unflinching idealism ... since 1997 archivessitemapabouthelpfeedback
ideas, identities and interactions
  • Home
  • InFocus
  • Themes
  • Columns
  • Articles
  • Fiction
  • iLogs
  • Gallery
  • Unplugged
  • Writers
  • Interactors
  • Tags
Sign in | Join Chowk
web chowk
  • Article
  • Interact
  • read writer comments
  • add to favorites
  • get rss feeds
  • print
  • email this link

A Rapist-Friendly System

Nauman Nisar March 7, 2005

Latest comments   flat   threaded   latest   oldest   all
listing 32-48   1 2 3

#6 Posted by hamidm2 on March 8, 2005 7:49:51 pm
urstruly,

......... thanks for your explanation - now i am really ashamed of being a muslim !........... you see, i am not as shameless as echo thinks ..........
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#5 Posted by Urstruly on March 8, 2005 7:01:58 pm

hamidm

Don`t be amazed. Islamic law is not based on equality but on equity. It is a social contract between different members of the society. The main clause of this social contract is that, in principle, Islamic law does not apply to non-Muslims. Now there are two types of non-Muslims:

1. People of the book and that includes Jews, Christians, Zorthostorians, and Hindus (the matter with Hindus is too controversial though). In this case these people are given autonomy to formulate their own laws based on their own values as they come from their books.

2. Non-Muslims, who are not of category#1, such as pagans, animists etc.. They are governed by the law that the Islamic government deems fit for them and it must be commensurate with the societal norms of the Muslim society.

Whether belonging to Category # 1 or #2 these people are exempt from any Islamic law such as law of Hudood or Islamic law of inheritence or non-interest based business etc. However, this exemption ends when they are dealing with a Muslim counterpart. In that case, the Islamic law supercedes any other. That is the reason when a non-Muslim man rapes a Muslim woman, the minimum punishment meted out to the rapist is the capital punishment.


teshah

pehle tolo phir bolo.
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#4 Posted by hamidm2 on March 8, 2005 4:24:37 pm
urstruly,

......... are you serious when you state that the death penalty can be imposed on a rapist when `` The rapist is a non-Muslim and he rapes a Muslim woman.`` ?????

........ is that fair ?........... what happened to equal rights under the law ???......... now you are really making me ashamed of being a muslim ! .......... how would you feel if they had a separate set of laws for muslims in flint ? ........... i am sure you would go crying to michael moore if that ever happened !
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#2 Posted by Urstruly on March 8, 2005 6:05:57 am

I have no faith in system of injustice in Pakistan, therefore, at one level I am glad that the Supreme Court overturned the original rulings of the kangroo courts such as the Anti-Terrorist Courts. I am against the Capital Punishment in Pakistan for the reasons of expediency since no one has faith in the charade called judicial system in Pakistan. Pakistan should have a moritorium on capital punishment until the judicial system is reformed to a reasonable level and public faith is restored in it.

In addition, under Islamic law, the Capital punishment cannot be applied in the case of Rape. Rape does not fall into the category of Hadud law, therfore, in principle the Ta`azeer punishment for this crime should be less severe than the hadud. There are only two cases when death penalty can be imposed on a rapist:

1. The rapist is a non-Muslim and he rapes a Muslim woman.

2. The rapist is Muslim and he voluntarily confesses that he had committed an act of rape. He must be given at least three chances to recant from his confession then if he is married he must be stonned to death in public place and if he is single he is flogged with 80 leashes on his back in a public place.
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#1 Posted by harish_hyd on March 8, 2005 5:18:54 am
Mukhtar Mai`s plight is truly heart-rending. All Pakistanis must come out in her support. Only then can justice be served.
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#3 Posted by teshah on March 8, 2005 4:11:17 pm
Re: # 1

`In addition, under Islamic law, the Capital punishment cannot be applied in the case of Rape. Rape does not fall into the category of Hadud law, therfore, in principle the Ta`azeer punishment for this crime should be less severe than the hadud`.

