A Space of One’s Own

ntsyed: while realizing your time is precious, i await your response to my post #61. I await your explanation of why the Quran is wrong when it makes it clear that there is no room for mullahs of any kind in islam - regardless of whether they are traditional (the ones of whom you have assured us you are no fan of) or the modern or ultra-modern or even the super-duper-ultra-modern mullahs (which presumably are the ones of whom you are a fan).

Why, sir, is the Quran wrong when it condemns intermediaries between man and God (thus cutting off the livelihood and political ambitions of the mullahs. Even mullahs wearing emperor-like robes like mullah fazloo.)??

Re. #53

hamid,

``...... actually i have not seen ms mirza play and have not seen her bosom, but i have heard about it ! ......... but i can assure you that people don`t watch women`s tennis to look at their legs unless they are perverts ...........in any case, there is nothing wrong with noticing or even admiring an attractive member of the opposite sex as long as you don`t stare, make lewd remarks or reach out and touch ............``

Mrs ntsyed wishes to know what/how would you feel and do if you came upon someone talking about mrs hamid or your daughters as you heard about sania?

Furthermore, what could/can/do you do to stop someone if he stared, made lewd comments or reached out and touched at your ladies?

She hopes you still have some red blood running through your veins and arteries... and so do I. Otherwise, we think you`re in the best place you could ever be. Chowk may not be for me, but Pakistan may not be for you anymore, especially if me and my ilk succeed in our efforts.

But you never answered, what would you do if the US reinstated military draft and you and your family members (including ladies) were called in? Run up to Canada or down to Mexico?

debajo de México llega a ser el país caliente para gringos también.

et le Canada garde disrespecting oncle sam sur les problèmes stratégiques

.....you know that, right?

Let me know if you wish to come to Pak, my mrs will keep some black tents handy for your ladies and I`ll keep some shar`i shalwars and jinnah caps handy for you and your lads. Plus we`ll reserve a well decorated yellow minibus for you and your entourage... give y`all a round of the wonderful city, especially our laloo khet and drop you off at sohrab goath for the connecting buses to the panchayat country. Trains will be too conspicuous for you to travel in.

Why would I do that? because, in spite of you, I like you.. and why is that?... because subh ka bhoola shaam ko ghar ajaye to usay bhoola nahi kehtay, pola kertay hain.

re: #82

my mistake Pseudo Joe Hate! It appears to be working now.

You can still keep the title!

re: #71

sorry meray pseudo goray sarkar,

I had not changed anything in the settings, and i don`t see anything to be changed either. it still appears deleted.

Re: #41

I thank you for the honor. Although, as I understand you had earned the title of ``Psuedo Joe Hate`` pretty early yourself. Please accept my belated congratulations on an astounding achievement. All the best to you in your futile endeavors.

re: #s77 & 78

Dear MJ,
Your compliment is appreciated.

Actually I have noticed an absence of ntsyedanis here, and this is not okay. The simple reason appears to be the hostilities hurled at the few ntsyeds by the few moronic seculars, which encourages former to keep to themselves. Please note that you are not included in the moronic secular owing to your civilized communication.

My seeming regression is due to lack of sane and durable “progressive” solutions available to our contemporary problems as offered by the secular bunch here.

And my obsession is just as good or bad as my opponents’ fixation of the western values that are coming apart at seams, if one cares to look at the trajectory and its expected projectile.

It is truly sad to see the enlightened people of chowk, apparently with “larger canvas of thought”, unable to successfully counter the 1400 year arguments my ilk and I present here beyond cursing the few misguided mullahs.

I wonder why? Could it be because the 1400 year old well I live in is far less deep and dark than my opponents seem to be in? The solution that comes to their mind is to eliminate all barriers and leave everything and everyone vulnerable to all ills brought in by the meager amount of air they mistake as freedom – “forget the precautions, we’ll think of the remedy when the illness appears in my backyard” approach.

I suppose ‘common sense’ here means acquiescing to the anti-Muslim pressures to revolt against Islam?

Large canvas: as in as large as the west and its crumbling societies within a couple of centuries at best? Or is it a “large canvas” of pragmatism to take the chicken exit by employing quick fixes, rather than do something lasting to alleviate/eliminate the problems?

As disturbed as Bush may be due to loss of leadership status for all the democratic countries of the world, let alone Europe and Canada, I think it’s about time USA was relieved of this self-assumed responsibility.

