A Space of One’s Own

Re: # 100

Temp, I am someone who respects other peoples views. This world is full of people that have their own views that may not be the same as mine. I am not on a ``crusade`` ;) to change peoples views.

Do remember that the two of us differ on Mushy, but then again it`s your view and i have to respect it the same way i hope that you respect mine.

I took NTS post on it`s merit that he did apologize in good faith. If it was not in good faith then he looses his creditability and would be treated like the gujju`s of chowk. (Which no sane human would like :)

I have not followed Kaalachakra so don`t know if it is Ralph or not...... but then you would know.... ;)

#93 by ntsyed:

miracles don`t cease!

you are not a quack (colloq: for a doc)...yet you are quacking now....so dear sir, happy quacking:)


c2:

something for you to ponder...do not be misled by the crocodilish apologies;)

what did he think i said to him in #41 right after he posted that hateful barrage in #41 ...without highlighting that `term of endearment` and other unwarranted verbal assaults?...what took him so long?...

also

our dear friend ralph (before that rational faith) is back as kaalchakra spreading love

rgds

t

NTS,

Apology accepted. You should be more careful with your words in the future. You may not be aware that there are desi ``Karanta`s`` that visit this website as well.

You remind me of a certain ``Ralph`` who visited this site quite often a few months ago. However he was the one who went after Muslims and spoke his mind. What i liked about him was that he never used foul lanugage when answering to his post. Many used profanity against him but it never seemed to rattle him.

Anyway go one with your battle and don`t give up.

92 boom box,

Why beat around the bush? My question still remains unanswered..... What was your point in post 89? Does it make any sense?

BTW read the last chapter of the Bible and you`ll find the answer. The answer to all your I-logs are in the last chapter. You will find many websites..... you will even find one in Urdu.

re: syed saheb # 95

I am curious to know the process by which you arrived at the conclusions you have so confidently listed:

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(Quran`s) science could not be fathomed when after 2 millenniums of his birth we`ve just learned that Mary`s conception of her son - `Isa (pbuh) - is a biological possibility in almost every single woman. Read the breakthrough by Japaneses and Korean scientist in asexual reproduction in mammals as of Feb/March 2004.

(Quran) contains entire history of this universe from the day Allah created it, and it contains the entire future.

Allah could have put each and every detail in the book and handed it to us without any Prophet or angel as intermediary.

But then, one cannot even guess how long it would take one to read just one chapter, let alone the whole book; especially the ones who find it cumbersome to read the 30 chapters.

Not only is it about the visible, but it also describes the invisible that we cannot understand without the (a) authentic Sunnah of the Prophet-pbuh, and (b) scholars (in that order) who devoted their lifetimes to make it easy for us to understand.

There are many more facets to this miracle. For your sake, I hope it`s beginning to sink in.

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I mean, did you find these remarkable ideas in the Quran itself? Did someone tell you about all these miraculous wonders? You read them somewhere (Assad?)? Or did these thought occur to you in a revelatory/inductive flash of complete brilliance?

Basically, what logical process and pathway did you adopt to reach this destination?

Thanks.

ntsyed: #95 Thanks for your response.

I realize that `th` is a letter in the Arabic script (as I made clear), but you are not an Arab nor am I an Arab (not that arabs are not nice people, in fact i am just coming from a community thing where a very nice arab lady showed us some very nice stuff artwork from damascus). Nor are there any Arabs on this board who would be confused if you referred to this gentleman Usman by his proper, nor does pronouncing a man`s name correctly have anything to do with the Quran.

So, I can only conclude that you suffer from some speech impediment (such as a lisp) that leads you to call Usman Uthman. The only other possibility is that you are so superficial as to think that you need to speak like an Arab in order to be a muslim - in which case I assume you will be referring to Baa Baa Black Sheep as Pa Pa Plack Theep.

I too have some minor time commitments, and so will end this post - but will inthallah (I mean inshallah) be back to respond to the remainder of your post.

Re: #87

tahmed

The `th` is the proper pronounciation for the fourth letter in the Arabic script, which differentiates it from `seen` and `saud` phonetics. Otherwise, one could mistake the meanings of the Quran while listening to its recitation. I hope the explanation will not impede your cosmopolitan growth.

Now that you`ve correctly guessed my shortage of time, I will pass on a round of Twisters by waiving the explanation inquiry on the following:

**...you, being a very intelligent man, have taken the alternative route of IMPLICITLY rejecting Quranic injunctions.**

I sincerely hope you`re not suffering from Sattar syndrome; his affliction seems to be in incorrigibly advanced stages. I`ve referred his case to Allah, for He is the Only One with all the cures.

