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Temporal April 14, 2005
#27 Posted by epiphany on April 25, 2005 1:23:57 pm
Re: # 26
Temporal,
Well the metaphysical matter didn`t really entice me to drop in into my (or your) salad bowl. My schtick was to expound (or unexpound) your query with a sort of a satirical flavor to it and yet simultaneously keep it sweetly modest in portion.
Peace!
Temporal,
Well the metaphysical matter didn`t really entice me to drop in into my (or your) salad bowl. My schtick was to expound (or unexpound) your query with a sort of a satirical flavor to it and yet simultaneously keep it sweetly modest in portion.
Peace!
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#26 Posted by temporal on April 24, 2005 10:07:02 am
epiphany:
thanks for the effort!...and you skipped the metaphysical take on the query...fate, kismet etc...
the other path to tackle would have been to examine the set of possibilities thru the expectations angle...
...khair...our ripostes were reflective of there are no easy answers...you or i could have asked any query with similar results...
have a good day:)
rgds
t
thanks for the effort!...and you skipped the metaphysical take on the query...fate, kismet etc...
the other path to tackle would have been to examine the set of possibilities thru the expectations angle...
...khair...our ripostes were reflective of there are no easy answers...you or i could have asked any query with similar results...
have a good day:)
rgds
t
#25 Posted by epiphany on April 23, 2005 5:02:33 pm
Re: # 24
``will he/she/it (pick one) be there on time?``
First, for reasons of simplicity and opague clarity I`ll choose to leave the ``it`` out of the question and in the sack ...
hmmm ... but indeed you did ask me a difficult question, after all ... This means that to think of the answer, it will, for me, lead to a painfully pounding cortex plus the time minus the help ... however, let`s see ...
Typically, a person who arrives on time is a responsible individual with whom you have had an appointment earlier for him/her to reach where you need him/her to be. This person usually has a vested interested in meeting with you and the promise of a possible financial gain relating with your rendezvous with him/her. You wouldn`t probably think of this person being on time, too much; it will not be an emotional call for you so you may fret over his/her lateness (if he/she is late, which he/she probably won`t be) but you wouldn`t care too if he/she did.
The person you would really care about reaching there on time to meet with you would be the one you feel in a certainly non-neglectable emotional capacity towards. Considering that it is human nature for a people to take for granted the people in their lives who care for him/her inordinately. So this person will probably be late, too, and especially more so late if he/she doesn`t have a benefit, material or otherwise, involved in your meeting with him/her.
Now your father is too busy with work, fact, and mother is too busy untangling messed up lives of strangers, fact, they will also be late. The sister is worried about getting sown a perfect suit to impress the perfect guy, in her thoughts, fact, and the brother is busy with Sony play station and dressing himself up for hours in front of the mirror to hook up with pretty girls, fact too. So these people will not be on time, either.
The above is a satirical solution to your question, also pessimistic in jist. But nature is cosmologically pessimistic as when the physical existence starts to become a painful disease as one goes `down hill` or over a certain age. But this doesn`t mean life, or age, or nature are in any way bad or negative. And I also am not implying that pessimism, per se, is wrong or out to be outrighty avoided or derided to live a successful progressive `up hill`
life.
In essence, I can`t think of a viable answer to your question.
Peace!
``will he/she/it (pick one) be there on time?``
First, for reasons of simplicity and opague clarity I`ll choose to leave the ``it`` out of the question and in the sack ...
hmmm ... but indeed you did ask me a difficult question, after all ... This means that to think of the answer, it will, for me, lead to a painfully pounding cortex plus the time minus the help ... however, let`s see ...
Typically, a person who arrives on time is a responsible individual with whom you have had an appointment earlier for him/her to reach where you need him/her to be. This person usually has a vested interested in meeting with you and the promise of a possible financial gain relating with your rendezvous with him/her. You wouldn`t probably think of this person being on time, too much; it will not be an emotional call for you so you may fret over his/her lateness (if he/she is late, which he/she probably won`t be) but you wouldn`t care too if he/she did.
The person you would really care about reaching there on time to meet with you would be the one you feel in a certainly non-neglectable emotional capacity towards. Considering that it is human nature for a people to take for granted the people in their lives who care for him/her inordinately. So this person will probably be late, too, and especially more so late if he/she doesn`t have a benefit, material or otherwise, involved in your meeting with him/her.