As for turmoil in Canada, perhaps you haven’t looked under the snow covered ice. Case in point, if you can understand: African east coast was too far away to be affected by the tsunami in Indonesia/Sri Lanka region; Canada is far too closer to the US than Africa is to Indonesia.

Most European countries have their own similar problems if you care to follow the news. It’s only a matter of time before all these volcanoes erupt.

Freedom is a very valuable gift from Allah. We pay high price for it, thus it has to be preserved and protected before the corrupt internal and external elements exploit and take it away from us; as is the case with Pakistan. I enjoy my freedom as long as I don’t have to pay for it with severe humiliation later on. The bad aspects of anything have to be minimized first with prevention and only then the remedies can be effective. I hope that tickles your common sense?

”the downside to islamic peculiar view of women is that women can`t live a normal life. you seem to ignore the fact that she is given a fully functional brain and a body. objectively speaking, they are more than 80% similar to men.”

Far from it my friend, you’re way too much indoctrinated by the fundamentally flawed westerns notions of Islam and women. What you’ve expressed here may be applicable to the current politicized versions of Islam in Pakistan – peeri-faqiri, karokari, and all other such innovations in Islam; not true Islam.

It’s a misconception that true Islam discourages women to live normally; Islam never bans women from education and employment, business, leadership, etc. To the contrary, true Islam encourages them to be active members of the society. The only requirement is to remain within the Islamic guidelines just as men must. Just because anyone gets a degree and a job doesn’t mean he/she has earned the right to flout Islamic values by rendering them outdated. The current dilemma is that men in Pakistan don’t follow those guidelines as they should, therefore one can’t expect women to do it either.

Further responses to your responses to my allegations (actually I didn’t allege anything, there are derived from official governmental and non-governmental American statistics):

I can go one by one, but all of them will have the same response: you’ve failed to identify and/or justify the causes for those ills in the continental USA. Recognizing the fact that all countries have these ills, as Pakistanis we’re only concerned about Pakistan and desperately search for a solution.

Mind you, there isn’t a single country in my knowledge with comprehensive shari’a law, even if it is purportedly a Muslim country (refer to my article for the reason). KSA, which has more of it than any other country, enjoys far fewer incidents of those ills, due to the preventive and severe remedial laws of Shari’a. The statistics are present in the CIA and other intelligence agencies’ reports.

**>>> *increasing statistics of extramarital affairs, still a major cause of divorce
it`s only your morality that views it as a taboo. don`t forget that animals always have extramerial sex and nobody lays an eyebrow. oh, are you going to allege me for comparing humans with animals? let me accept it before you say so, who else are we? animals with one extra dimension!**

I hope you weren’t “tun” (inebriated) while formulating this response, because, I’m sorry but, this has got to be the sorriest response I’ve ever seen in this context.

**>>> *a steady high rate of STD including AIDS
do you think it is from god? what if animals are threatenned with AIDs? will god send some prophet for them?**

You were tun, weren’t you? LOL

Come on MJ, you’re much more intelligent than this.

And then this…
>>> *the thriving prostitution
so? it`s a human need, let`s be brave about it.
Be brave about it and dehumanize the women into satisfying men’s needs? I wonder what liberal women will have to say about it
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Now tell, me how many had you had before you hammered these responses on the keyboard, ‘cause they seem more than just a Freudian slip?

**after writing this long futile post, I think I can feel the two horns which have appeared on my head. it`s not a good thing for me to touch ntsyed lengths in my posts, knowing that there is no outcome to it. **

On the contrary, there is an outcome: as you noted yourself, you can feel two horns appearing on your head. I tend to believe someone else is forcing them on there. At least you’re beginning to acknowledge their presence. How you remove them is your choice.

The point is that Pakistan needs a major overhaul as it nears civil war, and everyone will have to make some adjustments in the process. Now we have only two options to avert that catastrophe: (a) install service packs and grafts from deteriorating western societies, or (b) implement true Islamic laws (not the current perverted versions of it). In either case, people will have to implement the laws upon themselves to help the government implement it at the macro level. You can’t expect the law to help you much if you leave your valuables exposed and vulnerable.

The first solution seems easier, but it comes with little security of any kind, because not all people of the society can be as enlightened as you – the intellectual and sexual gradation will always be there. Because of this weakness the society will have to waste its cycles on applying SPs and firefighting, instead of advancing the nation into the firm and secure future. Secondly, the hodgepodge of many ideals and systems will eliminate standards by which laws could be formulated and enforced. We have seen the results of enforcing non-Shari’a law on Muslim population; it’s been just as futile as mixing oil and water.