Mullahs:
Come to think of it, it`s not the mullahs who rule Pakistan. It`s ruled by our ignorance of our own roots. If our forefathers had taught us Islam properly (not just 5 daily prayers and one time nazra without tajweed and understanding), we wouldn`t have allowed the 2-bit mullahs to hijack true Islam. Nor would we have allowed an opportunity to our disoriented, who prefer ``seculars``, to distort and/or demand elimination of Islam.

Quran does make things very simple; theoratically as well as pratically. The only trick to understand the simplicity. Typing may be very simple to you now, but think of the time when you started typing. Was it so simple then too? I don`t know about you, but most people I know wonder why did the inventors have to place the main keys where they have. We simply do not care to think how much research it may have taken some individual or group to arrange the letters in the manner we see today.

Anyway, Scholars like Salman Nadvi and Justice Uthmani are not merely translators of the Quran. Now, solve the following riddle to understand the concept:

a translator is to a

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as what a mechanic is to an engineer

Now ask yourself the following question:
If a person wishes to become a doctor, do you think: he/she can become one by watching a few doctors while they treated patients; by reading the entire medical curriculum without attending the lectures and labs and residencies and house jobs; one, on his/her own, could understand everything there`s to be understood in order to know in the profession of medicine?

Be fair to yourself my friend; do not overestimate your common sense when it comes to Quran.

Its poetry could not be understood, when most of us find it difficult to understand Meer and Poe`s work without thinking about the context, implicit, and explicit.

Its science could not be fathomed when after 2 millenniums of his birth we`ve just learned that Mary`s conception of her son - `Isa (pbuh) - is a biological possibility in almost every single woman. Read the breakthrough by Japaneses and Korean scientist in asexual reproduction in mammals as of Feb/March 2004.

It contains entire history of this universe from the day Allah created it, and it contains the entire future. Allah could have put each and every detail in the book and handed it to us without any Prophet or angel as intermediary. But then, one cannot even guess how long it would take one to read just one chapter, let alone the whole book; especially the ones who find it cumbersome to read the 30 chapters.

Not only is it about the visible, but it also describes the invisible that we cannot understand without the (a) authentic Sunnah of the Prophet-pbuh, and (b) scholars (in that order) who devoted their lifetimes to make it easy for us to understand.

There are many more facets to this miracle. For your sake, I hope it`s beginning to sink in.

Please do yourself a favor and don`t trivialize it. To understand it properly, seek guidance from Allah, for it only comes when sought, and respect the people who have devoted their lives for our future in this world and hereafter.

Simplicity, if misinterpreted and misunderstood can be fatally dangerous.

take care

Re: #90

CC

Being a father of a young daughter, I simply could not control my anger when I heard about the incident.

I do apologize for my mistake. It is inexcusable! I`ll be more than ready to accept any punishment meted out for that uncalled for offence.

I hope Allah will accept my repentance, forgive me, and keep me from repeating it in future.
Also I hope you and everyone here will forgive my imperfection.

Furthermore, I`m indebted to you for making me aware of it. Thank you!

re: #88:

I`m glad to be able to help you [b]prove[/b] something :)

At least you`re not a duck [0] anymore, but you`re still a quack... quack quack :)

Cheers

91:doublecc
What does this mean?

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Perhaps it means that I am not as nice as some mistakenly think so. Perhaps I am, but not so religious as some give me the credit for it.

Maybe I am a diehard Marxist-Leninnist who has found a new Trojan horse.

lot of may-bes there, no?

The profanity should have been a clear giveaway. You still ask.

Ask Kalachakra, he has a very sharp and clear mind about such issues.


or write to David Lamb , the Los Angeles reporter; because in post# 89 the reporting is his.
The missing `` `` marks (my error) notwithstanding, but pretty obvious.

89 Boom box,

What`s your point here? What does religion have to do with safety. Speak to brown people that have worked in Saudi and they will tell you how safe they felt when the stayed there. Read one worlds posts in UP and you`ll get the picture.

I still cannot figure out what you are trying to do. Your i-logs are filled with non-muslims converting to Islam..... it seems that you are a religious person but at the same time you don`t shy away from profanity. What does this mean?

BTW the Iranian examples that you have posted below are nice to see..... however Iran is a Shia country and my observation of this particular sect of Islam has been very refreshing.

NTS,

Re: 40....The dumb-ass secular five bribed a janitor (probably a karanti)
Why couldn`t a wog be the janitor? Why a karanta? Since you are a wog yourself you think that no wog would be able to do something like this? Guy, i had resepct for you but it seems that you not only are a reigious fanatic but also a racist.

David Lamb, the Los Angeles reporter, who wrote the bestselling book The Africans, while living and travelling for four years in Africa echoes this point. He states that one of the best comparisons between a Christian and Muslim country in Africa was the safety of the streets within the larger cities. He felt that he would never let his wife walk alone at night, and sometimes even during the day in most of the larger African Christian cities. Yet, he had no fear of permitting his wife to wander freely within any of the larger African Muslim cities.

