The Dour Ascetic

Ref amit aka India`s Terry Schiavo #20

[Hey madraasi, wake up and smell the coffee.]

Of course you have selective amnesia or forgotten that the socialist crap was peddled by UP-wallahs like Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Lal Bahadur Shastri, etc., in addition to Kripalani, Ram Manohar Lodhi & Co. It is the madrassi Rajaji who even started a conservative party called the Swatantra Party to combat socialism in India. We madrassis have been drinking coffee exclusively while you guys have been drinking tea all your life so don`t tell us to smell the coffee. We even know the difference between coffee and ``mellow yellow``.

Other than the fact that you people breed like pigs (thus giving UP and the Hindi belt a massive population), have you guys come up with one useful thing in life? Exactly how many Nobel Prizes have your porcine cousins won? Even for (Hindi) literature? Have you noticed that despite all the factories located at NOIDA, the industrial output of Hindiwallahs is minuscule?

Do tell us, what exactly are you Hindi-wallahs good for, except reproducing exponentially like viruses and thus making a good subject for the study of unhealthy organisms?

I know what you are going to do when you read this: resolve to convert India to a laboratory for population studies by adding to it.

The only somewhat nagging issue about Morarji is mentioned by soysauce.

Even in 1971, as Mrs Gandhi weighed various options facing the nation, someone was keeping N-K, the Depraved Duo in the White House constantly informed.

This one person did more, and more lasting, damage to the nation than can be ever put in words.

On the other hand, trusting anything K` said or wrote would suggest a real desperation to blame someone. Nor do we have any real evidence, IMO, against him. So Morarji remains unscathed in my eyes. We will prefer to believe that he became the `symbol of Pakistan` for the goodness of his heart.

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I am going to drink my piss, eat some monkey`s ass, and a chew on a horse`s scrotum. Jo karna hai kar lo.

Re:harimau

Hey madraasi, wake up and smell the coffee. Both left and right parties in India are responsible for our situation. The left parties messed up the economy till the 90s. If you have a booming economy, who cares about reservations for a few government jobs? Anyway the only people who complain about reservations are people like you, who do not have the brains to compete and succeed on your own, so you want to blame others. It is like the white trash in the US that keeps attacking affirmative action for their problems.

The right parties are obsessed with breaking masjids and building temples, while leading an occasional pogrom or two. If the BJP had focused 100% on economy instead of temples and mosques, it would still be in power today.

What you really want are low profile, smart leaders who unleash the economy, leave religious stuff alone for the next 50 years and let the ordinary people of India chart the destiny of the country. It is a libertarian philosophy, but I doubt someone with your pea sized brain will get it.

Ref amit aka India`s Terry Schiavo #8

[Morarji Desai was basically a fruitcake, a whacko..... It is people like him who gave Indians a guilt complex for wanting to be rich and successful - this obsession with austerity and self-denial was a key cultural stumbling block against developing a successful economy. Our socialist system and hindu levels of growth were due to this culture of looking down on material success and consumerism.

Thank god, we have tossed out this type of garbage. Finally we are living like normal people with a booming free market economy, democracy and secularism with everyone pursuing their ambitions to be rich, successful and happy without feeling guilty about it.]

It is just that Sanjay Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Lalloo Prasad Yadav, Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion, ``Drumbeat`` Maran, PV Narasimha Rao, Mayawati were pursuing ``secularism`` by pandering to caste-basedand religious vote banks while simultaneously earning world-class fortunes while you and I were left behind.

But then, it is easier to blame a man who personally did not benefit from his office for the general poverty than to bring to justice who enriched themselves at the public`s expense.

You REALLY must have been part of the quota system: you got one of those special seats reserved for the brain dead.

Ref amit aka India`s Terry Schiavo #17

[....Even today, the quality of a leader is measured by how spartan a life that person leads, the shabby car he travels in...]

We have Manmohan Singh the Neutered riding in an Ambassador rather than the Mercedes limousines that the BJP government had imported!

[The fact is that at individual level, we are as motivated to succeed and prosper as any other people. That is why since the 90s, we have seen such economic growth. If our leadership had not wasted 50 years, today we would be a developed nation.]

