Mr. Ahmed
Dhruva Bandopadhyay April 21, 2005
#49 Posted by amrita on April 21, 2005 10:21:18 pm
and furthermore, pls leave poor cacophonix out of it... he`s got enuff problems of his own. :)
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#50 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on April 22, 2005 4:54:05 am
This being a very weary stuff. But the sudden responsive attitude of Mr. Ahmed coils the story from furniture shop to a remark of undying history and then twists back to equipment muttering. Apart from this gear there is no curiosity in this story.
Well number ‘81’ and ‘18’ which are adorned on humankind is been told by an old person to me whereby he also told the Five Fingers in Each Hand as an indication to “Punjtun panch…Mohammad(P.B.U.H), Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussein” whose Souls/Noors are believed to be eternal before Universe foundation. Furthermore 14 divisions on each hand be a sign of 14 Imams.
Well it all seems a bewildered faith instigated in a furniture shop. Remindes me of Kirshin Chandar Novel .. ``Thali ka Baingan.``
Well number ‘81’ and ‘18’ which are adorned on humankind is been told by an old person to me whereby he also told the Five Fingers in Each Hand as an indication to “Punjtun panch…Mohammad(P.B.U.H), Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussein” whose Souls/Noors are believed to be eternal before Universe foundation. Furthermore 14 divisions on each hand be a sign of 14 Imams.
Well it all seems a bewildered faith instigated in a furniture shop. Remindes me of Kirshin Chandar Novel .. ``Thali ka Baingan.``
#51 Posted by dost_mittar on April 22, 2005 5:18:04 am
Alephnull#58:
You are absolutely correct. ``Bangopadhyay`` was a typo and thanks for correcting it. I wonder why Bhattacharyas took their name differently; they took their name from the district (Bhatpara) to which they belonged. I am told that they considered themselves superior to everyone else, even Mukherjees.
dullabhatti#47:
The question has occurred to me also but I do not know the answer. Especially, since Diwedis, Trivedis, etc. are brahmins and Guru Nanak was a khatri. Maybe the mass slaughter of brahmins in Panjab resulted in their scarcity to such an extent that some khatris were allowed to learn vedas, and started calling themselves vedis/bedis. (purely speculative hypothesis on my part!).
echoboom:
Here is some more info. for you. Diwedis and Chaturvedis are also called Dubeys and Chaubeys in UP. You might have heard the expression:
Chale thay Chaubey, Chhabbey bananey
Reh gaye Dubey ban ke!
[paraphrase: Chaubey tried to claim superiority over others by saying that he knew six vedas, thereby displaying his ignorance and downgrading himself]
You are absolutely correct. ``Bangopadhyay`` was a typo and thanks for correcting it. I wonder why Bhattacharyas took their name differently; they took their name from the district (Bhatpara) to which they belonged. I am told that they considered themselves superior to everyone else, even Mukherjees.
dullabhatti#47:
The question has occurred to me also but I do not know the answer. Especially, since Diwedis, Trivedis, etc. are brahmins and Guru Nanak was a khatri. Maybe the mass slaughter of brahmins in Panjab resulted in their scarcity to such an extent that some khatris were allowed to learn vedas, and started calling themselves vedis/bedis. (purely speculative hypothesis on my part!).
echoboom:
Here is some more info. for you. Diwedis and Chaturvedis are also called Dubeys and Chaubeys in UP. You might have heard the expression:
Chale thay Chaubey, Chhabbey bananey
Reh gaye Dubey ban ke!
[paraphrase: Chaubey tried to claim superiority over others by saying that he knew six vedas, thereby displaying his ignorance and downgrading himself]
#52 Posted by echoboom on April 22, 2005 5:33:42 am
dost-mittar:51
Well the most famous Chaubays I`m aware of are from Mathra. Their legendary appetite for LaDDoos & assorted sweetmeats is reason for their fame. I heard they could eat endlessly. ( exaggerating a bit here--me!)
Looking forward to learn more from AlphaNull.
Well the most famous Chaubays I`m aware of are from Mathra. Their legendary appetite for LaDDoos & assorted sweetmeats is reason for their fame. I heard they could eat endlessly. ( exaggerating a bit here--me!)
Looking forward to learn more from AlphaNull.