Now your father is too busy with work, fact, and mother is too busy untangling messed up lives of strangers, fact, they will also be late. The sister is worried about getting sown a perfect suit to impress the perfect guy, in her thoughts, fact, and the brother is busy with Sony play station and dressing himself up for hours in front of the mirror to hook up with pretty girls, fact too. So these people will not be on time, either.
The above is a satirical solution to your question, also pessimistic in jist. But nature is cosmologically pessimistic as when the physical existence starts to become a painful disease as one goes `down hill` or over a certain age. But this doesn`t mean life, or age, or nature are in any way bad or negative. And I also am not implying that pessimism, per se, is wrong or out to be outrighty avoided or derided to live a successful progressive `up hill`
life.
In essence, I can`t think of a viable answer to your question.
Peace!
#24 Posted by temporal on April 23, 2005 6:50:36 am
#23:
easily:)
will he/she/it (pick one) be there on time?
easily:)
will he/she/it (pick one) be there on time?
#23 Posted by epiphany on April 22, 2005 3:36:31 am
Re: # 22
Could you have asked a more difficult question?!
:-D
Adeau !
Could you have asked a more difficult question?!
:-D
Adeau !
#21 Posted by epiphany on April 21, 2005 9:55:27 am
Temporal,
Soothe the undead because perhaps they are undying to unlive. Perhaps it is only now that the undead hear music. The inhibitions of the undead mellow, and after a purported eternal temporality they unrealized that they were mere unfidglings in progess. Let the undead unlive.
Say, Temporal! Say!
Peace!
Soothe the undead because perhaps they are undying to unlive. Perhaps it is only now that the undead hear music. The inhibitions of the undead mellow, and after a purported eternal temporality they unrealized that they were mere unfidglings in progess. Let the undead unlive.
Say, Temporal! Say!
Peace!
#19 Posted by malikjahanzeb on April 17, 2005 3:01:47 am
Re: # 14 chakra,
this is one of the most disgusting things ever. no, not that you are ignorant of farsi script, but that same language uses two scripts in two countries.
i know of a website which teaches users of either of the script, how to understand the other, but for me, I need some free time.
i think if done vigorously, it will only take a week to learn and then practice will improve.
this is one of the most disgusting things ever. no, not that you are ignorant of farsi script, but that same language uses two scripts in two countries.
i know of a website which teaches users of either of the script, how to understand the other, but for me, I need some free time.
i think if done vigorously, it will only take a week to learn and then practice will improve.
#18 Posted by malikjahanzeb on April 17, 2005 2:56:31 am
t:
okay this time i am not asking for something difficult.
i have tried to setup a server on my machine. now I am in charge. just confirm that you can view the files.
Image should follow:
echo,
you can confirm if you see it first. if it works, then you can leverage my services too.
okay this time i am not asking for something difficult.
i have tried to setup a server on my machine. now I am in charge. just confirm that you can view the files.
Image should follow:
echo,
you can confirm if you see it first. if it works, then you can leverage my services too.
#17 Posted by temporal on April 16, 2005 12:44:24 pm
echoboom
thanks
yes indeed...for no rhyme or reason!
gur ijazat ho...ghalib say ma`azrat kay saath
mud`dua anqa hay teray aalam e taqrir ka..
khamkhwa
shukria...please launch a petition:)
freethinker and kaalchakra
also shukria
malikjahanzeb
#10--accha, phir?
hamidm2
you are doing fine bro...poetry and women have something in common...you understand some...;)
t
#16 Posted by temporal on April 16, 2005 7:37:05 am
tahmed:
thanks for your comments...if you mean that aspect of existentialism that camus made famous...`we are all privileged`... alongwith sartre`s `existence precedes and rules essence`...i will give a qualified yes...gravely;)
only in grave do we cease to exist and think and yes..this is a qualified response too...guess in essence there never are any black and whites in life...except in them artists tubes:)...cosmic sage
amrita
thanks...i like them too:)
urstruly
chal jhootay!