On the other hand, the true Islamic system first of all installs precautions in the society, even if it seems oppressive. The precautions reduce the illnesses, thus the cost of remedies is alleviated as well. It is a misperception that Islam does not allow women outside the home. The women who cover themselves according to Shari’a are more at ease outside because it allows them to be less conscious about uncivilized men (which every community has its share of) staring at their physique – “freedom of mind versus freedom of dressing” concept. Which one is more important? Take your pick. The true Islamic laws go far beyond the western concept of security and privacy.

Islam is about responsibility at every level – from individuals to the rulers. The western/non-muslim concepts of such responsibilities have either failed or failing rapidly… just look at the world around you.

The only problem is that the westernized Pakistanis abroad and their ilk back home are not willing to make any changes in their lifestyles for the greater good of the country, whereas the majority of Pakistanis, including women, desire implementation of true Islam in all aspects of life because there’s more hope in security than in vulnerability of openness. The simple reason being (and I know this is going to burn you up again) true Islam offers equal rights and proper protection to women more than any system in the world.

We can ill afford to omit the human element – hormones, natural selection, and the innate need to procreate (which emerges as “fun” in our brains) – from the equation of freedom. To ensure our individual and collective freedom, we must use these powerful elements of our existence wisely. Since a lot of us can not learn to do it on our own, the law should keep them in check until they learn to control themselves and see its benefits. Because the basic premise of laws is to keep the law-abiding decent people safe.

I wish you would think about these aspects carefully instead of compulsively responding to them off the top of your head, because my dear friend, I have chewed, digested, and excreted all the your lame reasons you present here.

As for…
** …no wonder why chowk rejected your article. actually this is evident from your posts which are regressive and obsessive. they are simply boring because you don`t like to stick to common sense, …**

there goes chowk’s credibility as purveyor of “freedom of speech” to allow diverse ideas and opinions; which proves my suspicion of it being nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece for the anti-Islam camp.

Regards,

Re. #74
shukran jazeelun ya ukhti! Perhaps I should you count you amongst the ones not hostile to me.

m`as-salaama

A glimpse into FUNDAMENTALIST, MULLAH-RULED, SHARIAH-LAW, HUDOOD-ORDINANCE ENFORCED nation

news.bbc.co.uk

THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN!

The Raushan-khayal KanjaRRs from the secular/munaafique/libseral/human should know where the best education & learning is acquired--Madressas! Look at the leaders--fluent & scholars an farsi, arabie, angraizee, franceesee, german, these mullahs are also doctors, lawyers and engineers from Harvard & Sorborne ( piece of Jalaibee--if you got your early education at a Madressa--Like our own Jinnah[Sind Madressa-tul-Islam& Gandhi--Islami Maktab & hindu Paatshaala)

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Iran salutes female `Schumacher`
By Natalia Antelava
BBC correspondent in Tehran

Laleh Seddigh behind the wheel
Seddigh has been given the title of Iran`s best female racing driver

Women car racers in Iran have been awarded prizes for the first time in the history of the Islamic republic.

At a racing event for women organised by Iran`s automobile federation, there was one woman who many in Iran believe could outperform me
news.bbc.co.uk

syed sahib,

forgot to say, no wonder why chowk rejected your article. actually this is evident from your posts which are regressive and obsessive. they are simply boring because you don`t like to stick to common sense, but try to elude it(successfully). I have suggested it before, chowk is not for you. it is for poeple who have a larger cavas of thought. you tend to live inside the well you are lying in for 1400 years. you should try your luck somewhere else where you will be taken with arms wide open, for example islamists.com or fundos.org

best of luck !

nt #73:
syed sahib,

have you ever wondered why there is no ntsyedani on chowk? do you think this is okay?

I must admire your skills to articulate your world view so effectively. no wonder that is why you are able to live in it. i am sure i can`t outsmart you in this, but let`s try to explain things:

the problems you have put down about US might be specific to US. i can tell you there is no termoil here in canada and i think it is the same for most europian countries. the problems with US have many other dimensions to it and US cannot be quoted as the representative of the secular nations.

generally speaking, when you make something leagal which has good as well as bad aspects, you expect the bad side of it to show too. take driving. it has the negative effects of accedent related deaths, insurance costs, pollution etc. but it`s goods outweigh it`s bads. your problem is that you live in a world where you don`t value freedom as something important.

the downside to islamic peculiar view of women is that women can`t live a normal life. you seem to ignore the fact that she is given a fully functional brain and a body. objectively speaking, they are more than 80% similar to men. and please note that we are not talking about forcing women not to perform hijab or to work. we are talking about freedom here.

here are your allegations:

>>>*increasing number of stalking, kidnappings, and rapes
very common in every part of the world including muslim countries. just that muslim countries don`t have much stats. and these have to do with civility of people.

