F-16s to Pakistan—Why Now?

Re: # 142
calling me names will not get you anywhere. perhaps you should look around and see why i had to say what i did. control your fellow countrymen and it will not come to this. i was not the aggressor. i was just defending what i saw right. so stay out of this, otherwise my boot will be up your skinny ass as it already has been up your fellow baboons shri arjun and shri hashish`s. hahahaaa...

#144

Look we need a pipeline. It could be an undersea pipe line starting from Oman to Gujrat completely by passing Pakistan or a lind-pipeline between Iran and India through Pakistan. I believe it would cost around $5 billion which is more than double what it would cost to lay a pipe from the South Pars field in Iran, across Baluchistan and Sindh into Gujarat or Rajasthan.

The nice thing about the undersea pipeline is once we build it, then we can use it to get Gas from not only from Iran and Oman but also from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar,Iraq, Kuwait as well as The Central Asian Republics. Getting gas from CARs would require another land pipe-line across Iran to the southern Coast. That is an eminent possibility. If that happens the biggest losers in this game will be the Pakistanis. The US companies are playing a major role in building this pipeline so the US has a major say in this. The US-Iran relationship is the fly in the ointment here. If we can somehow broker a relationship between Iran and the US. It will be a tremendous victory for everyone. Listening to Clinton speak at Davos recently brings a lot of optimism regarding the US-Iran relationship.

CoolAL,
An added possibility could be undersea pipeline from Malaysia.

#147

Your gotta be kidding me.....Why would we even think of such a possibility? When we could easily run a land pipeline through Burma into Assam?

Also, do you really believe that SE Asia region has any potential for exporting gas to India? Assuming that they do have that kinda gas fields, why would they bother? They all border China and it will suck up what ever they can produce...

CoolAL,
SEAsians are good businessmen, so they would sell to both India and China. I dont think Myanmar has enough gas for all of India needs.

Re: # 141
here you go crack smoker. i even did the math for you at the end there, since i know your protein deficient mind wouldnt be able to handle such large numbers.....

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/816/

The UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (known as UNMOGIP) issued a press release on Tuesday Sep 16, 2003 calling on “the parties involved in the Kashmir issue to observe the “International Day of Peace” on September 21 and appeals to them to initiate a ceasefire and to do their best to prolong the duration of any cessation of hostilities for as long as possible. The conflict over Jammu and Kashmir has cost many lives, caused much tragedy and could, sadly, continue to affect the stability of the region for years to come. It is the UNMOGIP’s hope that the parties to the conflict will embrace this opportunity to lay down their arms and observe the International Day of Peace”, unquote. Coincidentally a senior US diplomat was visiting Srinagar when UNMOGIP issued this call, this combined to infuriate the Indians. On the other hand it gave heart to the freedom fighters within Kashmir that there was renewed western interest. Even though there has been far greater violence in Kashmir than in any other area in the world in the recent past, till Kargil came around in 1999 Kashmir was generally ignored by the western media, a benign neglect that glossed over decades of brutal Indian atrocities on the Kashmiri people. Kargil was a watershed that force-fed Kashmir back into international consciousness as well as media focus, the dispute is now seen by western powers as a major potential nuclear flashpoint.

The Indians have protested that UNMOGIP abused its authority by issuing their call and said they would take up the matter with the UN HQ in New York. For the record, UNMOGIP was set up in 1947-48 to monitor the Cease-Fire Line (CFL) that divided the opposing forces after the war that ensued when India occupied Kashmir by use of subterfuge and brute force. Elements of Kashmiri State and civil forces had combined with Pakistani irregulars to resist the blatant Indian occupation. India maintains that when the Line of Control (LOC) was delineated after the 1971 Indo-Pak War, the CFL ceased to exist and UNMOGIP became redundant. This is neither the understanding of either the UN HQ or of Pakistan, otherwise the Observer’s Group would have been wound up a long time ago. In addition the very name UNMOGIP suggests that it includes intervention on India – Pakistan issues. If India does not accept this, why was UNMOGIP created, as a coffee club? On the one hand India keeps claiming that infiltrators are crossing over to indulge in “cross-border terrorism”, on the other hand they refuse Pakistan requests to increase UNMOGIP surveillance by increasing the number of ground observers to stop the alleged infiltration, there has also been international suggestions for heliborne surveillance teams along the LOC.

It is no surprise that with its usual arrogance and obstinacy, India flatly rejected the UNMOGIP proposal. Though there were some reservations on the Pakistani side, in the greater interest of peace and tranquility in the region Pakistan’s reaction has been different. While maintaining that symbolic observance of the cease-fire has no virtually effect on the ground because of the obdurate Indian intransigence, Pakistan welcomed UNMOGIP proposal and said we would observe “International Peace Day” on Sep 21 in all sincerity. Look at the statistics for the period of one year since Sep 21, 2002, the last time the “International Peace Day” was observed. During this period of one year India has lobbed as many as 80000 artillery shells and 120000 mortar rounds into Azad Kashmir. The casualties on our side of the LOC have been heavy, other than uniformed personnel, 127 civilians have been killed and 499 wounded, a overwhelming number of these are children, the primary target of Indian attacks. There have been more than 200 violations by aerial Remote Powered Vehicles (RPVA). If we were to add up all the casualties due to the terrorist attacks within India during the period since Sep 21, 2002, that India blames on “Pakistan-based terrorists” the casualty figures are far less than those the Indians have inflicted in their ruthless artillery and mortar attacks in the past year. {And it is nothing compared to the average of about 7500 Kashmiris killed and about 25000 injured every year, year after year, by Indian occupation forces within Kashmir since 1989}.

7500*15 years=112500 casualties

The idiot does not read my post properly, instead quotes another Pakistani idiot. The UN report does not mention 7500 casualities per day.

Accused in riot, killed in police firing, now a BJP-VHP martyr

As hundreds of villagers, BJP MP Jayaben Thakkar, local MLA Upendrasinh Gohil and VHP leaders watched, two Swaminarayan sadhus today unveiled the bust of Vakhatsinh Ramansinh Parmar in Desar.

The inscription on the marble plaque under the bust read: This memorial is to honour Ram Sevak Vakhatsinh Ramansinh Parmar who laid down his life in the attacks in retaliation to the killing of 58 karsevaks on the Sabarmati Express in Godhra on February 27, 2002. Parmar was killed in police firing on March 1, 2002, third Friday, Vikram Samvat, 2058.

Parmar was part of a mob that torched Muslim properties and attacked the police and he was named as an accused in the case. This is the first time in Gujarat that a riot accused has been publicly felicitated, though posthumously. The function, organised by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, was also attended by VHP�s Gujarat leaders, Arvindbhai Brahmbhatt and Vijaybhai Parnami.

According to police records, Parmar, 25, was among the two who were injured when the police opened fire to disperse a mob of around 400 who had attacked the police. The police was trying to stop them form torching Muslim properties. Parmar was injured and later died in a hospital. The complainant in the FIR was the PS in-charge PSI J J Choudhary who was transferred the day after it was filed.

The local MLA and MP did not find anything wrong in erecting a memorial for a mob leader in a village where Muslims form 30 per cent of the population. This is a fitting tribute to the youth for his sacrifices for the cause of Hindutva, said Thakkar.Accused in riot, killed in police firing, now a BJP-VHP martyr

http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=420962