A Journey Through Our Conscience

ustruly,

...... i said ``mere sex objects `` ....... the operative word is ``mere`` ......... the fact of the matter is that men brought up in sexually segregated societies have a difficult time viewing a woman as anything other than a support system for the vagina ............ and please don`t quote your favourite book ............

Urstruly: 174

I think any man who says that women are NOT sex objects is either lying to his teeth....

allow me to edit:

I think anyperson who says that women are NOT sex objects is either lying to his/her teeth...

Malikjahanzab:
It is www.erdubazaar.com and NOT .net

also: Very good audios here:

WWW.Bhatkallys.com or go straight to: http://www.bhatkallys.com/audio/default.asp

ntsyed & Urstruly and the ``Unsung ones``: You too will find a treasure-trove of audio material. Voices of Asatiza in Urdu poetry as well as talks by Jayaad Aalims like Suleman Nadvi, Abul-Kalaam Azaad, Mualana Maudoodi and many many others with different perspectives and viewpoints on many interesting matters.

For music afficindios, esp who like the real stuff [ I hate the word `classical` --it reeks of mummies & mortuaries. ``gift`` of bURRa-saab to us]

Dost Mittar , Kalachakra, rahul_capri, Raw-dust and so many other proud & honourable Indians would love it.
http://www.sawf.org/music/articles.asp?pn=Music

Surjit Singh`s dedication & passion: http://films.hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html


http://www.dishant.com: Indian music

I am sure the popular ones, most would be knowing. so I did not mention them.

www.Pakistanvision.com and www. Muziq.com [ In case Indians did not know them. Watch excellent Pakistani dramas here for free. Good reception]

I think any man who says that women are NOT sex objects is either lying to his teeth or has ED or he is a she-man. Women ARE sex objects for crying out loud or Freud was the biggest hack of our age.

malik,

.......... in case you are confused about the kulla in ``zanaan-kulla``, no woman would use the word ``kunna`` in front of her children ...........right ?

Re: # 163

malikj,

............``zanan-kulla`` !........... i haven`t heard that word in ages - you must have some roots in the frontier ......... another word my mother often used was ``zan-mureed`` ........... actually zanaan-kulla is used to describe an effeminate man while zan-mureed is ``one who worships women``........ therfore, i would describe myself as zan-mureed - and quite proud of it , i might add ! (not that i have much of a choice with two daughters and a wife that run the house )...........

......... anyway ..... i am convinced that our horrible attitude towards women, which borders on extreme misogyny, is the direct result of segregation of sexes .........we grow up without really knowing any women other than out mothers and sisters and as a result we tend to view all other women as mere sex objects ............ as adults we are quite incapable of communicating with them other than through insipid marital sex or violent sex outside of marriage, i.e. rape ............. therfore, it is good to spend time with women so that we don`t grow up to be perverts ............

165:MalikJahanzeb

Locate unplugged. It is above on this page on the right side of the line which shows date, archive etc. right below: ``gymkhana.

Click on unpulugged. Page will open. Where it says ``off the wall discussion`` click. Page opens.

Now here, you either post new topic or post on an existing topic.

Msa-eb aur thhay pUr jee kaa jaana


P.S: shairoan kay intikhaab ney rusvaa kiyaa...

www.urdupoint.com
www.eurdubazaar.net
www.loveurdu.com
www.urdu123.com
www.apniurdu.com
www.urdustan.com
www.alqamaronline.com
www.nazrana0.com (notice zero not `O`)


are some goog urdu sites. Any other you know?

RE: #158

Kaalchakra,

You need to cease insidious provocations: such as rewording The Quran on Human Embryonic Development as ``human embryos found inside quran``.

Unless of course, you`re unable to discuss such topics in a civilized manner.

I could respond by leveling your beliefs, books, and your entire existence with all its tentacles in a similar short sentence, but since you`ve demostrated your inferiority yourself, I don`t need to humiliate you any further.

If you can`t come up with an intelligent question/answer then silence will maintain your worthiness more than anything else.

Until you`ve acquired such civility, I`ll remove from my screen the miniscule dusty dot representative of you :-)~

Re: # 147

Dear MJ

My mistake for considering the information on this portal public domain.