>>>*endemic problem of the Date Rape,
yes, freedom brings more probability to it. but this is something which needs to be tackled without taking away the freedom. and please note that rape isn`t as big moral phenomenon in the sexually open places as it is in let`s say saudi arabia. as i can remember, in my mohalla in rawalpindi, a couple of my friends fooled a girl on date and raped them taking turns. she wasn`t able to sue anybody though.

>>>*Bimboism of the famous politicians
???

>>>*increasing incidents of rape in the armed forces
pakistani forces did this in bagladesh, and they did it to perfection. this point actually goes against your arguments because fojis are somewhat like muslims, sexually starved because of prohibition. :-p

>>>*Child molestation
do you think pakistan has less child molestation than US??? give me a break.

>>>*the rising reports of incest
nature is the guardian itself.

>>> *increasing statistics of extramarital affairs, still a major cause of divorce
it`s only your morality that views it as a taboo. don`t forget that animals always have extramerial sex and nobody lays an eyebrow. oh, are you going to allege me for comparing humans with animals? let me accept it before you say so, who else are we? animals with one extra dimension!
>>> *consistently high statistic of unwanted pregnancies
well, third world has a lot more unwanted pregnencies in the married.

>>> *a steady high rate of STD including AIDS
do you think it is from god? what if animals are threatenned with AIDs? will god send some prophet for them?

>>> *the thriving prostitution
so? it`s a human need, let`s be brave about it.

>>>*the continuous growth of multi-billion $$$ porn industry, and how many abducted underage girls and boys from all over the world are sold into this market
what`s so hot about it? do you think there is no niche for this in pakistani people? i can bet the hits on prono websites would be a lot more from major cities of pakistan now than any western one.

after writing this long futile post, I think I can feel the two horns which have appeared on my head. it`s not a good thing for me to touch ntsyed lengths in my posts, knowing that there is no outcome to it.

anyways,
take care

y.....a......w.....n

abdul-hates and their cut n paste spamming and diatribes!

One need not be a westernised KanjjaRR , walking-talking-& hawking like an Amreeky in Pakistan, to excel at academics or sports or whatever.

Until and unless the women in Pakistan do not STOP their Zaanee, Haraamkhore, sharabi husbands/fathers,brothers to take bribes, use/abuse family women for self-advancement in promotion & rank, forcing women to drink & dance & do westenish stuff to look raushan-khayaal , enlightened and moderate NOthing is going to change.

It is the General Iqleem Ranis of Pakistan who push their ``General`` ( to maj. level) to compete for vehicles, batmen, houses, furniture etc etc. They taunt them that because of their ````sharaafat`` and ``mullah-ways`` the family is `behind`. ``Everyone is doing ``it`` now..we should do `it` as well if we want foreign looks & manners``

These are the women of Haraamzaadays & Ghulaamzaadays in Pakistan. Incidentally, most of them happen to be `muslim`.

It is quite an open secret that many westernised NGO`s are running ``respectable`` brothels & the Madames supply these girls to their foreign-funders. Of course the four-witness law is brought in with gusto & pride to ``prove`` such allegations. Shariat & hudood are very conveniently invoked at such a juncture by these same westernised secularised-liberal-humasnists.


The old Indian adage `` Jaisaa Raja, vaisee Parjaa`` meaning the tone of morality & character of a nation is set by the ``elite`` , higher-ups, big-shots, VVVips, english-apeaking, so-called ``parrhay-likhhays``, anglo-cultured totaa-mainaas, the Ba Ba Blacksheep.

Jaisaa Rajaa, Vaisee Parjaa also means one elected throught the donut-democracy the process of top-down `democracy` gets set in motion. If the KanjaRR President takes his wife to please his foreig masters, then the lower scale scum of this bum will do the same. Has anyone EVER seen Chinese, German, Indian, French, Russian ( except Gorbachev--the snake) or anyone valuing honour & dignity do it? No, never. Abbey goray kee aulaado beevee ko naukri pay kyooN lay jaatay ho. Kyaa iss liyay kay ``maadern`` lago? Daddy ko khuush kro?