#53 Posted by nb on April 22, 2005 6:33:01 am
What are people so angry about? This is one man, and his behaviour could be seen as ignorance, bigotry or naivety. If one ran into the likes of Urstruly or His Excellency in real life, one would probably have the same impression.
Tahmed is becoming more and more overt, which is unusual, he usually tries to look good.
Tahmed is becoming more and more overt, which is unusual, he usually tries to look good.
#54 Posted by stuka on April 22, 2005 7:14:44 am
`` “He has no idea what he’s dealing with” she said absently. “No idea”, I thought gloomily, “he has absolutely no clue”.
``
Since when did the word HE start referring to ALL ONE BILLION MUSLIMS?? I don`t think this dude is anti Muslim at all. Hindus who are anti Muslim do not think of inviting Muslims to their homes.
Muslims should understand that there is a difference between their religios perceptions and Hindus and also Vice Versa.
When Muslims interact with infidels their instinct is to convert them. Witness Echoboom`s posts about every reformed junkie who finds Islam.
When anti Muslim Hindus interact with Muslims, they will infact seek to minimize contact and not invite him home for dinner. After all you have to break the crockery after a Muslim eats of it.
Therefore, the author is not anti-Muslim. He just misjudged the religious inclination of another human being.
Another fact is that whereas religious people understand the motivations of secular people, the latter cannot even BEGIN to comprehend the inclinations of a religious person.
Let alone a Muslim hating Hindu fanatic, this author would prolly be an NYT reading, latte drinking, going to temple once a year type liberal. The brown equivilant of the Yahoods who live on the upper east side.
``
Since when did the word HE start referring to ALL ONE BILLION MUSLIMS?? I don`t think this dude is anti Muslim at all. Hindus who are anti Muslim do not think of inviting Muslims to their homes.
Muslims should understand that there is a difference between their religios perceptions and Hindus and also Vice Versa.
When Muslims interact with infidels their instinct is to convert them. Witness Echoboom`s posts about every reformed junkie who finds Islam.
When anti Muslim Hindus interact with Muslims, they will infact seek to minimize contact and not invite him home for dinner. After all you have to break the crockery after a Muslim eats of it.
Therefore, the author is not anti-Muslim. He just misjudged the religious inclination of another human being.
Another fact is that whereas religious people understand the motivations of secular people, the latter cannot even BEGIN to comprehend the inclinations of a religious person.
Let alone a Muslim hating Hindu fanatic, this author would prolly be an NYT reading, latte drinking, going to temple once a year type liberal. The brown equivilant of the Yahoods who live on the upper east side.
#55 Posted by stuka on April 22, 2005 7:15:46 am
nb:
Muslims I guess are learning from the Jews. Make enough noise about anti Islamism and all legit talk gets squelched as well.
Muslims I guess are learning from the Jews. Make enough noise about anti Islamism and all legit talk gets squelched as well.
#56 Posted by hamidm2 on April 22, 2005 7:31:04 am
.........mr ahmed is a very wise man ..........
..............a few years ago dr younus shaikh, was sentenced to death for suggesting that the prophet did not become a muslim till the age of 40 (when he received the first message from god) and the prophet’s parents were non-muslims because they died before islam existed............. so now anyone with half a brain would not dare suggest that adam and eve were anything other than practicing muslims regardless of the fact that they were probably swinging from the trees throwing monkey-doo at each other .............
..............a few years ago dr younus shaikh, was sentenced to death for suggesting that the prophet did not become a muslim till the age of 40 (when he received the first message from god) and the prophet’s parents were non-muslims because they died before islam existed............. so now anyone with half a brain would not dare suggest that adam and eve were anything other than practicing muslims regardless of the fact that they were probably swinging from the trees throwing monkey-doo at each other .............
#57 Posted by kaurasach on April 22, 2005 7:33:58 am
((I wouldn`t blame Mr. Ahmad. It depends upon what they teach in Aghan history books. If they do not teach about pre-islamic history they cannot be expected to know any better.
In my experience, every Afghan I have met shows a great deal of affection for Indians; generally more so than they do for Pakistanis. ))
Yes, the afghans show great hospitality. They show it even to the enemy who asks for `punnah`. They feed him clothe him. And as soon as the person crosses the compound boundary, he has a bullet in his back.
Repeat after me, Hospitality is NOT equal to goodness. I`ve dealth with them in business as well. Their ``hospitality`` and graciousness is a tool and means....nothing more. Their hospitality can be compared to the ``hospitality`` of a Suniaara (goldsmith). Are suniaaras gracious??
