Karamatullah K Ghori April 5, 2005
#165 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 6:34:04 am
re:#143 by taqat-e-parvaaz
Get a life man.
Sitting in US, i do not believe in Akhand Bharat anymore than i believe Pak is a progressive, secular state.
Sridhar
Get a life man.
Sitting in US, i do not believe in Akhand Bharat anymore than i believe Pak is a progressive, secular state.
Sridhar
#164 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 6:31:30 am
re:#142 by CoolAL
Consider the situation from the angle of realpolitik.
Who, in that region, is affected if Iran has nuclear weapons, a delivery system and prospers (through building oil gas pipeline and what not)?
There is only one country that will have problem with Iran forging ahead and that is Israel. Jewish lobby in the Congress (US) is powerful and if u hear US govt not wanting the Iran-India pipeline deal to go through, it means the jewish lobby is working.
Israel and India have forged a strategic relationship. Why would India then want to damage that relationship by having a deal with Israel`s archenemy Iran?
I have come to believe that this was a thought out plan (or all this is just happening serendepitously) to push US to intervene and offer India substantial benefits as compensation for opting out of a deal that India was touting as critical for its energy needs. Surely, US could not have asked India to opt out without in someway ensuring its future energy needs are taken care of. Hence the new offer on nuclear reactors etc etc.
Whatever the case may be, India should try to be self-sufficient in energy. India can utilise its tidal waves (from vast ocean shores), wind waves and nuclear energy to meet its needs and rely on some good friends for assured gas supplies until it becomes self-sufficient.
Sridhar
Consider the situation from the angle of realpolitik.
Who, in that region, is affected if Iran has nuclear weapons, a delivery system and prospers (through building oil gas pipeline and what not)?
There is only one country that will have problem with Iran forging ahead and that is Israel. Jewish lobby in the Congress (US) is powerful and if u hear US govt not wanting the Iran-India pipeline deal to go through, it means the jewish lobby is working.
Israel and India have forged a strategic relationship. Why would India then want to damage that relationship by having a deal with Israel`s archenemy Iran?
I have come to believe that this was a thought out plan (or all this is just happening serendepitously) to push US to intervene and offer India substantial benefits as compensation for opting out of a deal that India was touting as critical for its energy needs. Surely, US could not have asked India to opt out without in someway ensuring its future energy needs are taken care of. Hence the new offer on nuclear reactors etc etc.
Whatever the case may be, India should try to be self-sufficient in energy. India can utilise its tidal waves (from vast ocean shores), wind waves and nuclear energy to meet its needs and rely on some good friends for assured gas supplies until it becomes self-sufficient.
Sridhar
#163 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 6:20:27 am
re: Kashmir solution?
http://www.satribune.com/archives/200504/P1_arun2.htm
Looks like India and China are seriously considering a solution to their border problem. India would be willing to give up its claim on Aksai Chin (and few in India would shed tears) and China would give up its claim on Arunachal Pradesh. This is what is being explored.
If this comes thr`, this could become a model for Kashmir solution.
A give and take is what is needed in Kashmir.
That is to say: India gives up its claim on POK and Pak takes what is being offered!
Sounds good to me.
What do u think my Pak friends?
Sridhar
http://www.satribune.com/archives/200504/P1_arun2.htm
Looks like India and China are seriously considering a solution to their border problem. India would be willing to give up its claim on Aksai Chin (and few in India would shed tears) and China would give up its claim on Arunachal Pradesh. This is what is being explored.
If this comes thr`, this could become a model for Kashmir solution.
A give and take is what is needed in Kashmir.
That is to say: India gives up its claim on POK and Pak takes what is being offered!
Sounds good to me.
What do u think my Pak friends?
Sridhar
#162 Posted by harish_hyd on April 11, 2005 6:03:13 am
#155 by arjun_m
[You`ll have to do better than an article by abdul paki....This isn`t a paki echo-chamber of self-delusion....people here might actually click on the links....]
That is the problem with Pakis. All the reports in the western media about the sorry state of affairs in Pakiland are biased, because the west is prejudiced against Muslims, but articles by the Abdul Pakis critical of India are immediately hailed as the gospel truth, because they fit in with the Paki perception of Indians, honed by years of indoctrination.
[You`ll have to do better than an article by abdul paki....This isn`t a paki echo-chamber of self-delusion....people here might actually click on the links....]
That is the problem with Pakis. All the reports in the western media about the sorry state of affairs in Pakiland are biased, because the west is prejudiced against Muslims, but articles by the Abdul Pakis critical of India are immediately hailed as the gospel truth, because they fit in with the Paki perception of Indians, honed by years of indoctrination.
#161 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 5:59:27 am
re:#152 by Dalit
Hey, YLH (aka Manto),
How are u man?
