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An Iranian Exile in Sambhalpur

Harish Nambiar March 14, 2005

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#36 Posted by KaalChakra on March 20, 2005 8:43:45 pm
re: HP # 35

Although I have no association with RSS, VHP, or any other assorted religious organizations, I will be happy to address at least some of your concerns. My vision of Hinduism is very different from that of RSS etc. Yet within the narrow confines Islam-Hinduism debate, my brand of Hinduism will be quite indistinguishable from theirs, except that my views are openly designed to eliminate the long-term hold of Islam on my native country.

I will pick one, since this is of signficant interest to me, and to many other Hindus - the issue of Shuddhi.

There is an absolute need to launch an all out, all-India, shuddi program aimed at reclaiming all Hindus lost to Islam during the period of Islam`s military victories on our peoples. This shuddhi program, directed specifically and exclusively against Islam, is totally reasonable, rational, and absolutely necessary for the benefit of Hindus, both current and ex.

Any Hindu or Muslim, who ever organized, funded, or supported any shuddhi program to reduce the role of Islam within India was and must be recognized as amongst the greatest of Hindu heroes, benefactors, and saviors.

This is not a RSS view or VHP view, or at least not only theirs.
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#35 Posted by HP on March 19, 2005 12:51:50 am

``The idea of a `clash of civilisations` goes against the grain of our civilisation. [Ours is] a land of diversity where modern democracy has come to be built on the notion of pluralism and inclusiveness. Admittedly, there are those even among us who do not share this syncretic view of India. They not only believe in the `clash of civilisations` but wish to encourage it.``
- Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh speaking at the HT Leadership Initiative.

“I do wonder what the extremist wing of the BJP-RSS thinks about this. In particular, I am intrested in seeing radical cleric`s Modi and Togadia views on the subject. Perhaps some BJP supporters might want to weigh in with their views, if they have managed to solve the mess that their party`s leadership is in.”

http://o3.indiatimes.com/thenote/archive/2004/11/15/24463.aspx

I don’t know how the RSS/BJP and rest of the sangh pariwar would respond to the question above but what I do know is that Hindu revivalism is based on its hatred for Muslims in India. It is kind of strange that the Hindu revivalism actually took hold when the Brits were fully in control of India and the Muslims rule was almost history besides the token Mughal King in Red Fort Delhi.
Raja Rammohan Roy (1772-1833) the founder of Brahmo Samaj, was the founder of the hindu nationalism and he was followed by Dayananda-Saraswati who openly raised the slogan ‘India for the Hindus.’ According to him, Hinduism was to be the sole religion of the sub-continent, and the Hindus its sole masters. The Muslims were foreigners and must be pushed out. He was also the founder of “Shuddhi” movement or individual conversion of Muslims to Hindu faith.
The founder of Hindutva Veer Savarkar was I guess right behind the other two leaders who also believed in one religion and one culture for India. What this all says is that the hatred for Muslims in India is not something that happened after the partition but the there is no doubt now that the partition happened because of open hatred that some Hindu groups showed against the Muslims. The intensity of this hatred has increased manifold since the partition, as it is evident from the fact that even the lowliest placed Hindu in the India society refuse to communicate with Muslims in public life as was the case with hasina begum in post #3. The Indian educated middleclass fully subscribes to Hindutva. What that really means is that Muslims, as Muslims have no future in India. They will continue to be scorned and made scapegoats for the failure of the majority community to uplift the country from the utter helplessness that the poor have been placed into


“According to 1991 nationwide census., Muslims constitute 12.60 percent of the total Indian population. However, the representation of Muslims in the parliament, state legislatures, administrative services, armed forces, police and para military forces, educational institutions and the private and public sectors is far below their proportion. The percentage of the Muslims in the civil and foreign services is less than a quarter of their population. According to a white paper, prepared by All India Milli council (AIMC) and presented to Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral, on the performance of Indian Union during last 50 years, there were only 116 Muslims out of a total of 3883 administrative officers (2.98%), 45 out of 1433 police service officers (3.14%) and 57 out of 2159 foreign service officers (2.64%). In central government, Muslims constitute 1.6% of all class I officers, 3.9% of all class II officers and 4.4% of the technical supervisory staff. According to an official report prepared by Dr. Gopal Singh Committee, there is a marked disparity between Hindus and Muslims in economic, social and educational field. The committee’s report based on a sample survey of 80 districts across the country, found that there were only 92 Muslims out of 2698 students in Engineering colleges. The number of Muslim students in the MBBS course in 8 universities of eight states was only 98 out of 2895.”
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/India/imuslims.html