I don`t get any of this un-poetry.
any adj. One, some, every, or all without specification:
now, had you stopped at any...you know with a full period, i`d understand your lament;)
thanks for your comments...if you mean that aspect of existentialism that camus made famous...`we are all privileged`... alongwith sartre`s `existence precedes and rules essence`...i will give a qualified yes...gravely;)
only in grave do we cease to exist and think and yes..this is a qualified response too...guess in essence there never are any black and whites in life...except in them artists tubes:)...cosmic sage
amrita
thanks...i like them too:)
urstruly
chal jhootay!
I don`t get any of this un-poetry.
any adj. One, some, every, or all without specification:
now, had you stopped at any...you know with a full period, i`d understand your lament;)
#15 Posted by hamidm2 on April 16, 2005 5:52:21 am
.... sometimes even a hose does not work .............
............just when i thought i`d give poetry a whirl, you come up with .... this ........ this unpoetry !........ this was excruciatingly painful to read and for that there has to be divine retribution !.......... ya allah, temporal kay kalam ko jahanum main jagah day, ameen ! ...... but i guess you could come back and say :
I ask them to take a poem
and hold it up to the light
like a color slide
or press an ear against its hive.
I say drop a mouse into a poem
and watch him probe his way out,
or walk inside the poem`s room
and feel the walls for a light switch.
I want them to waterski
across the surface of a poem
waving at the author`s name on the shore.
But all they want to do
is tie the poem to a chair with rope
and torture a confession out of it.
They begin beating it with a hose
to find out what it really means.
(saminasha would be proud !)
............just when i thought i`d give poetry a whirl, you come up with .... this ........ this unpoetry !........ this was excruciatingly painful to read and for that there has to be divine retribution !.......... ya allah, temporal kay kalam ko jahanum main jagah day, ameen ! ...... but i guess you could come back and say :
I ask them to take a poem
and hold it up to the light
like a color slide
or press an ear against its hive.
I say drop a mouse into a poem
and watch him probe his way out,
or walk inside the poem`s room
and feel the walls for a light switch.
I want them to waterski
across the surface of a poem
waving at the author`s name on the shore.
But all they want to do
is tie the poem to a chair with rope
and torture a confession out of it.
They begin beating it with a hose
to find out what it really means.
(saminasha would be proud !)
#14 Posted by KaalChakra on April 15, 2005 7:43:45 pm
re: malik saheb
I can`t! One of my greatest regrets, coming as I do from a family of urdudaans... :(
I can`t! One of my greatest regrets, coming as I do from a family of urdudaans... :(
#13 Posted by malikjahanzeb on April 15, 2005 4:11:51 pm
Re: # 12 kaalchakra,
can you read urdu script?
can you read urdu script?
#11 Posted by echoboom on April 15, 2005 8:14:09 am
malikjahanzeb:10
``JahaaN pey hUm tuum khaRRay haiN donoaN subh`a kaa raushan uuf`que vaheeN hai``
``uus baam sey niklay gaa tiray husn kaa khuursheed
iss kunj sey phootay gee shafaque ranG-e hinaa kee``
TaRRap uthhtay haiN uun kai faiz pay chheenTa bhee puRr jaey
mgar jubb Aap(s) hoaN toa kham`shee sey daad daitay haiN
Khamkwha:
That was a hoot.
A back-handed compliment in your usual ``kuutnee`` style.
``JahaaN pey hUm tuum khaRRay haiN donoaN subh`a kaa raushan uuf`que vaheeN hai``
``uus baam sey niklay gaa tiray husn kaa khuursheed
iss kunj sey phootay gee shafaque ranG-e hinaa kee``
TaRRap uthhtay haiN uun kai faiz pay chheenTa bhee puRr jaey
mgar jubb Aap(s) hoaN toa kham`shee sey daad daitay haiN
Khamkwha:
That was a hoot.
A back-handed compliment in your usual ``kuutnee`` style.