Nevertheless, I`ll try to instruct the PayPal to convey to you 50SR worth of apologies and 50SR worth of gratitude for not demanding its return.

:-)~

P.S.: I enjoy your poetic taste. Hopefully you`re not thinking of commercializing it. That`ll be a crying shame, considering what you offer is priceless in literary terms.

I`ll let you know about the answer-islam later on, insha Allah.

M`as-salaam

``Yes... but here is where the truth comes out... legal systems don`t matter in our part of the world... which is why despite being legally a theocratic-dictatorship, Pakistan is way ahead of India, a so called secular democracy, as a progressive and liberal society``

Above is a gem from an educated pakistani, manolives aka YLH aka the great friend of dost mitter and stuka. He has a valid point, even though honour killing is legal, there are still women in pakistan, even though rape conviction needs 4 male witnesses, he knows of one woman who has not been raped.

This is the reality of pak education, they are the obstacles to any progress, to any change.

m-j

that link i posted....

it has ghalib in urdu, roman urdu, devnagri

just click

and enjoy

for those who are busy in ranting their shit over echoboom,

ham-pesha-o-ham-mashrab-o-ham-raaz hay mera,
Ghalib ko bura kiyoo kaho,,, acha ! mere agay ?

:-D

Re: # 164 echo:

I have exactly the same problem iwth this rasm-ul-khat. temporal sent me a nice link on ghalib but when i knew that it was in roman, saara maza khaak mein mil gaya.

it is like i can`t adore a beatiful eastern woman if she is wearing jeans and t-shirt. similarly, poetry`s beauty is in it`s native khat.

you didn`t specify how can we locate a channel in unplugged?

masaayeb aur thay, magar jee ka jaana,
ajab ik saaniha saa ho gaya hay...

sirhaanay Meer ke aahistah bolo,
abhi tuk rotay rotay so gaya hay.....

MalikJahanzeb: 161

Shayad yeh sunaa ho *:

Kal University meiN kisi suit-posh sey
poochha yeh meiN naiN,``aap haiN kya koi seargent``?
kehnay lagay keh ``aap ko maaloom bhee naheeN?
I am the head of the Urdu-Department``

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Let us share shairs . Unplugged is a better venue for that.
Click on unplugged file on top. and go to ``off the wall discussions``. Lot of rapid responses
and discussion possible there on a subject of your choosing.

A lot more fun place.

It is not like the Phenyle and formaldehyde reeking frontpage.

* Iss rasmulkhat meiN likhnaa aisay hai jaisay Taj-mehal meiN zina-bil-jabr...Kyaa kraiN Ghulaamee

``Ai saakinaan-i kuunj-e Qafas subh sey saba
suuntee hee jaey gee, soo-ey Gulzaar. Kuuchh kaho``

Haaaey.....

hamidm uncle,

please go ahead with your plans. we really lack `zanaan-kunnas` on chowk. and by the way, i was noticing the trend that more and more articles are comming from women, it`s something like `qehet-ur-rujaal` where men are only there only to bravo women writers.

once i was on my way from mareerh-hasan stop to chandni chowk in pindi, two bearded, god fearing gentlemen were talking ahead of me in the hiace wagon. one said, `janab, you know rasool-e-pak had said that one of hte signs of armagadon would be that men will be seen hanging on tall trees at the bottom of which will be seventy women each, viciously waiting for them to come down so that they can extinguish their lust`. `indeed, indeed`, the second god fearing man replied. then the two men said touba touba.

touba touba

teshah,

That is a good post. Tell the world what the book says. As the indians have done, manusmriti is crap, so we legislate against sati, dowry and the lot. Is there any one in pakistan bold enough to say that the book is crap, no not at all, it is the islamic republic of pakistan. It is time that the fools of pakistan the ylh and the temporals accept this reality and do not try to present pakistan as a progressive country.
What a tribute to enlightened moderation, marathons are banned for women. Stuka, take not, where are you when we need you. Read dawn, do not go to pakistan for two days and declare pakistan society as similar to singapore.