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#34 Posted by HN on March 18, 2005 10:31:32 pm
Tupac,

It is good that you connect...:)

amrita,

Thanks! I thought you were on a sabbatical like BeeJay.... Thanks to chowk editors, the installments are being spaced out now. It is true about narrative writing, and I am told penguin etc are looking for narrative non-fiction writing in India lately.

HN



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#33 Posted by harimau on March 18, 2005 8:12:15 pm
Ref HP #26

[The US government makes the right call. This person should be confined to India where he is a celebrity for killing or plotting to kill minorities.

US denies visa to Indian Gujarat CM]

This has placed the ``secular`` leftists of India in a quandary.

They don`t know whether to applaud the US for trying to punish a Hindutva-wadi or to condemn it for insulting India.

Poor secularists! I feel so sad for them!
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#32 Posted by harimau on March 18, 2005 4:28:27 pm
Ref HP #26

[A report ordered by the Congress-led coalition government said in January that the Godhra train fire resulted from a cooking-related accident or from burning cigarette butts and absolved Muslims on the rail platform from blame that sparked bloody riots in Gujarat in 2002, when up to 2,000 Muslims were killed.]

a) This specific report that was a SECOND inquiry ordered by Lallu Prasad Yadav, the Railways Minister, was produced just in time for the Bihar elections. It didn`t help the Congress or Lallu in Bihar. It didn`t help the Congress or Lallu in Jharkhand. It was almost immediately contradicted by the earlier commission that is stioll working on its report.

b) The report on the New Delhi riots where 3000+ Sikhs were killed after Indira Gandhi`s well-justified assassination that has been submitted to the Central government has not been published as promised by Manmohan Singh the Neutered.

It is obvious that secularism as defined by HP, Harish Nambiar, Amrita Rajan, Sadhna, Dost-Mittar, etc., is:

a) Electing Congress and its left-wing cronies to power, if necessary by propping up one or more of the Nehru clan.

b) Killing Hindus by Muslims and Sikhs by Hindus.

c) Ensuring India is subservient to China while decrying any efforts at a rapproachment with the US.
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#31 Posted by temporal on March 18, 2005 12:41:04 pm
tupac:

i remember reading about your travails during the aftermath...forgive hazy memory but i recall posting emails, yours or your friends` here...

what came off it?

if not here you can email my address is in the profile)

rgds

t
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#30 Posted by amrita on March 18, 2005 9:58:00 am
Harish - this was worth waiting for. Again, this hit on a number of personal nerves, which was wonderful. It`s struck me for the longest time that there is a dearth of Indian writers (and artists in general) who can record or feel like recording the past 20 years as an active participant. Not as a victim or as a social conscience or as a parody but as a person who simply lived the time. I`m thoroughly enjoying this series. :)
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#29 Posted by Tupac on March 18, 2005 9:36:42 am
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#28 Posted by dost_mittar on March 18, 2005 3:51:12 am
HN:
Thanks, and sorry for distracting attention from your wonderful write-up.

rahul-capri:

I fully agree with you in general on not bringing externalities into the debate on Indian secularism. But in this piece, the central character is an Iranian who has left his home country to live not in neighbouring Pakistan, with which his country has strong historical, cultural, linguistic and sometimes even marital links but an obscure town in Orissa. One would naturally want to know, why?

That said, knowing chowk, I should have refrained from the comment which has distracted discussion from this nice piece.


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#27 Posted by BeeJay on March 18, 2005 1:57:04 am
Reply to #24, #25, #26 by HP:

Dear HP:

I just looked for the first time at your interactor page - the one with the animated graphic, and I believe the graphic essentially captures the spirit of all of your posts: (1) hides its true face, (2) dances around issues, (3) goes all over the place but not really anywhere.