Judy and I, during our 5 years in Senegal, a country of 7 million, of which 92% of the population claimed to be Muslim, don`t recall of ever having to fear for the safety of our women. Not once were they ever ``cat-called,`` and in the entire time there, we remember hearing of only one rape in our town of 350,000 individuals. On this point alone, Islam has proved to far excel Christianity with its care and discipline towards women.

So how do we respond to these views and findings as Christians?

nts# 82 and 83:

i repeat what i informed you kindly on another board

and this again confirms that you are delusional

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ntsyed sahib #86 Thank you for your kind humor sir. With respect to the origin of the 32, you should know that 73 minus 32 equals 41. And 41, as you must know sir, is the answer to all questions, and the meaning of 73 must be obvious to a scholar like you. Or you may wish to consult Maulana Uthmani (btw, do you have a speech impediment sir, that you are unable to say Usman and must say Uthman like the ``s`` challenged arbi people?) or some similar saintly expert for the significance of this number.

Anway, coming to the substance (knowing you have limited time), your fear of being struck by a thunderbolt if you explicitly rejected the Quranic injunctions is certainly well-founded. Therefore you, being a very intelligent man, have taken the alternative route of IMPLICITLY rejecting Quranic injunctions. Very clever sir, if I may say so. God has been fooled (and it is not even April 1 anymore) and does not realize that you are venerating the Quran while rejecting it. Like the Queen of England, the Quran reigns in isolated splendor as a figurehead but, like the government ministers that they wish to become, the mullahs rule.

More specifically, you write ``in order to bring back true Islam in Pakistan, scholars like Maulana Salman Nadvi, Justice Taqi Uthmani, etc. are needed, who did not issue fatawa on the fly, like some current traditional mullahs do. ``. But may I humbly ask sir, why the Quran is wrong in saying that it is a book to make things simple? Why did God make the mistake of translating the message into arbi (as the Quran says, it is merely the ``arabic Quran``, written for a people who are not literate in languages) when, per your formula, they could simply have asked some scholar like Justice Uthman to translate it from hebrew into explain it to them in plain words for every situation??

Re: #61 & #85

Dear tahmed32

Is the number 32 representative of your teeth or the springs you`ve enjoyed thus far. Just kidding.

As for your post #61, which refers to mine (numbered #59)... I`m sorry but for the most part you`re mistaking someone else`s words as mine.

The words you quote in #61 are not mine except for the first two, even when I rechecked the #59.

Anyway, to answer your questions: I agree with you that the term ``traditional mullah`` implies the presence of ``modern/enlightened mullahs``. I apologize for the confusion, but my reference is to the mullahs who are more indoctrinated by their regional culture/traditions than Islam, which in my view renders them unreliable, to say the least. Furthermore, mullah is a generic term, to me at least, which applies to anyone with a beard and shalwar above his ankles.

Having said that, in order to bring back true Islam in Pakistan, scholars like Maulana Salman Nadvi, Justice Taqi Uthmani, etc. are needed, who did not issue fatawa on the fly, like some current traditional mullahs do. The former remain(ed) in constant search to learn more and more about Islam and Allah and the Prophet (PBUH). Unfortunately, thus far people like him have been sidelined by the Pakistani drunkards for political elites in collusion with the farangi masters.

I hope to be struck by a thunderbolt from Allah before I ever claim that authentic Sunnah overrides Quranic verses (m`az Allah) in any way. What I do maintain is that the Sunnah (authenticly reported ones) are perfectly synchronized with Quran - in effect mirror each other, because the Prophet (PBUH) only did what Allah ordered him to do. Allah even testifies to that effect in the Quran.

(m`az Allah) Quran is not wrong or incomplete anywhere. However, there are a lot verses which only refer to certain situations instead of going into their details. Therefore one must read the authentic sunnah and exegesis to understand the background and context. For example, the slandering of `Aisha (ra); the Prophet (PBUH)`s marriage to Dhaid Bin Haritha (ra)`s divorcee; reference to Abu Bakar (ra); Allah`s testimony on behalf Jibraeel (as)`s when the disbelievers were accusing the Prophet (PBUH) with sorcery, not to forget His testimony for the Prophet (PBUH)`s honesty etc.

Allah could have revealed the whole Quran to any xyz, but the purpose of Sunnah and Allah`s repeated stress in the Quran to obey Him and His messenger (PBUH) is for people to see the practical application of Allah`s orders and observance of things He permitted or prohibited for us.

Anyway, I think there was a miscommunication somewhere, and I hope my response answers the questions you directed at me.

take care