Sridhar
Hey, YLH (aka Manto),
How are u man?
Sridhar
#160 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 5:54:23 am
re:#142 by CoolAL
It is stupid to rely on 2 Islamic nations, both of which are not democracies, for your energy needs. USA is offering India technology for civilian nuclear power reactors. If that technology can utilise the huge thorium deposits in Kerala, India would not have to depend on outside sources for energy.
For immediate needs, Indians should think of cutting down on oil needs by importing/manufacturing electric/diesel run cars and import gas from countries one can have some control over for eg Bangladesh.
Sridhar
It is stupid to rely on 2 Islamic nations, both of which are not democracies, for your energy needs. USA is offering India technology for civilian nuclear power reactors. If that technology can utilise the huge thorium deposits in Kerala, India would not have to depend on outside sources for energy.
For immediate needs, Indians should think of cutting down on oil needs by importing/manufacturing electric/diesel run cars and import gas from countries one can have some control over for eg Bangladesh.
Sridhar
#159 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 5:47:40 am
re:#140 by arjun_m
They have to believe in the stuff they are told. That is what keeps them going i guess. I mean, the idea that they are successfully competing with India and are even better. They can go to any length to do that. I read the news in SA Tribune that Pak might have given away a piece of land to USA as a military base to be used against Iran in future. No questions asked. Just like that.
It is just a pathetic country.
Sridhar
They have to believe in the stuff they are told. That is what keeps them going i guess. I mean, the idea that they are successfully competing with India and are even better. They can go to any length to do that. I read the news in SA Tribune that Pak might have given away a piece of land to USA as a military base to be used against Iran in future. No questions asked. Just like that.
It is just a pathetic country.
Sridhar
#158 Posted by rsridhar on April 11, 2005 5:42:25 am
re:#138 by vivek
It is not just BS. It is scary that some of these guys actually believe in the stuff that they peddle out here. There is complete lack of crtical thinking. I guess it has something to do with indoctrination. I will not be surprised if this T-e-P character studied in a madrassa, rocking himself away in front of his holy book.
Sridhar
It is not just BS. It is scary that some of these guys actually believe in the stuff that they peddle out here. There is complete lack of crtical thinking. I guess it has something to do with indoctrination. I will not be surprised if this T-e-P character studied in a madrassa, rocking himself away in front of his holy book.
Sridhar
#157 Posted by cayenne on April 11, 2005 12:38:41 am
Facts only please.India is building its` first indigenous aircraft carrier, commencing today at the Cochin shipyard. India`s richest indian , as of today, is again Hafez Azim Premji at Rs.31, 198 crores,the Ambanis are second, Mittal of Airtel is third and Shiv Nadar of HCL is the fourth richest giving each region of the country a share in the wealth.Forex reserves are steadily rising , currently pegged at $141.2 billion.The country is making a serious effort at building infrastructure at all levels, not only urban.The politicians are making an effort at reform.Good things are happening, at incremental levels, but in a democratic society that is the norm.We indians should be proud and the time has come to SHOW it.
#155 Posted by arjun_m on April 10, 2005 3:33:42 pm
#150 by taqat-e-parvaaz on April 9, 2005 9:34pm PT
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/816/
It is no surprise that with its usual arrogance and obstinacy, India flatly rejected the UNMOGIP proposal.
{And it is nothing compared to the average of about 7500 Kashmiris killed and about 25000 injured every year, year after year, by Indian occupation forces within Kashmir since 1989}.
Why did you leave out the author`s name? Here..let me post it for you...
by Ikram Sehgal
You`ll have to do better than an article by abdul paki....This isn`t a paki echo-chamber of self-delusion....people here might actually click on the links....
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/816/
It is no surprise that with its usual arrogance and obstinacy, India flatly rejected the UNMOGIP proposal.
{And it is nothing compared to the average of about 7500 Kashmiris killed and about 25000 injured every year, year after year, by Indian occupation forces within Kashmir since 1989}.
Why did you leave out the author`s name? Here..let me post it for you...
by Ikram Sehgal
You`ll have to do better than an article by abdul paki....This isn`t a paki echo-chamber of self-delusion....people here might actually click on the links....
#154 Posted by arjun_m on April 10, 2005 3:15:46 pm
#153 by cayenne on April 10, 2005 11:22am PT
Chinese PM`s first port of call in india is bangalore, where he wants india to take a lead role in building up china`s software industry
IT exports from the land of the pure: 40 million
It exports by Indian companies in China: 400 million....
nuff said....
Chinese PM`s first port of call in india is bangalore, where he wants india to take a lead role in building up china`s software industry
IT exports from the land of the pure: 40 million
It exports by Indian companies in China: 400 million....
nuff said....