History books are biased even in India and the US. Most non muslims and citizens of secular states have the nerve and free will to question the history and change their knowledge when confronted with contrary literature. Muslims, mostly, do not want to deal with any opposition to their religious dogma and brain washing.
In my experience, every Afghan I have met shows a great deal of affection for Indians; generally more so than they do for Pakistanis. ))
Yes, the afghans show great hospitality. They show it even to the enemy who asks for `punnah`. They feed him clothe him. And as soon as the person crosses the compound boundary, he has a bullet in his back.
Repeat after me, Hospitality is NOT equal to goodness. I`ve dealth with them in business as well. Their ``hospitality`` and graciousness is a tool and means....nothing more. Their hospitality can be compared to the ``hospitality`` of a Suniaara (goldsmith). Are suniaaras gracious??
History books are biased even in India and the US. Most non muslims and citizens of secular states have the nerve and free will to question the history and change their knowledge when confronted with contrary literature. Muslims, mostly, do not want to deal with any opposition to their religious dogma and brain washing.
#58 Posted by jang on April 22, 2005 7:56:30 am
actually ramayana has a lot more science..monkey to man evolution, rocket propulsion, civil-engineering feats. next time i try to sell my bandhopadhay full sofa in a yard sale, i will convince mrs. brewer, or better yet the new young ukrainian bride of the elederly gentleman why we ought to be together since its in ramayana.
#59 Posted by hamidm2 on April 22, 2005 7:57:25 am
.......... the incorrigible (and unwashed) afghan ...........
......... before anyone says anything, let me point out that half my relatives are afghans who moved from miserable places like kandahar and jalalabad less than a hundred years ago ............ having said that, the afghans are a blight on the face of the earth - just look at what they have done to my hometown, rawalpindi - no wonder vereesh could not find a chemist there ............ all the chemists have become drug dealers ........... parts of pindi and islamabad look more like kabul with dari speaking dentists and syphilitic pushto speaking prostitutes on every corner ............ my siblings have regressed and will eat nothing but afghani naan and are busy clogging their arteries with chappal kababs deep fried in sheep-lard ........... all the steel manhole covers have been stolen and people are afraid to hang out their laundry on the line .............. not to mention that the sheep are running scared and global warming is on the rise ............
............ accrding to an uncle, who is a magistrate in peshawar and a full-blooded noble savage himself, the temperature in peshawar has gone up at least 10 degrees since the afghans moved in ...........``you know they burn tyres and anything else they can find and there are no trees left in landikotal ``...........as if landikotal was a lush green tropical forest when alexander passed through the khyber pass !
.......... anyway, here is what khushal khan khattak, the only pathan who could read or write said about his countrymen a hundred years ago ............
Of the Pathans that are famed in the land of Roh,
Now-a-days are the Mohmands, the Bangash, and the Warrakzais, and the Afridis.
The dogs of the Mohmands are better than the Bangash,
Though the Mohmands themselves are a thousand times worse than the dogs.
The Warrakzais are the scavengers of the Afridis,
Though the Afridis, one and all, are but scavengers themselves.
This is the truth of the best of the dwellers in the land of Pathans,
......... before anyone says anything, let me point out that half my relatives are afghans who moved from miserable places like kandahar and jalalabad less than a hundred years ago ............ having said that, the afghans are a blight on the face of the earth - just look at what they have done to my hometown, rawalpindi - no wonder vereesh could not find a chemist there ............ all the chemists have become drug dealers ........... parts of pindi and islamabad look more like kabul with dari speaking dentists and syphilitic pushto speaking prostitutes on every corner ............ my siblings have regressed and will eat nothing but afghani naan and are busy clogging their arteries with chappal kababs deep fried in sheep-lard ........... all the steel manhole covers have been stolen and people are afraid to hang out their laundry on the line .............. not to mention that the sheep are running scared and global warming is on the rise ............
............ accrding to an uncle, who is a magistrate in peshawar and a full-blooded noble savage himself, the temperature in peshawar has gone up at least 10 degrees since the afghans moved in ...........``you know they burn tyres and anything else they can find and there are no trees left in landikotal ``...........as if landikotal was a lush green tropical forest when alexander passed through the khyber pass !
