The Dour Ascetic

And Morarji Desai who ? Narendra Modi for prime minister !!

By the way ...Modi believes in the therapeutic value of muslim blood ....

Haha...been away for a week and what do I see ? Same old middle aged gents (one of them with a Hacked Penis ) behaving as usual like filthy mouthed street urchins.....

#50 by HP on April 12, 2005 11:32pm PT
I am just afraid that some of those Hindutva diehards would bring that stuff here in the US and stink up subways, Buses, trains and airplanes.


......Who are you trying to impress?.The subways in the US are as stinky if not stinkier than anything in my country.And it is only the major metros in the US that have subways.One can see bums with sores on their backs, urine in every wall corner and garbage all over the platforms in the US.Kolkata`s subway system is cleaner than newyork`s and delhi`s metro has more modern trains than newyork`s crappy 30 year old tin cans.OH, i forgot, you`re from pakistan.Any place is better than where you come from.Sorry, i won`t say anything more.

#44 by FarzanaVersey

“What were you drinking when you read this??”

My usual Golden stuff from Scotland!

Surprisingly, either you missed my question or your intentions were noble to start with or may be I was in “Deep Thoughts”.
Often I glance thru the Indian papers on the net. Mr. Desai was not really mentioned prominently in any publication. Here on Chowk, Ms. Versey decided to remember some occasion of his life (Birthday/Death who cares). Am I not right in thinking that may be posting of the lost interview has something to do with the new BJP/RSS business venture?
You see, sometimes it is not the content but the drive behind the content that is important.

I really have never looked at the chemical properties of Cow or human urine to really know what the differences are, but I do know that Mr. Desai loved one of the two and now our buddies at the RSS/BJP are just following the lead to raise elections funds for the next round to ensure Hindutva supremacy by using the most precious item one can release without disturbing the ecological balance.

I heard that sales are brisk and pretty much all RSS/BJP followers and the promoters of Hindutva are queuing up to buy the items to put that on their faces. You see the vote count would be so easy now. All you have to do is smell the RSS/BJP follower from the distance to know that the guy is wearing the right aftershave and is doused in the right cologne extracted from the sacred potion made popular by the old forgotten Morar Ji Desai!

I am just afraid that some of those Hindutva diehards would bring that stuff here in the US and stink up subways, Buses, trains and airplanes.
I mean their sense of humor is really macabre!

Moraji also imposed prohibition as a Chief Minister of the then Bombay state. My dad was posted in Bombay in those days. As his story goes their Commanding Officer got the officers together in the Mess in the evening and informed them that prohibition was going to be imposed the next day and any stock left would have to be discarded. Then he made the statement ``Gentlemen the booze must finish tonight``. It was good to learn that the young officers were equal to the task.

corrections #47

``BJP didn`t gave lip service`` to `` BJP just gave BJP lip service``

``You don`t mention about leaving caste-based politics, reservation in private sector behind.`` to ``You don`t mention about leaving reservation in private sector behind.

Re: # 22

``Anyway the only people who complain about reservations are people like you, who do not have the brains to compete and succeed on your own, so you want to blame others. It is like the white trash in the US that keeps attacking affirmative action for their problems. ``

You are wrong. People complain because undeserving/unqualified students get admissions/jobs. In south the situation is very bad, upto 60% reservation. Also, I wonder whether affirmative action means 40-60 % reservation.

``If the BJP had focused 100% on economy instead of temples and mosques, it would still be in power today.``

As far as I remember, BJP didn`t gave lip service to Temple issue in last years elections. You may accuse them of exaggerating the feel good factor but not about non-development. Congress motto was ``aam aadmi`` and you should know what it means. Its back to ``garibi hatao``. Also, hte left parties ended up winning the most number of seats. Do you think they better suited to bring in the economic miracle?

``What you really want are low profile, smart leaders who unleash the economy, leave religious stuff alone for the next 50 years and let the ordinary people of India chart the destiny of the country. ``

You don`t mention about leaving caste-based politics, reservation in private sector behind. Is it deliberate?

Ferzana, as a mumbaichi, do you know what morarji is famous for? For Hutatma Chowk (Flora Fountain). He is famous for ordering firing on agitators asking for maharashtra state. this got flora fountain renamed as hutatma chowk.

i was expecting a scathing article criticising a religious icon and chief of a successful franchise who recently passed away.

