A Journey Through Our Conscience

Thankyou everybody.
This is my first article and your kind and encouraging words mean a lot.
sajal javid

Also my question rape for power or sex?
can somebody shed some light on that .

nts:

just a quick response

...Some self-proclaimed enlightened seculars here profess to know all about Islam...Once engaged in debates, it turns out they don`t even know the basics of Islam.

i am just amazed that you are one of them when you loudly proclaim:

....Since no human being except the Prophets of Allah (peace be upon them) can be infallible,...

my prophet muhammad (saw) was a human being...not an infallible angel...maybe we read different qur`ans...maybe we believe in different Allahs...naoozobillah!

no rgds

sajal:

a rape is a rape is a rape is a rape

it is a traumatic experience whether for power or sex

lve

t

ps: my previous post was in response to #15

Sajal,

I woud have to agree with temporal.

However, it depends how your defining `sex`. Ordinary sexual pleasure that is a natural desire? then I should think that men will look for sex the way normal men would. Sex because of sadistic pleasure? maybe. Rape is the `punishment` for a woman`s `wrong doings` due to which, power does come into play. The assertion of power is predominant in rape. The answere to this question is complex.

ntsyed saheb

According to the Daily Times, Islam has now employed dacoits to spread its message -

According to Jang, (February 10, 2005) three dacoits were killed in a police encounter near Gujranwala. The dacoits killed three police officials too before they were shot. The police said the high official casualty was because of the way in which the dacoits faced the police. They said that the three seemed to be trained guerrillas who had come out of jihad and turned to robbery.

The truth is that, apart from being adept in commando training, the robbers these days wear beards and observe the tenets of Islam. They have been reported as telling their victims that they should say namaz and read the Quran and give money in charity. As they rob the inmates of a house they appreciate their observance of namaz and advise their women to observe the Islamic veil.

Sajal,

You should be wary of people like temporal because of the lying he does.

Temporal knows that in Pakistan, a rape until seen by 4 males is not a crime.
Temporal also knows that honor killing is not a crime in Pakistan.

However, he doesnt come out and say these things, instead he hides behind
generic disclaimers.

It is not that Pakistan doesnt have a law - Pakistan does have law but it is based
on 7th century arabia.

What a discussion,

There are various ways to distract from the reality of pakistan, the one from temporal takes the cake. What is rape, is it sex or power. The pathetic educatyed of pakistan have to learn is that what is important is to change the social values that has sustained hoodood. One among thos factors is the diverion to minuetae, what is rape, the legal and definition per the book.
Make the first step, tell the world that honour killing is supported by hoodood laws of pakistan. Tell the world that hoodood reflects the values of pak society and that is why even the mighty mushy did not dare to change it. Hoodood exists because romairs and temporals come up with excuses, honour killing is a tribal custom, so be it, but it is legalised and decriminalised by hoodood.

It is the lies and attempts to put a spin on reality that is supporting the decline of pakistan. Tell the world marathon is banned in pakistan, the latest. tell the world that jihadis are in power.

#23 by satyamvada on April 7, 2005 5:10pm PT


Temporal knows that in Pakistan, a rape until seen by 4 males is not a crime.
Temporal also knows that honor killing is not a crime in Pakistan.


How dare you post facts that make pakiland look bad...you pakistan/muslim hating indian RSS bigot you...

aha_snark,

what nonsense ar u writing, yes in new delhi, india, some can get away with rape bec of
power, but to say the laws are like those in pak is really tickling my funny bone, read
indian laws bef making comments

heheh

when three abdul-hates repeat lies ( #23, 24,25) in a seemingly co-ordinated hat-trick there must be an Allah!

you guys do not read .. you just write...balderdash

you hateful pitiable mockery of human beings!

Temporal,

you may mock, you may abuse, but surely you cannot run from the truth, my friend.
You did not even answer Sajal`s question, but you give vague generalizations.

It is not as if the author of this article is ignorant.
You may run from telling the truth, but you cannot hide from our conscience.

A rape is a rape is a rape is NOT JUST A RAPE.
Yes, a Rape is a brutal vicious act but it can be motivated by various factors.
In America, rape is understood as a tool of exerting dominance over another whether it be heterosexual or homosexual rape.
The question posed by Sajal, whether the motivation for rape in Pakistani society is sexual gratification or exertion of power is a poignant one!

n my opinion, most rapes in Pakistani society and I dont mean gang rapes such as those of Mukhtar Mai are not motivated by a need to dominate women, rather Rape is a means of sexual gratification in our sex starved society. Men simply dont have access to women, as most women in Pakistan are closely chaperoned and rarely left alone.

Women already enjoy a subjugated status in Pakistan, why would there be a need to further humiliate them through rape. I believe these rapists when presented with the opportunity of sexual gratification view the available woman as a sexual toy and nothing more. So many rapes take place in Pakistan between relatives, whether it be father in law and daughter in law, sister in law and brother in law, between neighbors, uncles and nieces, cousins etc.

Men in Pakistan dont rape because they want to dominate women. Hello, They are already dominated. Rather they rape simply because They Can and they get away with it.
In the absence of rape counseling and public support, its a miracle how these victims of rape survive considering the fact that most of them dont report their rapes, and in many cases have to live in close quarters with their aggressors.

Pakistani Muslims like ntsyed, echoboom and all the Abdul Self Delusions harp on and on about the beauty of Islam and the rights afforded to women, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Our religion cant even promise justice to its mothers and daughters. Islam does not exist in a vacuum. It lives in the lives of the Muslims, and we Muslims of Pakistan have failed Islam and sadly enough, Islam has failed to guide us and God`s perfect religion has been perverted and disfigured beyond recognition.
The funny thing is that the MMA has grabbed a hold of this perverted, disfigured and soul less rotten corpse of Islam and run with it with all its might. Truly Tragic.

SS:

well said! and agree mostly…

however

as catfischblues said…and as i suspect sajal and everyone else knows this is not a simple issue with a yes no answer…this is far more complex…

…you say …in my opinion, most rapes in Pakistani society… are not motivated by a need to dominate women, rather Rape is a means of sexual gratification in our sex starved society…..

sir, the numbers are fuzzy and only the most blatant ones get reported…but if you are exposed to the feudal inland…possession and subsequent rapes of the hari/peasants daughters/women is a routine and traditional game for them…

in the dark ages of jahiliya woman was a chattel…in the neon lights of 2005…in Pakistan most women are still chattels…

now brace yourselves by cut-n-paste spamming by brother abdul-hate to deflect this thread…

rgds

t

re: ShoreSahib # 29

Anything that claims to be perfect will always fail to guide mankind.

And yes, a rape is not always just a rape, just as a murder is not always just a murder.

The ability to make distinctions between seemingly similar situations is the first step to gaining any understanding. We call it `vivek` - the ability to do ``vivechana`` (analysis).

ntsyed sahib,

yahan kahan baghlain jhaank rahe hein? kam az kam iss thread per aap ki nahin ban`ne wali.

temporal:

i think jay and likes are correct in saying that people like you should vigorously spread the word of injustice at home. being numb to problems at hand don`t suit poeple like you. the only hopes we have for our nation are with you. there`s no point in hiding or defending a weak character. why not stop taking pride in the imaginary image of our country of birth and start trying to improve it`s character in real sense.

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