A Journey Through Our Conscience

Re: # 189

MJ,

sorry I couldn`t access the answer-islam page through my ISP. Could you please copy and paste the response in question to me? I wish to ascertain which one is correct and validated.

thanks

Re: # 88

hamidm,

Actually Mrs ntsyed wished to know your reaction if you overheard anyone objectify your lovely ladies in a fashion that dehumanizes them, which you seem to have successfully circumvented. She thinks women shouldn`t need to be noticed outside if provided enough attention in her home.

Anyway, thank you for describing your planet so eloquently.

It`s interesting to read the comments for this article..

looks like now Muslim women are prevented from running outside and soon their faces will be off the advertisements..

Actually If you read Quran, it`s mostly addressed to men (arab).. which implies that it is ONLY men who are capable of comprehending, and it is men who have to disseminate the knowledge to slaves and womenfolk.. (like how many wives / sex slaves they can have etc.. etc..). So women should NOT be educated and need to be taken out of schools..and it is the duty of the ``believing men`` to lead others.. Otherwise they would end up with some ``questioning`` muslim women which is not good for a true and peaceful Islamic society.

Pakistan should follow the ``Taliban`` way of true islamic teachings.. and prohibit women from studying..

:-))

Re: # 194

........ i don`t understand how that is a circular argument ...... both sides should refrain from quoting the book because the message is garbled and any one can quote it any which way they want ......... it is best to leave that stuff to angels and jinns and other such creatures - it has little use for men (and women) .......``

hamid bhai,

The argument is circular because on one hand you insist that women should be treated equally and afforded their God given status. But when one quotes the Quran to establish that status, you label the message as garbled. Thus, implicitly rendering the whole message, proper status of women inclusive, as mere fantasy. Thus your insistence seems nothing but an empty rhetoric.

As for ``any one can quote it any which way they want...`` - that`s why Allah stresses that His believers follow the Prophet (peace be upon him) as the latter educated his companions (radhi Allah o anhum), who then taught their next generations, and so forth.

Men (and women) have just as tremendous benefits as the angels and jinns, if they followed the proper chain of narration to get to the authentic ahadith of the Prophet (pbuh) in order to understand the Quran in its correct context. Otherwise, we`ll be left with the likes of some disoriented self-proclaimed Progressive Muslims here who contradict themselves in the same sentence and fail to substantiate their claims.

When I renounce the western concept of secularism, it`s not out of sheer ignorance of it. I have seen, lived, and breathed that system. That experience highlighted to me its inherent major blackholes. Then I started to study the Quran and ahadith. May be you`d still not believe me, but it is an absolutely simple yet powerful message. It is simply about responsibility - for individuals as well as the community and the rulers. Muslims cannot simply accuse the rulers/clergy for their incompetence and Quran as garbled message if they don`t do their part. Everyone has to fulfill his/her responsibility to keep this vehicle moving.

The only requirement is to study it with honesty. While some tenets are very clear in the Quran for anyone to understand, for others that require detailed explanations, one needs to use all the references (authentic ahadith) to understand their proper context. Otherwise, we`ll keep running in circles with our circular arguments... and we`ll keep looking for that perfect system after each one of them fails - Stalinism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Capitalism, and so forth. All this while we continue to ignore the perfectly balanced system - Islam - Created for us by the One who Created us. How did He do that? Because as the Creator, only He knows our actual weaknesses, strenghts, needs, desires, our origin as well as our destination.

M`as-salaam

MalikJahanzeb:
Javab aaN ghazal:

``Sookha paRRa hai ubb toa, muddat sey yeh doa-aaba``

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superb!

Re: # 202 yeah, the holy prophet didn`t have to anything by himself on this occasion, i wonder he didn`t give the luxary ticket to heaven to that guy. on other occasions, the holy prophet had to plan for the assassinations of those who criticized.

naara-e-takbeerr

okay guys, let`s see if you it works or not.

if you don`t see the image, you can find it here:

Yeh jo chashm-e pur-aab hein donoN....




guess who is the poet?

Re: # 178

I am sorry dear Sajal I took you as a man. I am glad that as expected you took it all rubbish. I will reply to your post later on in detail but presently I present you some more `rubbish` for your dispassionate comments:

Sunnan Abudaud

Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother(a sex-slave who bears one`s children out of wed-lock) who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him (Why she did so?). He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master(mind, not a husband); she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

#197 and #198:

looks like a turf fight

the point it highlights is once again women are being made a scapegoat and they have no recourse to justice

a point that sajal and other women have made many times and they are fleeced by obfuscation

the query remains:

where is justice for abused women

Re: # 196 wow ! that`s a lot of general knowledge for me. that`s why not knowing is sometimes a blessing. otherwise, we would have to use the less aesthetic word of kulla.

guys, please spare a min to sign this patition. though it looks like a joke but what else to expect?

Click here to sign marathon patition
https://petitiononline.securesites.com/Rozan/petition.html

Re: hamidm:
``.... i don`t understand how that is a circular argument ...... both sides should refrain from quoting the book because the message is garbled and any one can quote it any which way they want ......... it is best to leave that stuff to angels and jinns and other such creatures - it has little use for men (and women) .......``

yet, some reinterpretationists insist Quran as Nuskha-e-Keemya which can be applied to anything and anyone under the sun And in the process these ppl. make a mulla out of themselves.


Sajal:
Dont be selective in owning Rasool-e-Pak`s words - he was apparently a kinda moody person. TEshah`s post is right on the money.

Orphan christain girls attacked in their hostel. Administrator`s stripped naked.

1. Ghazala Shafique, the administrator of the hostel reported that under police supervision, at the behest of one self-appointed Bishop Sadiq Daniel, George Bhattei, Zafar Iqbal, and ..(name not clear) 30/40 persons lay seige to the hostel.

2. They barged in and assaulted her and other girls.

3. later on she was stripped naked and paraded around.

She reported at a press conference in the presence of her husband Qadri shafiq kaNwal, Bishop Eijaz Naik and HR organisations.

4. When she called 15 ( emergency police #) the police & SHO of women police ( another Ghazala) provided protection to the assailants and continued their assaults even upon those who responded to help.

Police refused to register an FIR.

The victims have appealed the Federal, Provincial governments and Federal Justice department for intervention and propper action against Bishop George--who moves in very influential circles.

...Bishop George--who moves in very influential circles.....
Hmmmm!

So it is simply a matter of who owns the buffalo.

Hmmmmmmmmmm!

(and how much time we spent on intellectualising and maligning you-know-who)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

The news that never happened: At least not for the English-medium papers. Jang reported it hidden inside.

Not the way such news get reported when `moderation` and `enlightenment` ( nudge nudge wink wink) seeks fatwaas to be declared Halaal.

Summary in english will follow this post.

Re: # 188

malikj,

........ in pushto ``kunna`` is slang for private parts and therfore zanan-kunna is not a polite word ..........kunna also mean catamite ....... catamites are usually madrassa students ..........

Re: # 191

urstruly,

..........as amrita said you are a very sick person if you think of women as mere sex objects and ``that`s ALL that they are to you.``......... think about it - are there any women you know who are not sex objects for you ? .......... it is a loaded question, so be careful .....

Re: # 186

nt sahib,

........ i don`t understand how that is a circular argument ...... both sides should refrain from quoting the book because the message is garbled and any one can quote it any which way they want ......... it is best to leave that stuff to angels and jinns and other such creatures - it has little use for men (and women) .......