LaanUt LUkhh Laanut on the anglicsed, westernised Pakistan military & civil servants of goraa in Pakistan. Such scum is infesting public & private corporations as well--abay chhachoondar kay tukhmO! daftar meiN sivai angraizee kay aur kuchh nahee boltay?
Saaray forms aur kaghaz angraizee meiN chhapvaatay haiN.

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And then next door there is Islamic Republic of Iran. where ShariaH and Hudood is judiciously enforce.

Oh you totaa-mainaas listen to the one who left before the Revolution and returns there every year. Listen and listen good what a Woman who lives in the west reports about the FUNDAMENTALIST, SHARIAH-RULED, HUDOOD-ENFORCED ISLAMIC Iran

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...``people in the west have this patronizing view of Iranian women as victims needing deliverance, and they see themselves as having all the answers. I find that view as sexist as anything I see in Iran. Iranian women not only are - to state the obvious - individuals - they are an incredibly active, dynamic, strong group. Women`s sports, for example, has mushroomed since the revolution - all of it with women`s coaches. The original highest ranking Iranian government official was in charge of women`s sports. And a couple of Iran`s most prominent film directors are women. Not to mention that there are more women in the Iranian majlis than in the U.S. senate -- all of them fundamentalist who are interested in interpreting Islam to offer more justice for women. The most feminist idea I`ve ever heard came from a fundamentalist woman who was the editor of Zan-e-Rooz -- the proposal that housewives receive compensation and benefits. You just have to walk down a city street in Tehran to get a sense of how forceful Iranian women tend to be, or see some of the women characters portrayed in Iranian cinema - like the woman who became her husband`s boss, in ``Hamsar``, to cite one example - to demolish your preconceptions. So the stereotypes get old.... ``

Gelareh Asayesh grew up in Tehran. Her family moved to the United States in 1977, shortly before the Islamic Revolution transformed Iran. In 1990, after fourteen years of absence, she returned to Iran for a visit. Since then, she has returned almost every year, most recently for three months this past spring and summer. Her book, Saffron Sky: A Life Between Iran and America, is out from Beacon Press this mo

[Perhaps they also did appear, but were deleted when I saw them. The reason I suspect those were deleted is because echoboom and khamkhwa have historically supported my views. I have no reason to believe they would counter me this time, because my views remain the same as the day I became a member of this portal.] - #69.

nutty...
it`s time you were admitted man...me and support you of all the nuts...naah...me and uncle boom boom do exchange shair-o-shayeri on aghlaam bazi and other perverted arts but never on religion or politics...maybe you need to change your glasses too...;)

Re: #67

malikjahanzeb: ``in modren societies, in which law and order is strong, the benefits of sexual intermingling and liberty are far far more than it`s few draw backs (sexual predator phenomenon). in the context of these societies, you cannot show that sexual freedom is overall a bad thing. Can you?``

Explain the following for me please: (don`t worry about the societieS for now, just give me the reasons and statistics from the US, since the laws and order there is ``strong``, and apparently has (or should have) ``benefits`` of sexual intermingling)

*increasing number of stalking, kidnappings, and rapes
*endemic problem of the Date Rape,
*Bimboism of the famous politicians
*increasing incidents of rape in the armed forces
*Child molestation
*the rising reports of incest
*increasing statistics of extramarital affairs, still a major cause of divorce
*consistently high statistic of unwanted pregnancies
*a steady high rate of STD including AIDS
*the thriving prostitution
*the continuous growth of multi-billion $$$ porn industry, and how many abducted underage girls and boys from all over the world are sold into this market

malikjahanzeb:
``let`s say that sexual feelings are something evil. islam says that to keep people pure, it restricts their interaction.``

answer:
sexual feelings are not evil unless used in a prohibited manner. I think it was Shakespeare or someone else who put it just right: an object itself is not good or evil/bad; it`s how it is used renders is good or bad. For example, a kitchen knife. Similarly, sex is an innate requirement for all animal survival. But it must be used properly to increase the chances of survival for all. Its indiscriminate and excessive use is prohibited because of the very problems we witness around the world today including the advanced nations. Its sanctioned use (marriage) is encouraged in Islam becuase that enforces control and responsibility in individuals.

malikjahanzeb:
``i say that the more people get starved of sex, the more their sexual feelings become accumulated and the person becomes so desparate that no wonder he looks at moon and imagine it`s a big breast and looks at every hole he can find as if it is well....... this is where your context of dealing this issue comes from.``

answer:
I hope in your quest to explain the phenomena I mentioned above (to answer your first question) should have provided you the answer to this too. It`s just a false concept. If sexual openness could desensitize human sexual needs/instincts, married couples could not continue to produce children decades since their first time. There wouldn`t be an issue of polygamy and extramarital sexual affairs. The porn industry couldn`t keep growing, which is tragically now only a mouse click away from the children`s reach.