#10 Posted by malikjahanzeb on April 14, 2005 10:03:57 pm
t:
to me, you are too abstract, but just to me. i am a pagan when it comes to poetry in english mood. believe me, to read your urdu part, i had to write it on a piece of paper in the script of zubaan-e-man. my decoder doesn`t work the other way.
freethinker sahib,
arn`t you supposed to be a
free
thinker
?
boom,
i am seeing a change. ye haqeeqat hay ya saraab?
zara si dair theherne de aye gham-e-dunya,
bula raha hay koi baam se uter ke mujhe,
kisi kali ne bhi dekha, na aankh bhar ke mujhe,
.........
to me, you are too abstract, but just to me. i am a pagan when it comes to poetry in english mood. believe me, to read your urdu part, i had to write it on a piece of paper in the script of zubaan-e-man. my decoder doesn`t work the other way.
freethinker sahib,
arn`t you supposed to be a
free
thinker
?
boom,
i am seeing a change. ye haqeeqat hay ya saraab?
zara si dair theherne de aye gham-e-dunya,
bula raha hay koi baam se uter ke mujhe,
kisi kali ne bhi dekha, na aankh bhar ke mujhe,
.........
#9 Posted by khamkhwa. on April 14, 2005 7:08:45 pm
boomboom...
if you think you are stupid who am i to contradict you...vaise nishan dahi aisay taayer ki thi jo ke maghrib main danayee aur aqalmandi ke liye mush-hoor hai...;)
if you think you are stupid who am i to contradict you...vaise nishan dahi aisay taayer ki thi jo ke maghrib main danayee aur aqalmandi ke liye mush-hoor hai...;)
#8 Posted by echoboom on April 14, 2005 7:01:29 pm
Freethinker:
There is a context. No disrespect or vulgarisation of Faiz intended.
This was the reason:
from temporal`s poem above:
ya palkouN maiN chanakhtay
tashakkur ki booNdouN say
pyas apni bhee bujha kar
karvaan say phir ja milaiN?
No you are not missing anything but thanks for pointing out.
Khamkwha:
Aur agar asliyat kee nishandaheee naa ho sakay phirrrr? Mubarak ho kay aap ghalibUn haiN kuchh aur nazar aateiN haiN kuchh.
There is a context. No disrespect or vulgarisation of Faiz intended.
This was the reason:
from temporal`s poem above:
ya palkouN maiN chanakhtay
tashakkur ki booNdouN say
pyas apni bhee bujha kar
karvaan say phir ja milaiN?
No you are not missing anything but thanks for pointing out.
Khamkwha:
Aur agar asliyat kee nishandaheee naa ho sakay phirrrr? Mubarak ho kay aap ghalibUn haiN kuchh aur nazar aateiN haiN kuchh.
#7 Posted by khamkhwa. on April 14, 2005 4:04:31 pm
gill saheb...
boomboom ke liye seegha-e-waahid ka istemaal, boomboom ki asliyat ki nishan dahi kerta hai...aapko aisa nahin kerna chahiye tha...;)
boomboom ke liye seegha-e-waahid ka istemaal, boomboom ki asliyat ki nishan dahi kerta hai...aapko aisa nahin kerna chahiye tha...;)
#6 Posted by freethinker on April 14, 2005 3:58:43 pm
Janab `boom Sahib:
Aap ney Faiz ko bhee naheen bakhsha.
You could have named your poem ``Upni Upni Kulaharian Lai Aoo``. Why was it so essential to name it after Faiz`s ``Chasham-e-num, jaan-e-shoreeda kaafee naheen``? Faiz`s poetry is beautiful and delicate. He deserved better. Or am I missing something?
Mohammad Gill
Aap ney Faiz ko bhee naheen bakhsha.
You could have named your poem ``Upni Upni Kulaharian Lai Aoo``. Why was it so essential to name it after Faiz`s ``Chasham-e-num, jaan-e-shoreeda kaafee naheen``? Faiz`s poetry is beautiful and delicate. He deserved better. Or am I missing something?
Mohammad Gill
#5 Posted by khamkhwa. on April 14, 2005 2:58:37 pm
urstruly...
i got it...temporal and boom boom are one and the same person and should be banned from chowk for writing beautiful garbage...
i got it...temporal and boom boom are one and the same person and should be banned from chowk for writing beautiful garbage...
#4 Posted by echoboom on April 14, 2005 1:05:26 pm
temporal:
Ironically this is your best , or maybe I understand it for know rhyme--or reason!