In order to be of help, I am providing the following short summary list which you can copy and paste in all your future posts to convey your message more economically:

(1) Hello, I am HP. (2) I like to talk a lot. (3) The Hindus are at fault here. (4) The Hindus are at fault everywhere on everything. (5) I have no solution (what is that?). (6) See you again (and again).

You are welcome.

Sincerely,
BeeJay

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#26 Posted by HP on March 18, 2005 12:07:46 am

The US government makes the right call. This person should be confined to India where he is a celebrity for killing or plotting to kill minorities.

US denies visa to Indian Gujarat CM
(Updated at 1245 PST)
NEW DELHI: The United States has revoked a visa for hardliner Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi, who has been accused of complicity in a Muslim massacre, the US embassy said on Friday.

Modi, chief minister of India`s western Gujarat state, was also denied a diplomatic visa as he was ``not coming for a purpose that qualifies for a diplomatic visa,`` an embassy statement said.

The controversial politician was to visit the US this month at the invitation of a Gujarati-dominated hotel owners` association.

A report ordered by the Congress-led coalition government said in January that the Godhra train fire resulted from a cooking-related accident or from burning cigarette butts and absolved Muslims on the rail platform from blame that sparked bloody riots in Gujarat in 2002, when up to 2,000 Muslims were killed.



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#25 Posted by HP on March 17, 2005 11:44:45 pm

India presents a unique case where after fifty-seven years of Independence and total control of all branches of government, the majority community still claims that the minority community is victimizing it. Mind you, the 12% minority is behind the majority community in every conceivable economic, education, jobs, or prosperity indicators.

How is that possible that majority community still feels victimized? Well! In the area of make-believe world, that Indian middle class lives in, it is not only possible but it is happing every day. Minority is victimizing the majority and the poor majority has no way to stem the tide! Only in India!

Some gripes against the minority community:

The minority is eating all the resources by using the hajj subsidies. The minority has its own laws. The minority has its vote bank and if any party approaches the minority for vote that party is appeasing the minority, it is playing the vote bank game! If somebody raises voice about the true ghetto like living condition of the minority- that person is pseudo-secularist, or pinko, and many more supposedly derogatory terms.

For the last 57 years, only one community is in control of India and so far, this majority community has failed to resolve its own problems and when the issue of extreme communalism and treatment to minority and lower caste is raised in Indian context, some of majority community start looking for balancing factors!

There is no doubt that the majority community is passing the buck in blaming the minority community of it is own failures!

Whose fault is that that for the first 47 years of its independence, India chased the mirage!
Answer: The minority community.

Whose fault is that that for the last 57 years India has failed to provide adequate livelihood to 750 million of its population?(If 200-250 million are middle class, then rest of 750-800 million are poor- simple math!)
Answer: The minority community.

That is just a partial list. The irony is that the minority community is also blamed for its backwardness as if the majority community is providing all the resources to the minority to move out of ghettoes.

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#24 Posted by HP on March 17, 2005 11:37:23 pm

There seems to be a tendency in some here to avoid unpleasant facts about India. If they have to, they will attempt to whitewash it as much as they can. First, it was oh! it only happened in Gujarat and rest of the India is fine. When facts point out another state, the answer is oh! It is only two states and cannot be extrapolated to whole India. Well! The undeniable truth is that communalism is an ALL India problem and it is not just two states but it is pretty much all states in the union. Cursory look at all major Indian states would reveal that communal parties are in power or are the second largest political group. Yes, we can make some exceptions in some southern Indian states but Kerala seems to be getting there and if the Indian society fails to respond to it fast, whole country would fall under the communal parties.

Look at Bihar, UP, Jhakarkand, Maharashtra, MP, Gujarat, Orissa, Punjab, Haryana, and Rajasthan just to name a few states that I can think of right now. In all these states, the communal political parties BJP/RSS either are in control along with its natural allies like VHP, RSS, Hindu Maha Sabha, Bajarang Dal or Shive Sena or are viable groups to form the next govt. Just a year ago, BJP/RSS alliance was in control of the central govt.

With this situation in hand, why would some body even pretend that India is NOT a communal society or a society that is getting ready to have Ram Rajya or Hindu rajya in the near future?