#153 Posted by cayenne on April 10, 2005 11:22:12 am
The whole world is coming to india to do business, sight-see AND TRADE.Why are we even discussing these and defense related matters with these chumps across our western border?.India`s forex reserve is now $141.2 billion and rising.Pakistan has seen a decrease in their forex from $11 to $10 billion.Why??I thought they had this hotshot banker dude from newyork running their country.The Saudis have offered to shore up our petroleum reserves at a wholesale rate in light of the Venezeluan deal, the US is keen on accelarating our nuclear power industry in the light of the pending iran deal,Chinese PM`s first port of call in india is bangalore, where he wants india to take a lead role in building up china`s software industry as hitherto, they have concentrating on the hardware side.TIME magazine , in the current issue names Dr.Manmohan Singh as one of the ten most influential leaders in the world.How come Mush ain`t on the list, WAR ON TERROR and all??.Let us learn to be magnanimous to the paks and ignore their petty little rants.
#152 Posted by Dalit on April 9, 2005 11:01:20 pm
Accused in riot, killed in police firing, now a BJP-VHP martyr
As hundreds of villagers, BJP MP Jayaben Thakkar, local MLA Upendrasinh Gohil and VHP leaders watched, two Swaminarayan sadhus today unveiled the bust of Vakhatsinh Ramansinh Parmar in Desar.
The inscription on the marble plaque under the bust read: This memorial is to honour Ram Sevak Vakhatsinh Ramansinh Parmar who laid down his life in the attacks in retaliation to the killing of 58 karsevaks on the Sabarmati Express in Godhra on February 27, 2002. Parmar was killed in police firing on March 1, 2002, third Friday, Vikram Samvat, 2058.
Parmar was part of a mob that torched Muslim properties and attacked the police and he was named as an accused in the case. This is the first time in Gujarat that a riot accused has been publicly felicitated, though posthumously. The function, organised by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, was also attended by VHP�s Gujarat leaders, Arvindbhai Brahmbhatt and Vijaybhai Parnami.
According to police records, Parmar, 25, was among the two who were injured when the police opened fire to disperse a mob of around 400 who had attacked the police. The police was trying to stop them form torching Muslim properties. Parmar was injured and later died in a hospital. The complainant in the FIR was the PS in-charge PSI J J Choudhary who was transferred the day after it was filed.
The local MLA and MP did not find anything wrong in erecting a memorial for a mob leader in a village where Muslims form 30 per cent of the population. This is a fitting tribute to the youth for his sacrifices for the cause of Hindutva, said Thakkar.Accused in riot, killed in police firing, now a BJP-VHP martyr
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=420962
As hundreds of villagers, BJP MP Jayaben Thakkar, local MLA Upendrasinh Gohil and VHP leaders watched, two Swaminarayan sadhus today unveiled the bust of Vakhatsinh Ramansinh Parmar in Desar.
The inscription on the marble plaque under the bust read: This memorial is to honour Ram Sevak Vakhatsinh Ramansinh Parmar who laid down his life in the attacks in retaliation to the killing of 58 karsevaks on the Sabarmati Express in Godhra on February 27, 2002. Parmar was killed in police firing on March 1, 2002, third Friday, Vikram Samvat, 2058.
Parmar was part of a mob that torched Muslim properties and attacked the police and he was named as an accused in the case. This is the first time in Gujarat that a riot accused has been publicly felicitated, though posthumously. The function, organised by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, was also attended by VHP�s Gujarat leaders, Arvindbhai Brahmbhatt and Vijaybhai Parnami.
According to police records, Parmar, 25, was among the two who were injured when the police opened fire to disperse a mob of around 400 who had attacked the police. The police was trying to stop them form torching Muslim properties. Parmar was injured and later died in a hospital. The complainant in the FIR was the PS in-charge PSI J J Choudhary who was transferred the day after it was filed.
The local MLA and MP did not find anything wrong in erecting a memorial for a mob leader in a village where Muslims form 30 per cent of the population. This is a fitting tribute to the youth for his sacrifices for the cause of Hindutva, said Thakkar.Accused in riot, killed in police firing, now a BJP-VHP martyr
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=420962
#151 Posted by vivek on April 9, 2005 9:51:33 pm
The idiot does not read my post properly, instead quotes another Pakistani idiot. The UN report does not mention 7500 casualities per day.
#149 Posted by vivek on April 9, 2005 8:28:55 pm
CoolAL,
SEAsians are good businessmen, so they would sell to both India and China. I dont think Myanmar has enough gas for all of India needs.
SEAsians are good businessmen, so they would sell to both India and China. I dont think Myanmar has enough gas for all of India needs.
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