Mr. Ahmed

DM #112,

What are you trying to say? Hindus are welcome in Bangladesh and have nothing to fear there? That Bangladeshi society is very tolerant?

You yourself said that Hindus were being persecuted and many had to flee Bangladesh. Sounds like complete contradiction to me.

kaurasach #103 I dislike (despise, in fact) hindu extremists. Just as I despise muslim extremists, or in fact any individual who commits or condones violence against innocent people for whatever reason. But I dont seek out hindu extremist boards to go and tell them that I despise them and their monkey king Modi. The reason is simple: life is too short to be wasted in the company of lowlife.

I see that you have not taken my sincere advice, and instead of not responding if you found it too difficult to give a straight answer, you chose to respond with a bunch of baloney about your coming here only to interact (which says nothing - of course we all come here to interact. What else are you going to do on a discussion board?? Dance the bhangra??)

So let me give you the straight answer you couldnt tell: the reason you (and others like you) badmouth Pakistanis day in day out is because that is a form of entertainment for people who are incapable of discussing anything else, incapable of any real humor, too insecure to laugh at themselves. This is the same reason you seek out the company of those in real life of those lowlife you talked about, people who use the occassion of socializing to bad mouth other people behind their back.

MaheshG:

``On the other hand generalizing based on your experience would be misleading, no?``

My case was not unique. There were other Hindus, especially Indian businessmen who had no problems in Dhaka. The problems hindus are facing in villages is a combination of religious intolerance and greed. There is also a political element to it - Hindus vote en bloc for Awami League, which makes them a natural target of the wrath of the BNP workers in the bitterly polarised polity of Bangladesh.

Re: # 75
Ajeya,

Well you have admitted here you are a coward and your hate is fueled by your cowardice. It is okay if you are afraid but why try to label all other Hindus as ``cowards`` as well? We have enough trouble trying to change our image of being ``soft``. This image came about all cuz Hindus did not have a sense of common community and did not care what happens to other Hindus (comes from an individualistic belief system w/salvation depending on the individual).

I am a Hindu and involved with a Pakistani Muslim girl against her family`s opposition here in the US. When we visit Pakistan in the future it maybe dangerous for us due to my religion and the ``taboo`` relationship. Yes, I probably will be afraid then but so what? Thats not going to stop me from visiting Pakistan. We all die and using a cliche here--``its a matter of when and how``.

Nothing wrong in claiming to be a RSS wallah. RSS people are brave volunteer cadres who do social services (even if they are fundos). They are infinitely better than cowards who do nothing and create trouble cuz of their self-esteem issues. Face up to ur fears instead of remaining a coward.

Actually, since we are all Muslims we should all have no problems worshipping in each other`s way.

I can bow my head to the Kaaba and recite the namaz 5 times a day and some of our Muslims friends can come to a temple and pray to lord Rama.

Actually, since we are all Muslims we should all have no problems worshipping in each other`s way.