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#23 Posted by HN on March 17, 2005 8:34:38 pm
dost,

I understand what you are saying. However, my intention for choosing this form on this theme was to essentially making an argument with the usual arsenal. The way you put it makes good material for the argument on secularism, if I am merely pushing that idea alone. I am trying to make thi8s more multi-hued than an opinion piece where clarity of thought is of paradigm importance. Here, what I am trying to achieve is a more crowded, more colourful and complex world, created through my perspective, of course. This world is the matrix where this entire fight of secularism versus ciommunalism is going on.

And, while the ideological points have been taken on various points on the line, right, left, centre, and left and right away from the centre. Those arguments tend to deliver dead points, which is why we can individually carve out all counterpoints the ``other`` will make against an arguement one favours.

There is a limitation to merely point scoring debates. Like, in the South Asian context, the debate on nuclear issue is by now a foregone conclusion. No South Asian talks of the experience of being nuked!

On communalism, that is not so. We all experience it on a daily basis. The idea is to present the complexity of ``daily`` life, where the debate is a live thing, as opposed to the ``dead`` transaction of known positions. I do not know if this clarified the point. In anycase your point has been taken up by more able practitioners of the trade!

Thanks.

ana,

I am waiting for your comments, whenever you finish the second read. That said, the Persian accent when speaking Hindi would generally be most obvious in the softening of the harsher consonants. The J and Z thingy in the Urdu versus Hindi speaker`s debate equivalent, perhaps. This is more pronounced in harsher sounds like T for Tata....:)


Puyu,

Thank you. I am overwhelmed. And do stay...:)

rahul_capri,

You are my very competent literary lawyer. I had a tough time respoding to dost, after you covered the ground so clearly and with brewity to boot! :)


harimau,

As we Hindus say, maybe I was a Shia in the last birth! Thanks for arriving here though.

rozaiba,

``ligering sense of spookiness,``....:)

The debate ....may it rage on!

HN


HN



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#22 Posted by rahul_capri on March 17, 2005 4:02:39 pm
#16 dost-mittar I see your point.Only, I think that any perspective that has to come in an analysis about secularism has to be to pay equal attention to all slights to secularism, not just by the Hindu right.Including different countries to the mix could make the canvas too wide to make any relevant analysis.
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#21 Posted by dost_mittar on March 17, 2005 1:56:19 pm
bucaphelus#19:

You are right. I should have used ``one`` instead of ``I`` there. Thanks.
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#20 Posted by BeeJay on March 17, 2005 1:07:51 pm

Dear Bucaphelus: (but don’t take that adjective literally)

DM-jee is one of the more sober individuals on this site, for whom I happen to have immense respect (although, I am fairly new here (and also, as I said earlier elsewhere, why anyone would cool their heels in frigid Canada is beyond me, but that is not what we are discussing here)). Hence, my earlier advice to him to go cold turkey on “VHP-type” individuals (perhaps including yourself- the “Bucaphelus”) who, as most of the world knows, are incapable of being weaned off anything, so strongly are you intoxicated with your own poisonous rhetoric! The difference is that he has not given up hopes even for individuals like you. Although some of the following fine arguments may be incapable of penetrating through to you, let me try anyway. This is how I understand it:

1) he is well aware of every little point you may have in your quiver.
2) he has experienced the trials and traumas of partition first hand, unlike most of your kind.
3) he holds no grudges and still sees hope for reconciliation.
4) he even holds the hope that people like you can be reasoned with. For that alone, he should be awarded some kind of medal!

Sincerely,
BeeJay

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#19 Posted by bucaphelus on March 17, 2005 11:17:29 am
#16 dost-mittar:

``I do want to wean these undecided people away from the hindutva brigade and I wont be able to do so if I lose my credibility with them.``

1. if you think you can achieve any grand strategic objective by writing stuff on chowk, you are not very bright.
2. besides, you are dumb enough to declare the objective openly.

you sure are an arty-farty e-lite intellectual.
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#18 Posted by dost_mittar on March 17, 2005 8:34:53 am
BeeJay:

``DM jee, I think your real identity is one of the worst kept secrets of this site, because even a newbie like me can figure it out!``

My nick is not an attempt to hide my identity. Some of the chowkies are my personal friends.
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#17 Posted by BeeJay on March 17, 2005 7:30:39 am

#16, Dost-Mittar to Rahul_Capri

I can not resist interjecting myself into this discussion between these two old Chowk chums.