.......... anyway, here is what khushal khan khattak, the only pathan who could read or write said about his countrymen a hundred years ago ............
Of the Pathans that are famed in the land of Roh,
Now-a-days are the Mohmands, the Bangash, and the Warrakzais, and the Afridis.
The dogs of the Mohmands are better than the Bangash,
Though the Mohmands themselves are a thousand times worse than the dogs.
The Warrakzais are the scavengers of the Afridis,
Though the Afridis, one and all, are but scavengers themselves.
This is the truth of the best of the dwellers in the land of Pathans,
#60 Posted by concerned1 on April 22, 2005 8:00:55 am
[...Especially, since Diwedis, Trivedis, etc. are brahmins and Guru Nanak was a khatri...]
Dwivedi, not Diwedi...Dwi meaning two, Tri meaning three, Chatur meaning four...
Dwivedi, not Diwedi...Dwi meaning two, Tri meaning three, Chatur meaning four...
#61 Posted by ajeya on April 22, 2005 8:08:02 am
Re #54 by Stuka
[`` “He has no idea what he’s dealing with” she said absently. “No idea”, I thought gloomily, “he has absolutely no clue”. ``]
Did it ever occur to you that “He” refers to the President of the United States in the context of the story?
[When Muslims interact with infidels their instinct is to convert them. Witness Echoboom`s posts about every reformed junkie who finds Islam.]
What Muslims probably don’t know is that Hindus are mostly terrified of them. Like you’d be terrified of spreading cancer. They know that once in the majority, the Mullahs always take over and then muslims treat non-Hindus in the prescribed manner. The decent muslims keep silent, probably out of fear. Maybe it’s not so bad in Pakistan, but then there are international considerations there as well as India next door.
On the other hand, Hindus aren’t a threat to Muslims because they are not looking to recruit more people to their fold to prove any point (btw, if numerical superiority proved anything, then Galileo would have been dead wrong). Muslims are always safe as long as they don’t start burning dozens of Hindus alive. When they do, antisocial elements in Hindu society get the upper hand, and sometimes even seemingly reasonable people turn bestial.
So for Muslims to feel safe, they just have to refrain from burning Hindus alive.
The first person killed after the Ayodhya temple incident was NOT A MUSLIM, but a Hindu, in the hands of a Muslim mob, in India. Remember there have been many Ayodhya-temple-like Hindu temple destructions in Pakistan and Bangladesh before, but no Muslim got killed.
Ask yourself, what would have happened to the miniscule number of hindus remaining in Pakistan, if HINDUS HAD BURNT A TRAINFUL OF MUSLIMS ALIVE IN PAKISTAN.
What would have happened to a temple in Pakistan, if it was historically rumored to have been build after destroying a mosque linked to Prophet Mohammed’s birth. You think it would have lasted 10 seconds? Crazed fanatics like echoboom and Ali_1 would burn it down in half a second. The Indian Government would probably give travel vouchers to pious muslims to help out.
But of course you won’t ask yourself any of this (and a host of other, much more fundamental things).
Because asking is forbidden.
[`` “He has no idea what he’s dealing with” she said absently. “No idea”, I thought gloomily, “he has absolutely no clue”. ``]
Did it ever occur to you that “He” refers to the President of the United States in the context of the story?
[When Muslims interact with infidels their instinct is to convert them. Witness Echoboom`s posts about every reformed junkie who finds Islam.]
What Muslims probably don’t know is that Hindus are mostly terrified of them. Like you’d be terrified of spreading cancer. They know that once in the majority, the Mullahs always take over and then muslims treat non-Hindus in the prescribed manner. The decent muslims keep silent, probably out of fear. Maybe it’s not so bad in Pakistan, but then there are international considerations there as well as India next door.
On the other hand, Hindus aren’t a threat to Muslims because they are not looking to recruit more people to their fold to prove any point (btw, if numerical superiority proved anything, then Galileo would have been dead wrong). Muslims are always safe as long as they don’t start burning dozens of Hindus alive. When they do, antisocial elements in Hindu society get the upper hand, and sometimes even seemingly reasonable people turn bestial.
So for Muslims to feel safe, they just have to refrain from burning Hindus alive.
The first person killed after the Ayodhya temple incident was NOT A MUSLIM, but a Hindu, in the hands of a Muslim mob, in India. Remember there have been many Ayodhya-temple-like Hindu temple destructions in Pakistan and Bangladesh before, but no Muslim got killed.