I can bow my head to the Kaaba and recite the namaz 5 times a day and some of our Muslims friends can come to a temple and pray to lord Rama.

````HE`` refers to the president. bundho-padhay is saying that the president has no idea what he is dealing with, that ALL ONE BILLION MUSLIMS are as much a chutya``

Ali

Oh, I thought HE refers to the furniture seller. That the guy has no clue about a multi-cultural society or something. But u are right, I missed over the preceding sentence. I agree, it is chutiapa to draw that kind of a conclusion from one person.

More importantly, that furniture seller DID NOT say anything that was antithetical to democracy. Just coz he thought man`s origin was Islam? By that logic the entire christian coalition belt from kansas to Kentucky would have no clue about democracy either coz they believe in creationism...Since when did a person`s religious belief be considered subversion of a democratic system.

I do not know if the author is interacting on this board but I would like to raise this issue strongly.

echoboom:

You may be happy to learn that some intellectuals support your thinking too. I just read this review of a book by a well-known Hindu Indian intellectual/psychiatrist, Sudhir Kakar. You may want to read the review at:
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=422193

Some excerpts:

``Based on his field research and the psychological measurements, Kakar argues that beginning in childhood the social identity of every Indian is grounded in his or her religious community, which in times of intercommunity conflict, readily erupts into violent communalism.``

``Among the most revealing sections of The Colors of Violence are his analyses of the speeches of two typical demagogues, one from each community. Ubedullah Khan Azmi, a member of Parliament, and secretary of the Muslim Personal Law Conference, said: ``...And you [Hindus] raise slogans about Muslim loyalty. Have you ever looked at your own face in the mirror? It was the believers in the Qur`an who taught you the graces of life, taught you how to eat and drink. All you had before us were tomatoes and potatoes. What did you have? We brought jasmine, we brought frangipani. We gave the Taj Mahal, we gave the Red Fort. India was made India by us. We have lived here for eight hundred years and we made India shine.... Our personal law is being proscribed, our community`s very way of life is being restricted. Beware, history may repeat itself. Atal Behari Vajpayee may have to read the kalma [i.e., convert to Islam]....`` [The two things he concedes the Hindus had before the Muslim invasions, namely tomatoes and potatoes, they certainly didn`t have.]

Kakar also analyzes the speech of a typical Hindu demagogue. Sadhavi Rithambra, a young Punjabi Hindu, she is a charismatic speaker for the``Hindutva`` cause. In her speech after the Hyderabad riots, she said: ``I have come to the Hindus of Bhagyanagar [Hyderabad] with a message...We have never said, `O. World! Believe in our Upanishads, Believe in our Gita. Otherwise you are an infidel and by cutting off the head of an infidel one gains paradise.` Our sentiments are not so low. They are not narrow-minded. They are not dirty. We see the world as our family.... In Kashmir, the Hindu was a minority and was hounded out of the valley. Slogans of `long live Pakistan` were carved with red hot iron rods on the thighs of our Hindu daughters. Try to feel the unhappiness and the pain of the Hindu who became a refugee in his own country.... What is this impartiality toward all religions where the mullahs get the moneybags and Hindus the bullets? We also want religious impartiality but not of the kind where only Hindus are oppressed....People say there should be Hindu-Muslim unity. Leave the structure of the Babri mosque undisturbed. I say, `Then let`s have this unity in case of the Jama masjid too. Break half of it and construct a temple. Hindus and Muslims will then come together.` ``

``Dr. Kakar accurately diagnoses the major malady as symptomized in Azmi`s repeated assertion of Muslims` having come from the outside. ``There has been a historical tendency among upper-class Muslims (or those aspiring to higher status in the community) to stress or invent Persian, Arab, or Turkish ancestry rather than rest content with their more humble Indian origins.... The nature of the vicious circle is immediately apparent: the anchoring of Muslim identity in Islam spurs Hindu suspicion of Muslim loyalty to the nation, which makes Muslims draw closer in the religious community for security, which further fuels Hindu distrust of Muslim patriotism, and so on.`` Kakar quotes an earlier study of Hyderabad Muslims by anthropologist S.C.Dubey: ``A Hindu untouchable of yesterday becomes a Muslim today; and tomorrow he will start proclaiming that his forefathers lived in Arabia.``

#45 by Ajeya on April 21, 2005 9:27pm PT

``Many Iranians have told me that they look down upon Pakistanis, and many Arabs have told me the same. ``

I can believe that there are racist Iranians and Arabs who look down upon Pakistanis, but I absolutely refuse to believe that these same Iranians and Arabs would want to piss on the face of, let alone talk to a kala-kaloota, ugly, stinking Injun like yourself.

``Just by trying to sidle up to camel jockeys``
``try to write in a camel-jockey script``

Ajeya, have you called your (imaginary?) Arab friend ``camel jockey`` to his face? Try it man.... I am sure both he and his camel will mount you from the rear togethr and remove the fear of muslims from your heart for ever.

#101,

Hmmm, you make sense. One of your rare moments.

Re: TheDivisionBell

[I reiterate that it`s the likes of you that gived Indians a bad name.]


So that`s not ad-hominem? Huh?

#92,

You are dellusional if you think I seek anything. I simply come here to interact.

Seeking company of Pakis and that too anons. i wouldn`t do that if I was mad.

I didn`t know that in your book, interacting on issues is the same thing as `seeking company`.

There are a few Pakis here that are good - at least from their interactions.

I don`t think you are the owner of Chowk. When the owners tell this site is for Pakis only, I will stop coming on my own.


And lastly, If I don`t come here, ``jehray wigday hoye nay, ohna nu akal kaun deway ga....tuhanu sidds kaun karega..tuseen hor wigad jaawaon gay``.

#85,

I had a wonderful personal experience in Bangladesh.

Hi DM, my post to Tahmed was supposed to be sarcastic. I am not saying that every Hindu who visits Bangladesh would have a bad experience. On the other hand generalizing based on your experience would be misleading, no?

You yourself mentioned how Hindus were being persecuted in Bangladesh and were migrating to India to escape the persecution.

Based on this how can anybody claim that Bangladesh society is a nice one?

#88 by imran on April 22, 2005 10:15am PT
``I am not seeing any difference between an educated afghan Muslim and educated Indian Hindu. ``

Imran, actually Mr. Ahmed (if he exists) is a far better person than the exalted Hindu bundho-padhay (higher than divedi but lower than chutar-vedi). He never said that all Hindus are bigoted a-holes because Mr. bundho-padhay is a bigoted a-hole.... where as bundho-padhay implies that all muslims are idiots since Mr. Ahmed is an idiot.

That is absolute bunkum. I am hindu (at least culturally), and have never encountered your apprehension, this is indeed a first. I suggest you educate yourseld before giving in to such wild notions.

Anonymizer software ? HAhahahahha, just to protect your IP, that too on chowk ? To be honest, I have a tough time believing that you are for real. The attitudes in India are far different from what you think. When I was an undergrad in India, there were no such religious qualms at all, everyone celebrated everything and we all had fun, this was 1999.

I reiterate that it`s the likes of you that gived Indians a bad name.

I hope you realize that there is a big difference between being apprehensive of Pakistanis and Bangladesh and being apprehensive of Muslims in general.

He gave you your own medicine, Guy was nice to you and you had enough common ground to talk about, then why you started with Hindu history and brought religion in the conversation at the first place with a person you hardly know? Besides what sort of “historic” similarities you were trying to find even if Afghanistan was a Hindu state some frekin 1000 years ago?? So deal with the reality check my friend. His heritage/religion is important for him so as yours for you. I am not seeing any difference between an educated afghan Muslim and educated Indian Hindu.

Imran,

What is so offensive about pre-Islamic ancestry that a mere mention of that is considered rude? Poor author should have realized that Muslims from Pakistan and Afghanistan are weird people. They believe that before their ancestors were non-Muslims they were non-existent. They suddenly sprang into life as soon as they were converted.