[I thought that both of us have been at chowk long enough for you to know my opinion on that issue.]
What is going on here? Next thing we know, you guys will be communicating telepathically!

[These people are not ignoramuses, they do know what is happening both in and outside India.]
Based on many, many years of first-hand observation, I could have sworn otherwise!

[I do want to wean these undecided people…]
My recommendation is to go cold turkey!

Side comment: DM jee, you need to be very careful in how you formulate your discussions with Rahul. He has figured out the ultimate weapon (the Brahm-astra) which he can utilize to win any argument. You see, he can always throw Chhayawaad (some shadowy stuff) at you, leaving the bravest of individuals groping for words, while simultaneously making them land on their tushes.

Side-side comment: DM jee, I think your real identity is one of the worst kept secrets of this site, because even a newbie like me can figure it out!

Sincerely,
BeeJay.
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#16 Posted by dost_mittar on March 17, 2005 4:43:01 am
rahul-capri:

``Secondly, even if he was writing about secularism in India or the treatment of minorities in India, what perspective is to be gained if he tallks about how minorites are treated in Islamic countries?``

I agree with you that for India and Indians, the benchmark is not an islamic society. And there is no question of justifying what happens in India based on what happens in another country; for that matter, there is no justification for what is done to one community in India based on what is done by the members of that community in another place. I thought that both of us have been at chowk long enough for you to know my opinion on that issue.

However, when writing a piece like Harish has written, one needs to keep in mind who the target audience is? If the target audience is like-minded people, I have no problem with this approach, but then one is simply preaching to the converted. But if the target audience is the english-speaking people who are not firmly in one camp or the other, then I do have some problem. These people are not ignoramuses, they do know what is happening both in and outside India. If one is perceived to be not balanced in one`s reporting, he or she would be considered unfair and therefore lose credibility in their eyes. The moment one loses one`s credibility, one loses one`s power to influence. I do want to wean these undecided people away from the hindutva brigade and I wont be able to do so if I lose my credibility with them.
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#15 Posted by rozaiba on March 17, 2005 4:07:46 am
Hard-hitting ending. Kept on reminding me of the movie Mr. and Mrs. Iyer with that lingering sense of spookiness.
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#14 Posted by harimau on March 16, 2005 9:17:29 pm
Ref dost-mittar #8

[...this is the difference between your and my kind of writing. While I would have been equally and perhaps even more severe in my criticism of the hindutva hoodlums, I would have also highlighted the plight of the non-muslim in an islamic state to provide a balanced perspective.]

Wow! How wonderfully equal-handed!

Instead of that, how about highlighting the fact that a Muslim minority in a non-Islamic state dared to attack the followers of the majority religion? And asking what would drive them to do it?

That WOULDN`T be secular now, would it?
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#13 Posted by harimau on March 16, 2005 9:14:17 pm
[In the first three days after Godhra, 400 Muslims were butchered, 179 of them in Ahmedabad alone. The ratio of Muslim versus Hindu deaths in police firing was a numbing 6:1, 42 Muslims and seven Hindus. And this was what had already happened by the time we left Vapi.]

Yo Harish, why only talk about the first three days AFTER Godhra? Why not Godhra itself? There the score was 62 Hindus to 0 Muslims. If the ratio of 6:1 is numbing, how would you describe the ratio of 62:0?

Are you Shia by any chance? You know, those guys are known for beating themselves bloody with chains and knives on Moharram. You seem to be revelling in self-bloodletting just like those guys.
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#12 Posted by rahul_capri on March 16, 2005 7:56:40 pm
dost-mittar #8
I would have also highlighted the plight of the non-muslim in an islamic state to provide a balanced perspective
First of all the power of Harish`s pieces lie in the fact that he is talking about people ; and thats why he has come across as so objective.He was not looking for any story about secularism; but he did not keep away from it, if it came across from the people he met. Secondly, even if he was writing about secularism in India or the treatment of minorities in India, what perspective is to be gained if he tallks about how minorites are treated in Islamic countries?This kind of perspective that cuts across time and space always obfuscates the subject being discussed.
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#11 Posted by MaheshG2 on March 16, 2005 3:43:42 pm

#3,

So you read about Orissa and Gujarat and generalized to whole of India. I hope that made you happy.