Thanks for keeping the discussion alive and the comments…

I am aware that Morarji Desai may not be the most fascinating individual around, and I appreciate the attempts to pep up this board, but can we go slow on the personal attacks please? After reading some of the posts, it seems that drinking urine is infinitely more desirable than fighting over the merits of coffee and tea to spew parochial venom.

Re. urine therapy, whatever be one’s feelings towards its use, those interested may like to run a search engine and find a there are several theories that do talk about its efficacy. It is true that Desai went to town about it and it does not quite behove a person of his stature to do so. But personal foibles have always humanised people in power. So, what gave way here? It is just that he wasn’t skilled in marketing his ideas well.

Incidentally, the store that has opened in the BJP headquarters selling shampoo, soap, and other unguents, is made from cow urine, not human piss.

And Desai did not use his religion to justify this practice. Gandhi would have.
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HP:

What were you drinking when you read this?? The first sentence itself mentions his death anniversary; I did not “single out this guy out of the blue celebrate his birthday”. Unless, we are seeing things metaphysically, as in death is in fact birth!

I had interviewed him, he is a part of contemporary history, and I thought it would give a glimpse into one that.
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dost-mittarji:

[You have a way of confounding those who like to put you in pre-labelled boxes.]

My intentions are honourable. Honest! I agree with most of what you said.

Re. your post #37, I am surprised…

[I have to say one thing in favour of the chaddi-wallahs. Their motives may be suspect, but it is only they who have been trying to unite Hindus of all castes.]

In what manner?
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BeeJay:

Perceptive post (#3):

You are not quite right in thinking of him as being seen as a regional politician, because in 1964 and 1966, he was in the running for the premiership. Except for Sharad Pawar today, one does not see this happening with regional leaders. There was also an idealism associated with the formation of the Janata Party, and his being imprisoned during the Emergency gave him some more legitimacy.

[[Morarji Desai was living in the Mahatma-created bubble called Truth.]
Unfortunately, the bubble was mostly an insulator and the “truth” was on the outside.]

Facts are on the outside; truth is usually internalised and therefore in an ideal situation accepts that it is relative. The bubble-Truth tends to be absolute.

[Are there any instances of when the man LOST over the sage?]

Forced abstinence is an example, although it may not be ‘sagacious’.

[There is a huge difference between titles formally conferred versus terms of affection/reverence that come into being spontaneously! Only the former would be considered a “reward”, the latter simply verbalizes a need of OURS!]

Would you be flattered by a term of endearment? Then that is your reward and also verbalises another’s need to express it!

[(By the way, you weren’t offered any “beverages” during your interview, were you?)]

As a matter of policy, I do not drink when I am in the driver’s seat…
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#25 by prakasam:

Roy? Shucks, if it is you, then this is a pleasant surprise. I guess you have lost my numbers! Want to touch base? farzanavee@chowk.com

``The typical attitude of leftists, including congress leaders, in India has been to denounce caste system and even denounce the hindu society for it, but to use the caste divisions for staying in power instead of taking any concrete steps to end those divisions. ``


I always wonder why it is not ``communal`` to divide the society based on caste ? Can you believe it , that sh!thead VP Singh is the apple of the secular eyes!

Re: # 37
dost-mittar ji even you are only partly right here.Its true that congress has been using caste divisions to its own advantage and used reservations etc. just to create vote banks.
But I dont understand why you accuse left of the same thing and how BJP brought all sections of hindus together and what have they and RSS/VHP have done to end casteism?
In fact even BJP`s allies,(Akalis)the so called representatives of Sikhs,SGPC and their nominated Jathedaars of five takhts have not done anything against casteism.All castes have different gurudwaras in villages and cities of Punjab which is against the basic principles of Sikhism.

I don`t know much about ``Morarji desai`` except that he was an ex-PM and drank his own liquid stuff.. But why was he awarded the top honour from Pakistan??.. sounds suspicious to me.. pakistan is one country that never had anything positive to offer to india..

Desai is my favorite Indian, of course only second to Modi Bhai.

Amit,
Just read what you have written. Harimau had not abused you but had attacked your political views. You on the other hand have been abusive as well attacked his region and his caste. Are you gettig personal because you dont have the stuff to challenge him?

HP,
``Here was a strange man who worked all his life following in Gandhi ji footstep and in the end just outshone Gandhi Ji by pioneering something so much in tune with Indian culture that beat Gandhi’s ahnsa or non violence philosophy hands down.. Gandhi talked about something that wasn’t part of the Indian culture. ``

Not true, ahimsa has long been preached in India, including by Budha and Mahavira.