Pakistan Travelogue II

#588
``22 yr old beared and turbaned son at home in rural Amritsar``

So i assume you a proudly bearded and turbaned in Canada, good for you!!

#588 by dullabhatti on April 11, 2005 12:26pm PT
I know what lit the fire under Cayenne`s chaddi...


..........I will take you at your word, douse the fire in my chaddi, and apologize.

I know what lit the fire under Cayenne`s chaddi...the phrase used by me ``dangerous political situation``. Dude that is to put it mildly. It was a very violent situation and any parent who had a 22 yr old beared and turbaned son at home in rural Amritsar, greener grass would be last thing on their mind in 1980 and early 90s.

BTW I don`t regret the fact that I am here. Frankly I am living a good and honest life. Most of my friends there are living good life too but not honest...and I tell them on tehir face.
but as I addressed to Manto, it was not a thoughout conscious decision. Secondly Manto is much mature for his age when he went back to Pakistan than I was at his age I left India.

#584

cayenne: it is not an excuse. you don;t know where I was in 1990 and how disturbed the situtation was around me and frankly I don`t want to give you details either. I wanted forget it and I have. People have been immigrating from Punjab for last 50 years but the accelerated immigration from years 1986 to 1994 was due to violence. secondly, I did had a job few months before leaving India where I could make good living if I continued. Almost all of my friends from that job are now driving Korean and Tata cars from their own salaries. Believe me in mine and many other cases at the time greener grass was not even on mind...but life was...of course once you are here for few years it is all about how green the grass is. to give you an example, about 1/3rd of my class who graduted with engineering degrees from Punjab immigrated to various countries...general trend is 5 to 10% gradutes leaving Pujab from that institution every year. Even now, when everyone in Punjab seems to be looking for foreign visas, less than 10% engineering graduates leaving for foreign.

Re: # 582

I apologize for my use of harsh language...

dullabhatti: from Mr. cayenne (the latest spice-burnt man from india on chowk) #584 it is clear that you have just committed the greatest sin an Indian can commit - namely, saying something that could be construed to mean that India is somehting less than heaven on earth. In light of this sin, you are doomed to be re-incarnated in the form of a cayenne chili pepper!!

#582 by dullabhatti on April 11, 2005 11:15am PT


Mine was a result of lack of vision, dangerous political situation at home and fear of my safety in the minds of my parents. of course you can chose to consider it my excuse

........You would use any excuse to go `phoren`` wouldn`t you??.Dangerous political situation at home??....what a hoot.Atleast , the ordinary punjabi , due to his inherent lack of self-esteem, ``grass is greener on the other side`` mentality, and `white skin` complex, in addition to ,ofcourse, the money, makes no bones about it and just does whatever it takes to go ``phoren``.All power to them that do.As for you, only contempt.

correction: to #582: should read ``I did not mean real lahoris in that way to include Stuka`s hosts in that category or...``

Manto, I did not mean real lahoris in that way or i would have put them in quotes too...although I admit I do have some ideas in my mind, clearly a very subjective thing, who is common lahori or not. My friends in Amritsar argue that I am not a Majhail or Ambarsariya anymore...even though when I look at them I think I am and they are not.

BTW regarding me driving American cars....It is about the choices we make in life. I believe your choice to not earn american dollars, or drive american car was more thought out and consciously made than mine to do so. Mine was a result of lack of vision, dangerous political situation at home and fear of my safety in the minds of my parents. of course you can chose to consider it my excuse.

without comment.......

Manmohan in Time`s most influential list
Source: NDTV. Image Source: NDTV


New Delhi, April 11: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, US President George W Bush and Chinese President Hu Jintao have been named among the 100 most influential people of the world by the prestigious American magazine `Time`.

The `Time 100` list, featured in the latest issue of the magazine, also includes Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama, former US President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Palestinian leader Mahmood Abbas, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, African National Congress President Thabo Mbeki, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and North Korean leader Kim Jong II.

Bias for underdogs

Singh, who finds a place among 22 leaders and revolutionaries, is described as a man of ``deep humanity and breadth of vision who inspires widespread confidence`` in a biographical sketch written by Nobel laureate Amartya Sen.

``The man in the blue turban, despite his great success, has remained approachable and ready to listen and instinctively sympathetic to the underdogs of society,`` he says.

``Can an astute economist, a famous professor and a superb civil servant also be an outstanding Prime Minister? Can someone without a populist political base be secure as the head of a democratic government? Can a country in which more than 80 per cent of the people are Hindus be comfortable with a blue-turbaned Sikh Prime Minister in addition to a Muslim President and a Christian leader of the ruling party?`` Sen asks.

``If the answer to all those questions is yes (as seems plausible enough), that says something not only about the nature of India but also about Manmohan Singh`s deep humanity and breadth of vision, which inspires widespread confidence,`` writes Sen.

..........prof. Amartya Sen was asked by TIME to write a brief bio of Singh, who was one of the 22 most influential leaders profiled with an article explaining their sphere of influence.

My dear Harish Hyd sahab....

There is a technical flaw in your far fetched claim.

You keep changing the question. If you recall it started with that Maulana Mohammed Ali statement that you falsely attributed to Jinnah.... then it was something else.... then you wanted an exact quote which I gave to you..

The question you are stuck on does not make any sense. The pseudo-incendiary comments by the Muslim subordinates of Jinnah were not repeated after Jinnah told them to stop .... Jinnah agreed to join the Interim Government as per Congress request... and asked the British on several occasions to shoot the Muslims if necessary to keep order. See this is the problem that you have.... you can disagree with the idea of Pakistan, but as history is being uncovered, it is becoming increasingly clear who the culprit was....

But ofcourse your usual tactic is to declare anyone who doesn`t agree with your preconceived notions of history as a Jinnah worshipper...

I mean seriously when you denounced me for using ``biased`` Pakistani sources such as Embree (an American) Seervai (an Indian), Rajmohan Gandhi(an Indian), Ian Bryant Wells (Australian) and Patrick French (British).... were you just joking or were you serious.


BTW ... there is a new book (in Hindi to boot) called Jinnah: A Punardrishti... you should read it.

Re: # 573

Still indulging those fantasies?

...don`t you guys ever get tired?... i mean for educated, liberated , opinionated and insulated indians (hehehehe..got carried away)...you sound pathetic after the initial point...;)

#576 by arjun_m
//...It`ll say jinnah....//

Yeah - that might work. But not for long. Ismaili Shia [community Jinnah belonged to] are next in line to be declared as non-muslims.

#574 by mohar11 on April 11, 2005 6:56am PT


pakis have a religion column in his passport - YLH will have to mention something there.


It`ll say jinnah....

#536 by Mantolives

[I never converted to any faith.... I was never an Ahmadi, Shia or Sunni... I never will be. I have a very simple faith.... in God and his prophet.... and I am also religiously a Pakistani first second and last....]

Looks like you`re shit-scared of admitting to your Ahmadi faith, which is why the long and pointless harangue. Why don`t you just admit it?