Anything to propagate any notion of minority mistreatment in India.
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#10 Posted by puyu on March 16, 2005 7:58:55 am
Harish,

I came to chowk through a poem of yours and pieces like this make me linger on!
Thank you!
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#9 Posted by ana on March 16, 2005 5:39:55 am
harish,

i`ve read through this once, but wanting to read through it again before i give a response that makes sense. but since it`s early morning and i`m still reeling from the fact that i got a perfect score on my farsi written exam, i`d be interested in hearing what an iranian sounds like when they speak hindi. my best friend who is iranian laughs at me sometimes when i speak farsi as if i was speaking urdu/hindi/punjabi. :)

more later. . hopefully. this has been a wonderful read.
--ana
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#8 Posted by dost_mittar on March 16, 2005 4:47:34 am
Thanks for the information HN.

BTW this is the difference between your and my kind of writing. While I would have been equally and perhaps even more severe in my criticism of the hindutva hoodlums, I would have also highlighted the plight of the non-muslim in an islamic state to provide a balanced perspective.
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#7 Posted by Prashant??? on March 15, 2005 11:02:21 pm
Whether the Indian society is divided on communal lines or not , is debatable , and varies from case to case , region to region , person to person....but certainly not for a Paki to judge. Most countries are divided in one way or another. Even US is divided along the lines of race/religion/ethnicity. Every society is polarised one way or another. That cannot be avoided. But what is important is to ensure that there is no discrimination by the state or by law on basis of religion , race or ethnicity.

But is must be said that the root of all communal polarisation is Islam. In any secular country , as soon as muslims cross a certain threshold of population , they create problems. This is visible in Europe in countries like Holland , France and UK . In US , we all know what the Americans think of em` rag heads.
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#6 Posted by HN on March 15, 2005 5:34:34 pm
t,

Regarding tokens...as Veeresh would say...our tokens are better than your tokens! Thanks for liking the writing.

BeeJay,

Hey...such blasphemous thought will never cross my mind...though Rohan would easily think of it...were you to be mean! Thanks for staying with the journey.

HP,

Orissa is quite a scary place with regard to the VHP. What gives impetus to such work in this state is that being a predominantly tribal state, there is a fertile ground for resentment to be fanned. The missionaries are pretty active among the tribals. So what happens is any joker with a Hindu name can tap into the VHP gravy train, and mobilise what they call a significant lot to seek political prominence. First through noteireity, and then, perhaps through political legitimisation through elections. Of course, the success rate is abysmall small for that route, but like in everything in India, job applicants are galore!


patwari,

Yeah, looks like this is going to be a book alright. It already is. Though publication is another matter! Thanks for the kind words.

dost,

Taraz`s father was some high official in the energy ministry in Iran. It seems after the revolution, the new regime asked him to convert to Islam if he wanted to stay in the job. He refused, lost the job, but also refused to leave the country. But his children were sent away to India early on, to study. And they were encouraged NOT to return, and make a life away from Iran. This is what I remember. Sima`s case towas something similar. It boiled down to them being unable to rise in society in Iran, without yielding to the pressure to convert.

HN

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#5 Posted by dost_mittar on March 15, 2005 2:11:40 pm
Harish:
Nice to see you return seamlessly to the theme. I would have liked to read a bit more about Taraz`s reasons for leaving Iran and then choosing India.
Keep going!
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#4 Posted by patwari on March 15, 2005 1:13:00 am
Harish Gee, any plans to turn these essays into a book someday? I think its good idea and sure it has cross your mind.
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#3 Posted by HP on March 14, 2005 10:35:30 pm

“and for the tabloid size paper that meant a day’s entire coverage was to be recorded in The Daily as a 600-word story.
The chief reporter chose me as the executioner of the worst editorial decision”

After reading this long reportage/travelogue, I must say that you did not use that training well! :)

It took me awhile to read this but I am glad I did. Traveling hundreds of miles on the back seat of a bike is not my idea of fun especially in India, where road conditions are horrible. India highways are nothing more than one lane roads shared with all kind of vehicular or animal driven traffic.
Before reading this travelogue, I knew nothing about Orissa. Therefore, I did some Google search. Lo and behold! I find out that this Indian state is number two, right behind Gujarat in experimenting and creating a model for ``Hindu Rajya”.