What is this `Ta`azeer punishment`? Do you mean courts have discretion to switch over to any law if the Allah`s law, i.e., Hadood, does not work. Does not Allah say that those who adjudicate under a law other than the one prescribed by Him are `Fasik`, `Fajir` and what not?
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
listing 32-48   1 2 3

Interact Index

    #38 Mhmd
    #37 hammadqureshi
    #36 ntsyed
    #34 irfanhamid
    #33 hamidm2
    #32 bbabu
    #31 bbabu
    #30 bbabu
    #29 Urstruly
    #28 hamidm2
    #27 Urstruly
    #26 hamidm2
    #23 einsteinwallah
    #25 Urstruly
    #22 bbabu
    #21 jay
    #24 Urstruly
    #20 Urstruly
    #19 hamidm2
    #35 teshah
    #18 Urstruly
    #17 Urstruly
    #16 hamidm2
    #15 Urstruly
    #14 einsteinwallah
    #13 indikad75
    #10 einsteinwallah
    #9 einsteinwallah
    #8 jay
    #7 ana
    #11 Urstruly
    #12 hamidm2
    #6 hamidm2
    #5 Urstruly
    #4 hamidm2
    #2 Urstruly
    #1 harish_hyd
    #3 teshah

Also by Nauman Nisar

  • Uproar over a Cartoon?
  • Homecoming of Zardari
  • Pakistan Political Roulette
more »

Similar Articles

  • Fight Hudood, Protect Women Beena Sarwar
  • First, Honor Thyself Jawahara Saidullah
  • Celebrity Courts and Kangaroo Justice Farzana Versey
  • Boot-in-Mouth Shakir Husain
  • Because He Couldn’t Get It Up! Azra Rashid
more »

US Elections 2008 Primaries

  • Hillary Clinton a Better Presidential Candidate
  • Leaders, Heroes and Mountains
  • Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and New American Dreams
  • Pakistan Elections 2008 - An analysis
  • Political Issues Ahead of Pakistan Elections
more »
get rss feed Get Chowk RSS Feed

Get Chowk Newsletter

Latest Interacts

  • HP: Nuke are no guarantees... The Correct Turn
  • stuka: TAhmed: HP is gassing... The Correct Turn
  • HP: America Shocked to Learn... The Correct Turn
  • tahmed32: #HP: the nuclear weapon... The Correct Turn
  • chaltahai: wait..pakistan has a navy????... The Correct Turn
  • stuka: Faruk: Agreed on the... The Correct Turn
  • stuka: Indians are not going... The Correct Turn
  • Faruk: re: stuka #80 Kashmir... The Correct Turn

THEMES

  • Pakistan's Struggle for Democracy
  • The Indian Story
  • Indo-Pak Relations
  • Personal Narratives
  • Religion Today
  • War on Terror
  • Role of Media
  • Call for Social Change
  • Hold Them Accountable
  • Environment and Us
  • Way of Life
more »

Top 5 Articles This Week

  • Popular
  • G-8: RIP?
  • The Correct Turn
  • Urdu News Columnists and Anchors -- should we always believe them?
  • Politics of PPP and Asif Zardari
  • Thought for Food and Food for Thought
  • Featured
  • There are a Lot of Monkeys
  • White Charade
  • Words of a Woman
  • FOX News and the Smelly Shoes
  • Dilemmas of Creative Children
  • 10 Years Ago
  • Cash for Vote
  • Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make Me a Match
  • A Conversation with Dr. Ali Hussain Rajput
  • Flowers Once Grew Here, You Know
  • Daddy’s Girl

Write on Chowk Interact Guidelines Privacy policy Terms Contact

Copyright © 1997 - 2008 chowk.com. All Rights Reserved
Reproduction of material on any www.chowk.com pages without prior written permissions is strictly prohibited