malikjahanzeb:
``since you represent the starved and desparate side, you take even a little matter involving sex to be a thing of paramount importance.``

answer:
If you look back in the US history, even in the 50s things were very good. Men respected women more than they do now. That system had survived centuries and millenniums. Once Hugh Heffners and Larry Flints came out with their right to publish Playboy and Hustler, and the movies started steamier, and the sexual openness started. How quickly - in perhaps less than 50 years - things have gone to the point that decent modest people of all faiths and colors and ethinicity are aghast. This openness has substantially contributed in the destruction of families in the US.

Again, I hope your research in the aforementioned phenomena is helping to answer this query too.

malikjahazeb:
``it is you who looks at players` bosoms while a fulfilled guy will watch the game.``

answer:
was I the one describing sania mirza`s ample bosom and venus william`s legs, or your buddy hamid?

What about the non-Muslim participants of this board, who have confessed to enjoy the femininity of the players while enjoying the game? They claim not to be rapists or perverts, and I have no reason to believe they are. But the fact remains that they are secure in their masculinity to admit that they enjoy watching feminine athletes` endowments accessories and may get aroused in the process.

malikjahanzeb:
``so, it is a stupid that islam`s policy to reduce something actually increases it many fold.

sometimes, i wonder how stupid looking the laws of almighty can get.``

answer:
To legalize a social ill does cure it. Just like removing prohibition on alcohol has only exacerbated the alcohol related crimes and incidents in the US - including rape and incest. The Right to bear arms has increased the number of homicides. Similarly the right to bare tops and bottoms in public only add to the frustrations of the sexually deprived. If haven`t noticed, there are lots of men and women in the west who don`t `get it` on regular basis, if ever. Therefore this right to bare sensual skin drives them nuts to the point of committing crimes they wouldn`t want to commit otherwise.

The point is Malik Saab, one cannot remove the human biological, physical, psychological factors from such utopian formulae. A lot of people don`t even know what exactly attracts them sexually towards another person. I`m sure you must have noticed that natural selection starts very early on among boys and girls we normally consider innocent ``children``; that`s because it is part of the `id` - another aminal needs of human as eating and sleeping, etc.

How does Islam know that? Well, my friend because it was not cooked up by Prophets (peace be upon them) in their kitchen, contrary to what some here believe.

Islam was formulated by Allah - the One Who created man and woman.

Just like an engineer who designs and builds a machine knows most about it than anyone else, the One who created us knows exactly what we are capable of and what our weaknesses are.

If you seriously read Quran and Sunnah, you will see that whatever Almighty Allah allows and forbids for us are actually the things that benefit us, not the angels, or Him.

A simple example is that of parents and children. Whatever the parents tell the child to do is for the benefit of the child. If you did everything your mother told you to do, you`d not only make her the happiest mother on earth, you`ll also take care of yourself more than you can imagine.

Think about it, it`s not rocket science. It`s very simple stuff, but one only needs to think. It doesn`t take guts to be ntsyed, because Islam is for the simple man... the simple man only needs to believe in Allah and obey Him and the simple man`s life will remain simple. And it`s not even a blind faith, but we`ll discuss that some other time.

Sorry for taking so much of your time, but you asked for explanation without thinking how long my explanations can be :D

M`as-salaam

ps: to #71

i wrote to chowk

they deleted only one post by echoboom because it was causing formatting problems for others...and not for reasons you speculated

nts # 69:

your hateful and unsubstantiated post ( # 40) is still there....the reason why you cannot read your own hateful post is because your settings are filtering it out...my response to it #41 is also there...

... I`ve not seen any article here that talks positively about the real Islam....
well, write and submit one then....and if you need any help with submissions etc. you can write to me...

...Perhaps they also did appear, but were deleted when I saw them. The reason I suspect those were deleted is because echoboom and khamkhwa have historically supported my views. I have no reason to believe they would counter me this time, ...

...perhaps?you are spitting at the moon bhai sahib;)

this is highly speculative and the psychiatirc term is delusional

rgds

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mj:

you have a valid point in asking for the proof...i decline to publicly offer it here but if asked i can offer it to chowk staff...

...most old timers here have caught chusni/echoboom in the act on other threads...

...what you call it imagination? might appears as vulgarity to others

rgds

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