserving`` of it?

just curious. it`s not a defense of jay by any means. or angrily directed your way. but why just restrict your wit and aankheN maarna to those on whom little effect is made? khair the other side is that little effect is made on practically everyone here, including myself.

--ana

``#12 by ana on March 17, 2005 6:29am PT
temporal:

some questions for you:

1) is jay`s last name really thackeray?

2) have noticed that you have been commenting on his remarks with as much sarcasm and dare i say disdain as perhaps i and a few people do with echoboom. the question i put to you is why don`t you just ignore the *#&^? what has happened to change that previous attitude of yours? and if you are battling ignorance as quixote battled windmills, then why is that not directed to more people on chowk, who are also ``deserving`` of it?

just curious. it`s not a defense of jay by any means. or angrily directed your way. but why just restrict your wit and aankheN maarna to those on whom little effect is made? khair the other side is that little effect is made on practically everyone here, including myself.

--ana ``

NO. t is what he is doing. Balancing act. When something becomes un-defencible he must act as patriot.

Jay will show him a face he does not want to see. For example Sui.. Dr.. Jirga.. Mai..Koran.

Jay will show him.. You can go and not only rape but get away with well...I for Islam is ok with it. Who is this stupid woman complaining ... Let us talk /K for../M for..
Then he talk about H for well... Hotel???

What else he can say??

As a Person I think t... is a very decent person born in wrong religion. One that says my way or highway. I do not think he would do what every pakistani army high up think his birth right. Rape and get away.

I think you should stick to blaming Jay, and well.... right choice. Here he goes again and again... and again (I mean Jay)

BTW do you ever think FV, URS or the motely combi of this pures will ever think good of you. t.. can do nothing. He has already escaped.

Do not reply unless you get it... either way

Yogiraj

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ana:

1: it is jay prakash

2: jay prakash aka mr. know-it-all, jay thackeray, a few other knee-jerkers and farangi, hamzadafaqui, chusni, echoboom and two or three recent avatars of him are the abdul hates that crawl on this site...it is fun (and a jihad like obligation) to expose their my-way-or-the-highway silliness for the unwary and unsuspecting chowkies

lve

t

ps: yogiraj bhai i have to go back to the infamous k for...school to comprehend your post