Niether you are such a ``baddie-baddie`` nor am I such a ``goodie-goodie``. You and I both know that. We both have a ``common ground``. We can be there.;)
Aap kay rUnGG mein kuchh tuuk-bandee kee jasarat kr rahaa hooN.. mu`azrat kay saath. Ummeed hai huzoor drguzar farmaaen-gey
Chashme-nUm,jaan-e shoreeda kaafee naheeN
chalo chalo!
upni upni kulahriaN lai aaO
aur chalo uss jaanib jahaN
vhaaN chaurahay pUr
anmbaar lagaa rahaiN haiN voh sub
``voh toa subb thheek hai,
mgar khhud hee soacho
kay agar vahaaN behas shroo ho gaee
kay in kaa alaO bnaeN , in ko aag lgaaeN
yaa kay inn ko dafN krdaiN; aUr kahaaN?
Mantar kauN paRRhay gaa?
namaaz kaUn paRRaha-e gaa?
yeh savaal azal sey haiN
ubad tUk rahaiN gey
kulharriaN jahaN bhhee haiN
vaheeN rehnay doa
gharoaN meiN, doa-chatee mein
godaamoaN meiN
(nihaaN khaanoaN meiN; bisraaO mUt baar baar!
bhool gaey hoangay rakhh kar; kyooN raak kuraidtay ho)
KulharioN ko chaurahy pUr laana kabhhee naheeN puugtaa
aur meiN tuum aur voh iss baat sey khoob vaaquif haiN
A tearful eye and a tender heart is just not it
Come on, Get going
there where all are heading to
there at the inter-section where
all are piling up their battle-axes
`` ok Ok I heard
but you think about it.
That ,if there, erupts an argument
about cremation or burial .
Their last rites; who would lead?
These questions since Time began
will stay till Time ends
Let the battle-axes be,
where they are.
In the houses, in the attics
in storage,
(In lapsed memory; why jog it so often?
why rake the embers?)
It never pays to bring the battle-axes at the intersections
and I, you and our Mehboob*, are quite aware of that.
*not a person
Ironically this is your best , or maybe I understand it for know rhyme--or reason!
Niether you are such a ``baddie-baddie`` nor am I such a ``goodie-goodie``. You and I both know that. We both have a ``common ground``. We can be there.;)
Aap kay rUnGG mein kuchh tuuk-bandee kee jasarat kr rahaa hooN.. mu`azrat kay saath. Ummeed hai huzoor drguzar farmaaen-gey
chalo chalo!
upni upni kulahriaN lai aaO
aur chalo uss jaanib jahaN
vhaaN chaurahay pUr
anmbaar lagaa rahaiN haiN voh sub
``voh toa subb thheek hai,
mgar khhud hee soacho
kay agar vahaaN behas shroo ho gaee
kay in kaa alaO bnaeN , in ko aag lgaaeN
yaa kay inn ko dafN krdaiN; aUr kahaaN?
Mantar kauN paRRhay gaa?
namaaz kaUn paRRaha-e gaa?
yeh savaal azal sey haiN
ubad tUk rahaiN gey
kulharriaN jahaN bhhee haiN
vaheeN rehnay doa
gharoaN meiN, doa-chatee mein
godaamoaN meiN
(nihaaN khaanoaN meiN; bisraaO mUt baar baar!
bhool gaey hoangay rakhh kar; kyooN raak kuraidtay ho)
KulharioN ko chaurahy pUr laana kabhhee naheeN puugtaa
aur meiN tuum aur voh iss baat sey khoob vaaquif haiN
Come on, Get going
there where all are heading to
there at the inter-section where
all are piling up their battle-axes
`` ok Ok I heard
but you think about it.
That ,if there, erupts an argument
about cremation or burial .
Their last rites; who would lead?
These questions since Time began
will stay till Time ends
Let the battle-axes be,
where they are.
In the houses, in the attics
in storage,
(In lapsed memory; why jog it so often?
why rake the embers?)
It never pays to bring the battle-axes at the intersections
and I, you and our Mehboob*, are quite aware of that.
*not a person
#2 Posted by amrita on April 14, 2005 10:38:18 am
t - i think IV and V are my favourite stanzas in a poem that is just lovely. IV esp struck a chord...
#1 Posted by tahmed32 on April 14, 2005 10:08:30 am
janaab t sahib: I sense a touch of existentialism here. not the ``khoodi ko kar baland intna`` type but the more mundane ones the rest of us live with. as for the various m-sobriquets that are echoed (and echo-boomed), truly there are even more in store if one spends time on chowk. :-)
what exactly is cosmisage??
what exactly is cosmisage??
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