When I begin to read about communal problems and how RSS/VHP/BJP are working to create the model for Ram Rajya, I begin to think that all this talk of liberalism, progress, development, IT development and manufacturing is confined to a very small section of Indian union. Rest of the country is still mired in age-old prejudices and most of the talk about secularism is total BS. It is time that Indians begin to face the reality and do some introspection about this unparalleled bigotry in their society. A society that shuts out a major portion of its population from the economic progress, ignores and in India’s case, accepts bigotry at the highest level, despite all the big talk would eventually lose it. The USSR is the closest example of the gross negligence of basic human rights and despite their tall claims about humanitarianism, equality, and justice for all, they refused to look right under their nose and eventually lost one of the greatest movements in the history of mankind.

“Your god has no eyes. He cannot have a soul. Your god is violent, just like you are.’ A Hindu neighbour charges Hasina Begum. With her technician husband, Hasina`s is the only Muslim family in a housing society in a small town in Orissa. They relocated in 2003. Hasina and her husband are isolated with few acquaintances in the area. Geeta, a Hindu woman, befriended Hasina only to be confronted by others about such association with Muslims. Geeta slowly withdrew, saying. ‘We like you but we have to live in society here, do we carry you with us, or carry them? What choice do we have?’ Geeta and Hasina do not speak any more.”


The story of Hasina is no different that a clearly successful businessperson. Taraz is also cognizant of underlying dangers of living in a so-called secular society.

“But Taraz’s was a very delicate position. I did not think his Bahaism would be a strong enough fig leaf to protect him from Hindu rioters were a riot to happen in Sambhalpur. And his alliances with the secular, educated elite, and his leadership role in furthering a progressive worldview would expose him to the orthodoxy of enemies like the VHP. His religious identity that was so amorphous would make him an easy and soft target.

…Taraz would be the first enemy among the Hindu secular bulwark of Sambhalpur. Others would have their Hinduism to save them, but Taraz?”

Then I also read the story of a small Muslim village that has been surrounded by the Hindu villages and Muslims and their women are fearful of their lives, honor and property every moment of their lives.

“Subash Chouhan, state convenor for the Bajrang Dal, the paramilitary wing of Hindutva, claims, ``In the country, Orissa is the second Hindu rajya [state].”

“Today, the annual Jaganath Yatra and other Hindutva organised religio-nationalist spectacles continue across the state. Muslims, and adivasi and dalit groups connected to self determination movements in dissent to the Sangh Parivar, are afraid as thundering mobs engulf their villages.”


How could a society allow this kind of perversion and terrorism?


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#2 Posted by BeeJay on March 14, 2005 8:31:01 pm

Dear Mr. Harish Nambiar:

This piece is so beautifully written! You seem to really excel when you are “musing” instead of describing events.

Journalists, like most other folks, tend to block out unpleasant facts and thoughts, especially those they feel helpless about. Unfortunately, the nature of the job demands facing those same facts repeatedly.

On a lighter note, why do I suddenly get the feeling that many Chowkees (including perhaps myself) who were rather harsh on your last piece have developed cold feet, and are in fact suddenly, rather uneasily checking out the same feet for possible moistness, now that we understand what you do to them “in mind”!

P.S. I STILL feel very suspicious of your friend Rohan. The guy is not only into womanizing and boozing, he also appears to be quite devious. If I were you, I would dump him like a hot potato, that is, unless HE is paying the bills, in which case I would wait till he is finished doing what he is doing so well!

Sincerely,
BeeJay.

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#1 Posted by temporal on March 14, 2005 11:40:09 am
harish:

yaar you guys have more tokens than the other side!

as a writer the headlights are on here;)

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