Mr. Ahmed

Re: #79 by echoboom

[Where do I sign? and when do I take title of land of Kashmir & repatriate my brethren.?]

Down, boy, down. Never within your lifetime. Or your great-great-grandchildren’s.

Because, as always in history, Muslims would not honour the treaties they signed to never come in (eg. The treaty signed with Lord Mountbatten – the original Kashmir agreement that Jinnah signed), and they would start a neucleus of a settlement somewhere and start their usual inexorable expansion-oriented activities.


[But what will you do if more and more hindus convert, even after this, do I get more land
for a fresh crop of muslims ?]

With no Mullahs around, there would be no question of conversion.

Nobody would conceivably want to convert if they actually knew the facts that are ALWAYS obscured from potential converts.

Usually the people that convert are either famous people with some mental deficiency like Muhammad Ali (Alzheimer’s), or with brilliant minds like Mike Tyson. I hear that Islam is the fastest spreading religion amongst the black prison populations in America.

Anyone with an axe to grind against society is exploited to the hilt. In India and everywhere else. VERY few well-educated people convert.

Re: #81 by tahmed32

[Ajeya: bhai sahib, musalmaanoN ko gaaliaN deynay ki zaroorat (or should I say jaroorat) nahiN hai.]

How about these galis:

Post #28 by echoboom (it was later filtered out) : a reference to the “hanuman” deity worshipped in many parts of India.

Post#32 by Ali_1: About “Bundho-padhay” with reference to an earlier dirty echoboom post comparing the name with passing gas.

Post#74 by echoboom: [But honestly a clipping of ` that` a few millimeter does eliminate the fear of the sight of `first blood` .

[can you laugh loudly now, without leaking...]]


My post #78 was made after MUCH provocation. The recipients deserved as much, and more.

Dear Friends,

Let us not indulge in hate mongering.

First of all all the Muslim interactors should read Upanishads and try to understand them.

All non muslim, interactors should read Koran.

I have read Koran and my findings are Muslims are the peace loving people who do not indulge in activities prescribed by Koran.

Koran tells true believers to kill non belivers. Kill their children. Kill their wives. Kill ther families. Loot their houses. Take over their properties. And God understands. God is kind. Koran tells them not to trust non muslims. It tells them it is OK to treat non muslims as sub human.

Now behind this backdrop, Muslims dont indulge in even 20% of the activities. In a way that is good for all of us.

Thanks

Arstoo

PS: By the way I was thinking of ARASTOO as my username at chowk, but with typo error it became arstoo, It is one and same thing

Re: #117 by stuka

[Echoboom:

What would you say about 116? Seems like ethnicity beats religious affiliation any day...]

I hate to interrupt this love-fest (or is this one-sided infatuation?), but I want you (Stuka) to ask echoboom these two questions:

1) Does he believe in the concept of Dhimmis (if he doesn’t, he’s a blasphemer, and deserves to be killed, right?)

2) What does he think about the imposition of the Jizya tax on Dhimmis in that heaven-on-earth, also known as Dar-Us-Salam (or some such thing). Again, if he doesn’t believe in it, he’s a blasphemer, and deserves to be killed, according to his holy book - correct?

What position would you (Stuka) have in his idyllic Dar-Us-Salam. Would you need a circumcision? Or just paying the tax as a Dhimmi would suffice?

You guys need to weed out any potential problems in your relationship before it matures.

#122

Sir,

I fail to see the equivalence between being arrogant to ridiculing a nation/religion. Indians of my generation are fairly confident about the nation and this leads to arrogance/chest thumping at times. At no point does it imply that we belittle someone else. The concept of judging people on the basis of their religion is lost on us. I saw no such bias while studying in a residential college with people from all over the country, except in an insignificant minority.

Most of us grew up in a fairly plural society, and our mistrust of nations are largely based on state policies and not on religion.

regards,

echoboom:
``In what way is it my thinking dost?``

...because it provides intellectual support for your notion that religious identities are the most important identities.

echoboom:
``In what way is it my thinking dost?``

...because it provides intellectual support for your notion that religious identities are the most important identities.

.........``You may be happy to learn that some intellectuals support your thinking too.``.......

[dost-mittar:107]

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In what way is it my thinking dost?

I`ve read the entire stuff and I really regret doing so. Just look at the first two paragraphs:

[Dr. Kakar, a psychiatrist in New Delhi, notes that his study is not grounded in psychoanalytic theory. His book is a trained clinician`s cold-eyed analysis of a complex, emotionally charged, social problem. As his case study, Kakar took the Hindu-Muslim violence of 1990 in the south Indian city of Hyderabad, where 300 people were killed.

Based on his field research and the psychological measurements, Kakar argues that beginning in childhood the social identity of every Indian is grounded in his or her religious community, which in times of intercommunity conflict, readily erupts into violent communalism. ]
...................................................................................................................................

Moreover Psychology and Psyshiatry is nothing but Licensed Dubbaa Peeri and Drug-pushing. After the glory days when economists ruled the roost [ to counter russia],
the sunshine days of soc.pol.sci kind of socialism thru NGOism emerged & the secular-missionaries fanned out to bring home the bacon to the western swines.

Now the choicest route is to get a few Shankars on ones side and start casting aspersions on the other`s childhood traumas to figure-out the reason why someone does not responds to advertisements & gallup-polls in a normal manner [``when there was peace, he was for peace: when there was war, he went``...W.H Auden; the unknown citizen]

This ``science`` to explain margins-of-error from standard deviations in the bell curves and bottom lines so as to milk a human to the last drop of his/her sweat-sperm-milk
is what is truly diabolical & Satanic in the westrn world.