Ask yourself, what would have happened to the miniscule number of hindus remaining in Pakistan, if HINDUS HAD BURNT A TRAINFUL OF MUSLIMS ALIVE IN PAKISTAN.
What would have happened to a temple in Pakistan, if it was historically rumored to have been build after destroying a mosque linked to Prophet Mohammed’s birth. You think it would have lasted 10 seconds? Crazed fanatics like echoboom and Ali_1 would burn it down in half a second. The Indian Government would probably give travel vouchers to pious muslims to help out.
But of course you won’t ask yourself any of this (and a host of other, much more fundamental things).
Because asking is forbidden.
#62 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on April 22, 2005 8:13:28 am
#59..this is hilarious indeed...
...parts of pindi and islamabad look more like kabul with dari speaking dentists and syphilitic pushto speaking prostitutes on every corner ............ my siblings have regressed and will eat nothing but afghani naan and are busy clogging their arteries with chappal kababs deep fried in sheep-lard ........... all the steel manhole covers have been stolen and people are afraid to hang out their laundry on the line .............. not to mention that the sheep are running scared and global warming is on the rise ............
............ accrding to an uncle, who is a magistrate in peshawar and a full-blooded noble savage himself, the temperature in peshawar has gone up at least 10 degrees since the afghans moved in ...........``you know they burn tyres and anything else they can find and there are no trees left in landikotal ``...........as if landikotal was a lush green tropical forest when alexander passed through the khyber pass !
...
[more than honest]....
the afghanis don`t even go and pee on ziaulhaque qabr who was their bypass to let them in with a big sympathetic heart.
...parts of pindi and islamabad look more like kabul with dari speaking dentists and syphilitic pushto speaking prostitutes on every corner ............ my siblings have regressed and will eat nothing but afghani naan and are busy clogging their arteries with chappal kababs deep fried in sheep-lard ........... all the steel manhole covers have been stolen and people are afraid to hang out their laundry on the line .............. not to mention that the sheep are running scared and global warming is on the rise ............
............ accrding to an uncle, who is a magistrate in peshawar and a full-blooded noble savage himself, the temperature in peshawar has gone up at least 10 degrees since the afghans moved in ...........``you know they burn tyres and anything else they can find and there are no trees left in landikotal ``...........as if landikotal was a lush green tropical forest when alexander passed through the khyber pass !
...
[more than honest]....
the afghanis don`t even go and pee on ziaulhaque qabr who was their bypass to let them in with a big sympathetic heart.
#63 Posted by HP on April 22, 2005 8:15:36 am
I am not sure why some people are upset / annoyed about this story. This actually is a non story. Religions and rituals are crazy to start with any way. We have seen in the recent past an Indian Prime Minister preaching Urine Drinking in the name of religion. And now the Second largest Party in India and former ruling party RSS/BJP are actually selling aftershave, cologne etc from their party platform in the name of religion. People are actually buying and wearing those aftershave made of urine. Talk about body odor.
Now who makes you roll your eyes more: an Indian Prime Minister or a furniture Salesman?
I am not familiar with all Hindu rituals and stories but I see this on TV that Hindu religious figures used to fly without wings. We already know that one prominent Muslim traveled to the skies to meet God without any spaceship.
I don’t understand why people beg for their life in front of stones or bang their head several times on concrete floors everyday. I believe most of the religious people are brain damaged after spending so much time banging their heads on concrete floors.
We also know that Christ will born again. Why did he die in the first place if he wanted to come back so desperately? It almost sounds like some Indian movie title like “Issa Ki Wapsi” or Tarzan ki Wapsi”
#64 Posted by stuka on April 22, 2005 8:25:04 am
Ajeya:
``What Muslims probably don’t know is that Hindus are mostly terrified of them``
I don`t know about ``most`` Hindus but I know you are terrified of them. Which is why you hate them. You are running scared.
I am a Hindu and I am not scared of Muslims. To me they are equals, no more and no less. That is why I don`t hate them.
``What Muslims probably don’t know is that Hindus are mostly terrified of them``
I don`t know about ``most`` Hindus but I know you are terrified of them. Which is why you hate them. You are running scared.
I am a Hindu and I am not scared of Muslims. To me they are equals, no more and no less. That is why I don`t hate them.
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