Pakistan Travelogue II

re:#621 by Mantolives
The question is not how many more muslims died than hindus. The question is: did Jinnah visit Calcutta when riots broke out there? Did he do anything substantial (other than giving out politically correct statements) to stop the riots or prevent it from spreading further? I have not seen any evidence that he did anything of the sort.
Sridhar

Re: # 630

A stupid question...

No Jinnah didn`t go to Calcutta in August 1946... just as Gandhi didn`t ... or Nehru didn`t... They were busy hammering out the issue of interim government in 1946

Did Gandhi go to Calcutta in August 1946? No he didn`t... unlike Jinnah who was bed ridden on several occasions, Gandhi could have but he didn`t.

And later on ... Jinnah as I pointed out visited several different riot affected areas... just like Gandhi did...

So I don`t get the point you are trying to make.

#615 by Mantolives on April 12, 2005 11:48am PT



Read two books:


Two books on gandhi? Are you kidding me? I couldn`t get myself to watch the Oscar winning movie...it`s that boring...

so gandhi has a seedy side...BFD...so does the taj mahal(what with all the architects having their hands cut off and all that)...I couldn`t care less..

all that matters to me is that gandhi looks good on a brochure promoting India..as does the Taj Mahal....

arjun #613,
{``It`s like comparing the Taj Mahal to the minar-e-Pakiland.... ``}

Oh Arjun, that one hurt. Ouch! Very unkind.

Manto, yaar sauN jaa hunn....mainu lagda jadoN raat nu teri dhee roan lagdi ay tooN uTh ke internet te baith jaana...te teri dharm-patni vichari ohnu khidaundi te savaundi rehndi ay.:-)

You know... I can sense the futility of this.... the Indians will repeat the same lies that they`ve been repeating for the 5 years... and I will respond with the same answers as the last 5 years...

Call me slow but I`ve gotten the hang of the routine now...

So I am going to break it... and say

We got Pakistan... cry and whine all you want now... we have Pakistan and thank God for it

Re: # 635

``We got Pakistan... cry and whine all you want now... we have Pakistan and thank God for it``

No one is crying and whining about the creation of Pakistan. We are happy not to have an additional 250+ million muslims. What amazes me is your hatred for Gandhi and praises for Jinnah. I am no fan of Gandhi, but he has come out as a model figure for the entire world. His principles and methods are tried world over. All your venom against him is not going to negate it. Gandhi in india/abroad represents secularism and non-violence. He is the role model for all the ``secular`` parties in india. His principles have become the protector of the minorities. About Jinnah, is he even relevant in pak today. Where were his principles/legacy when pakis started fighting against each other. where is his ``dream Pakistan``?

Re: # 635

Oooops not intended for here....

sorry Dullah

Re: # 625

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Wavell on Gandhi


They do not want Jinnah and the league in and Gandhi at the end exposed Congress`s policy of domination tha ever before.The more I see of that old man, the more I regard him as an UNSCRUPULOUS OLD HYPOCRITE

``Wavell`` by Penderel Moon Page 352-53

The Calcutta riots:

The truth:

A letter Wavell to Pethick Lawrence:

Transfer of Power Volume 9 Page 879

... it reads:

The Congress leadership is convinced that all the trouble was deliberately engineered by the Muslim League ministry, but I have no seen satisfactory evidence to that effect.The latest estimate of casualties was that appreciably more Muslims than Hindus were killed


More TRUTH about Calcutta riots coming up...

I know its` not politically correct, especially on this site, but i sincerely believe that partition was the best thing that happened to us.The sad part is that the fallout is still lingering.We should move on.Many of the interactors have to be middle aged or old, as they seem to be stuck in a time warp and cannot erase stale images and bygone notions that , atleast in india, are history.More than half of india is under 25 years of age, and the last thing they want is to be burdened by the past.They are more concerned about what car or bike to buy, where to go for vacation, and the poor are equally ambitious in their own way.Many of them are studying, `cause they know that it is the only way out.There are many progressive state govts. in india that are doing a bang up job in the field of education helping them along the way.All these interacts seem to be out of whack with the new generation.Egads, you guys must be old!!!.The city of Kolkata is a prime example.If one goes by the interacts on this site, Kolkata must be a communist anachronism.Far from it!!!. The commies have transformed the city both architecturally and industrially.Techno parks are sprouting up , retail companies are making a beeline there and arts and entertainment are flourishing.Kolkata has the best bars , if any entertainment guide in India is to be believed, and i have seen pictures and tv shorts on Kolkata`s famous `hookah` bars, the first city in india to create this concept.Alcohol and the heady concoction of the hookah.Perfect way to end the day!!!.The `dancing girls` of maharashtra, pissed at being out of a job, due to the closing of the dance bars outside mumbai city limits, bought train tickets to new delhi to protest outside the supreme court and central govt. offices.One woman said that she`ll be forced to become a prostitute again due to the closure of these bars(NDTV news item).If this isn`t women`s empowerment and democracy in action, tell me??.Freedom to choose their own vocation and demand justice.Factories can hire women for night shifts (it is now law) opening new employment and equal opportunity for men and women and maximising industrial output.India is surely on the move!!.

re:#610 by Mantolives
Giving statements urging people to remain peaceful is fine. It is easy for Jinnah, sitting in his plush office, smoking cigar (or chillum) and sipping whisky to urge his followers to remain peaceful during Calcutta riots but did he ever visit the scene of riots and do anything practical on the field?
Sorry to say, your Jinnah comes out as an hypocrite. Only his party benefitted from the violence in Calcutta. He was able to prove conclusively his hold on muslims and his ability to create trouble when he wanted.
Sridhar

Re: # 614

You see this ``official nationalist`` version of history was discredited rather brilliantly by Hormansji Seervai, Advocate General of Maharashtra, in his book ``Partition of India: legend and reality``

You see you are wrong when you say that the Muslim League benefitted from Calcutta violence... Just read HISTORY for once and you will see what the situation is:


1) Calcutta violence made partition of Bengal inevitable, something which Muslim League was totally and completely opposed to.

2) Jinnah was bullied into joining the Interim government which he didn`t want to.


Your reading of history is based on simplistic notions.... it has no nuances and no calculations for reality.... your version is like a cheap B rate Bollywood movie... or a Hollywood one for that matter...

Re: # 616

http://ww1.mid-day.com/smd/play/2005/april/107165.htm

Re: # 616

PS: Did Jinnah visit the scene of the riots

YES.... several times... H V Hodson credits him for bringing an end to the disturbances in Lahore which became his temporary capital for a few months in this effort...

Meanwhile in Karachi this famous story should put an end to your false claim based on second guessing history and reading novels/biased accounts instead of real historians...


Publicly, Jinnah and Gandhi were political rivals. But during the post-Partition riots, Jinnah displayed his respect. There was a statue of Gandhi, installed on his 60th birthday in Karachi, which was about to be destroyed by rioters.

He was surveying the area in his car, and he actually had the car stopped and ordered his driver to bring him the statue. He saved it from defacement and later had it passed to the Indian High Commission for safe-keeping,” recounts Baranwal.