``Yeh ilm-O-hikmat kee mohraa-baazi, yeh beh-O-takraar kee nuumaaesh
naheeN hai duunyaa ko ubb gavaara, puuraanay afkaar kee nuumaaesh
tiri kitaaboaN meiN aye hakeem-i muaash aakhir rakhha hee kyaa hai
khutoot-e khUmdaar kee nuumaaesh, mreez-e kUjdaar kee nuumaaesh
Jahaan-e maghrib kay buutkadoaN meiN, kaleesyaaoN, meiN mdrassoaN meiN
Havas kee khooNraizyaan chuupaatee hai, Aqual-i ayyaar kee nuumaaesh``
.........................................................................................ALLAMA Iqbal.......................

tr:
This board-game of information-&-intellect, This facade of debate & discussion!
No! the world can no longer continue with the obsolete theories and practice.
Oh economist! pray tell me what is so precious in your books, except
Some fancy curves & lines and some tilted-bowl kind of of graphs,

In the temples, churches, and the schools of the western world
its blood-thirty greed and lust hidden behind the devious intellectual exhibits.

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Such posthumous ``cold-case-file`` forensic-psychiatary is fast becoming unfashionable now because with increased internet-exchange & immigration the western knowledge-pegs are being moved & shaken. People openly make fun of and ridicule these Universitised Dubba peers. The arrival of Sanyaasi babaas, Peers , Faqueers (who by-the-way are not licensed to drive you crazy & do not have their tarriffs guaranteed), would soon put these english-proud nutcase ``consellors`` and `` practioners`` where they really belong--you got it!

DivisionBell: Other people from india DONT have this need to ridicule other people`s nationality or religion. This is the specialty of indians on chowk - there is no pakistani equivalent of a jay or an arjun and the countless other indians i have seen come to chowk with a chip on their shoulder. there are very few pakistanis i have seen come to chowk with the same attitude. and the few who do (like urstruly or ali) dont get other pakistanis jumping to defend them like i see indians doing. there is a cultural difference here.

#120

You are quite right, I indulged in it too when I first came to the US. I think it is borne out of our need to project civilizational strength after the battering it took under the white man.

This sort of attitude is not all bad though, the Chinese have a similar mentality, atleast it propels us to new levels of achievement.

That being said, it can sound downright arrogant to people from other nations in the sub-continent, as their need to assert their national identities is as strong if not stronger.

Ajeya,

I duely apologise for that remark, case of not practicing what I preached.

regards,

indians have this arrogance about everything was indian around the indian sub-continent which makes others nervous. the first time i went to srilanka, i displayed this and was firmly told to fck off by srilankans. i learn my lesson now..although its true that everything is indian, dont say it IN YOUR FACE.

Re: # 114

No contradiction! Life is not all black or white but shades of grey. I did not say on the other board that there are no happy hindus in Bangladesh and I did not say on this board that they are not leaving that country because of the hardships they are facing there. Moreover, if you notice, on the other board I was talking about Bangladeshi Hindus and on this board I am talking about Indian hindu businessmen.

117 by stuka on April 22, 2005 12:58pm PT
116:

The first sensible post from Cayenne. Congrats!!!

........I`ve been dreaming `bout being driven around lahore in a `Qing Qi`, driven by a jolly, rotund punjabi with ear hairs flapping in the wind, eating chicken and gulping some forbidden nectar, if i can get away with it.Guess who was my inspiration for the Qing Qi driver??

116:

The first sensible post from Cayenne. Congrats!!!

Echoboom:

What would you say about 116? Seems like ethnicity beats religious affiliation any day...

I must be quite thick in the head. `cause i`m surprised how this article has attracted so much blather.Even after a generous and copious consumption of amrit , i am still shaking my head after reading.What is going on with muslims??.Their so-called `brotherhood` principle is also shattering to smithereens.Bad enough that malaysia(a muslim country) rounded up illegal indonesians(another muslim country) in the middle of the night and deported them out of malaysia without even giving tham a chance to get a clean pair of underwear, couple of days ago, the Iranians started beating up on their Arab minority and started to throw them outof their regions!!.Al jazeera, cause of reporting this, has now been asked to get outof Iran.In pakistan, the Balochis are demanding independance and the pak govt. can`t even enter NWFP!!!.We indians aren`t doing too badly off eh??.All we got is `Lallu`` calling Modi a `rat` and blaming him for the stone throwing at his car in Samalya.Chuckle.

Nice article, well written.. It`s true that an average muslim is much more religious and irrational when compared to an average hindu or an average christian..

While I can go to any place in my state in India, talk ill about hinduism, ridicule the hindu gods, their scriptures, I`d still be alive, and kicking and infact would even be elected to represent the people 90% of whom are Hindus.

hamidm`s quotes are as usual funny. it is equally funny and sad to hear about the professor who was awarded the death sentence.. Islam has a nice in-built check for branding any one who questions the irrational dogmas as a ``blasphemer`` and silencing his /her voice through killing.. But with internet and other free media, people can read or learn the truths about their religion / their founder / atleast question those irrational beliefs anonymously..without fear of getting killed.. It`s ideal that reforms come from within, but unfortunately due to forced circumstances, reforms are coming through trailer park lyndies.. :-))