Pakistan Travelogue II

Re: # 605

Ever heard of the ``context``.... we are talking about the direct action day. Ofcourse Muslims were killed in Bihar and then Hindus in Noakhali.... and then in Punjab both communities...

Re: # 603

`` There was no violence except in Calcutta, which was in any event a Hindu Majority city. ``

Ever heard of Noakhali?

#603 by Mantolives

Sure. I will wait for your post tonight before replying.

Re: # 600

But my dear Harish Hyd.... you are the only one spinning history to your liking... There was no violence except in Calcutta, which was in any event a Hindu Majority city.

Even the Congress mouth piece ``Blitz`` was issuing appreciation calls to Mr Jinnah for a successful civil disobedience action against the British... and giving up his age old constitutional means and ways... why would that be the case, if indeed your version was true?

You clearly are not interested in reading history ... but just arguing to confirm your biases. This is why you were more than willing to attribute that Maulana Mohamed Ali comment to Jinnah...

Any way with respect to Calcutta... In fact Jinnah issued several calls to his followers .... (which I`ll quote later tonight from authentic sources).. to keep away from disorder and not use the league platform for violence. Perhaps the biggest indication of this was that Suhrawardy was removed from chief ministership and replaced by Khawaja Nazimuddin ....

This photo sums up india in one fell swoop.......


http://amchiemumbai.fotopic.net/p12102264.html



More photos of my favorite city:

http://amchiemumbai.fotopic.net/c441672.html

Chandigarh is the same place where the sikh extremists (1982-1992) had issued a `diktat` banning jeans and other western wear and vowed to throw acid on college girls violating the ban , and this is not too far ago.I find all this punjabi melodrama about common history, roots and stuff downright mawkish.The new found economic and personal freedoms found in india have been hard won and this would not have been possible , unless the collective strength of all the indian people been brought to bear on the mainstream political establishments, the fringe groups, and the extremist elements in our society.That is why i concur that the indian people are secular in nature, have by and large come to accept the line drawn in 1947, have come to accept the unity of the nation that was formed and accepted each other as part of our body polity.That is why you see a Subramanian as Chief secretary of Bihar ,a Gagandeep Singh as Collector of Madurai, or a Roy as a IG of police in Mumbai, and a Syed Rizvi ,Governor in Jharkand and so on.

It is nice to see indian and pak punjabis hugging and welcoming each other.But indian punjabis and indians should be wary of those pakistanis, who cannot fathom a new,prosperous and resurgent india ,using this window to forment trouble.God knows how many pakistanis with anti-india intentions have come riding on the recent cricket bonhomie.

#580 by Mantolives

[The question you are stuck on does not make any sense. The pseudo-incendiary comments by the Muslim subordinates of Jinnah were not repeated after Jinnah told them to stop .... Jinnah agreed to join the Interim Government as per Congress request... and asked the British on several occasions to shoot the Muslims if necessary to keep order.]

Not really. The ``pseudo-incendiary`` statements were blood-curdling calls to violence and bloodshed. Only someone as naive as you would believe that after such statements, the Muslim (or for that matter any) population would remain silent.

And what do you mean by ``pesudo-incendiary``? Do you mean to say that the Leaguers never meant what they were actually saying? Gimme a break!!!!

Also pray tell us, where did Jinnah ask his Leaguers to stop? The only statement by Jinnah was to the effect that he wanted the Direct Action Day to be a peaceful protest, which by the way, was much before the DAD actually started, and possibly before the threatening noises were made by other Muslim leaders.

[See this is the problem that you have.... you can disagree with the idea of Pakistan, but as history is being uncovered, it is becoming increasingly clear who the culprit was....]

I asked you a simple question. In all the week or so during which the violence raged as a consequence of the call to DAD (supplemented by the incendiary statements by Leaguers), there was not a single statement by Jinnah asking the rampaging Muslim population to stop. If Jinnah`s call to a ``peaceful`` DAD was heard all over the country except Bengal, don`t you think a simple statement could have at least stemmed the violence? I want an honest answer please. No spin.

Re: # 596

So that`s how the ``progressive liberal`` society of pakiland works - by excluding minorities from commerce.

bongdongs, I know very well who I am, where my roots are and what is my culture and language. keep your advice to youself.

Bongdongs #595,

Hunh? You have me confused with somebody else.

so manto....your old man commits a crime if he checks the muslim box in every paki government form...does his passport say he`s a muslim? I doubt it..

This is a report from the world famous(in Pakistan) daily times...

Pakistan ‘grossly’ supports religious persecution: Ahmadiyya report

Govt making extra effort to exclude Ahmadis from public offices, commerce, says annual report for 2004

The report claimed that Ahmadis were deprived of their rights to vote and participate in humanitarian activities. It mentioned the difficulties faced by Ahmadis in several parts of the country, including Rabwa.

“2004 was no better than previous years; in the context of persecution of Ahmadis, it was indeed worse. Although, the world has hardened its attitude towards terrorism and religious intolerance, Pakistani authorities shy from challenging extremism and religious fanaticism,” said the report.


“The Privatisation Commission forms for the privatisation of national carrier PIA required investors to declare whether they were Muslims or non-Muslims at four different locations. It is instructed to ‘tick one’. An Ahmadi does not call himself non-Muslim, and if he ticks ‘Muslim’ he can be convicted for up to three years,” said the report, questioning, “Is this a deliberate attempt to exclude a minority from commerce?”

#594

coming from you, thats rich!

#587, Ignore Cayenne.

He goes overboard in trashing everybody.

arrre pra-ji, why all this talk about Bangalore-Shanglore. All I said is, that it is good that a man proud of this roots, his language, his culture is bearded and turbaned as well. If you are not, its a matter of sadness thats all I can say.

bd: no. I grew older and and evolved to be a different person now.
You cleverly dropped the time frame I put on my statement. Bearded and turbaned 22 yr old in rural Amritsar is ok in 2005. If I were 22 now I would have probably gone to Banglore.:-)

#588
``22 yr old beared and turbaned son at home in rural Amritsar``

So i assume you are proudly bearded and turbaned in Canada, good for you!!