Out of those 50 wasted years, Morarji Desai was in power for only 18 months. The rest of the time we were ruled by Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. You might want to draw some conclusions from that. On the other hand, you might not and just decide to read books from Jawaharlal Nehru University or the English newspapers.

[I think finally we are getting it - we need total free market economy based on merit, democracy and complete secularism and we can become a major power.]

Merit means no reservations/quota system. Secularism means Common Civil Code and no subsidy for Haj pilgrimages.

The rest of India is getting it. You obviously aren`t.

Brain death is forever!

Re:Beejay#13

You wrote:``This whole concept of blind reverence based on age alone makes me very sick, since I am convinced it is at the root of many ills that the Indian subcontinent faces today (my personal view, of course)!``

That is very well put and absolutely true. We have this notion that age equals wisdom, which is not true in a lot of cases. This makes us resistant to new ideas and concepts as we cling on to the past.

A classic example is our fascination for austerity. Before independence, it made sense for Gandhi to promote austerity and self-discipline in order to fight against the British. But after we had our own country and controlled our destiny, what sense did it make to create a virtue out of poverty? While other countries like Taiwan or South Korea focused on economic growth, we got mired in socialism. Even our rightist leaders were not very materialistic and obsessed with religious stuff while the leftist ones made a complete fetish of poverty. Even today, the quality of a leader is measured by how spartan a life that person leads, the shabby car he travels in and whether he has sex or not. What correlation does that have to performance or good governance? I would pick someone dynamic who has a zest for life and who wants to deliver solutions to the people rather than a monk to lead my country.

The fact is that at individual level, we are as motivated to succeed and prosper as any other people. That is why since the 90s, we have seen such economic growth. If our leadership had not wasted 50 years, today we would be a developed nation. I think finally we are getting it - we need total free market economy based on merit, democracy and complete secularism and we can become a major power.

Re:satyamvada #15

O learned one, please feel free to follow in Morarji Desai`s footsteps and consume your own urine. I am sure you will enjoy all the therepeutic value of it. It may even work wonders and improve your IQ.

Amit,

You have once again displayed your abject ignorance.

Go to China - you will see how many people drink their own urine (this should tell
the Pakis also something, because pakis look to chinese for copying and approval).

Anyway, extracts from animal urine is part of many drugs, so next time you take
some medicine check it out.

When Morarji Desai visited the US, Ted Koppel of ABC Nightline asked him the
same question ? - Morarji Desai was of course prepared. He explained the medical
reasons why he consumed his urine, pointed out the various other products that
had urine extracts and then said that to be healthy, he concluded by saying that
he preferred his own urine rather than drinking that of others.

Anyway, for those who dont know, cow urine is also a disinfectant and is used
in all the villages of India. Leaves of neem and cow-urine are
used in villages for curbing chickenpox outbreak.

bongdongs #12,
I forgot about him being against the nuclear project. As I mentioned he remembered about Gandhi only when he accepted the Bharat Ratna, but accepted the Pakistani award inspite of Govt. opposition. Dilip Kumar used Moraji Desai as the pretext for accepting the Pakistani award.

Reply to #9, Mr. Gandhi:

The author never brought up the issue of urine therapy!

In my interact (#3) (which you have kindly pointed to (and therefore I am responding to)), urine therapy was mentioned in passing to highlight the fact that Mr. Desai was always VERY convinced of whatever he thought, plus he never ever could allow the possibility that he may be wrong! This would be called “hard-headedness”, which is a characteristic (not an insult). In many ways, it costed him dearly, including perhaps in terms of holding political office, and his inflexibility was the main reason (a point I believe the article makes)!

For the record, most doctors don’t condemn the above-mentioned therapy on medical grounds, although most also do not believe it adds any value to the diet! (Disclaimer, I am not a doctor.)

I have checked the links you provided. They do not appear to add any new insights. The first link mostly focuses on a meeting between Zia and Desai and the second one appears to contain a sanitized biography for official purposes.

Frankly, I find it very disturbing that in this day and age, people in the subcontinent continue to blindly support individuals and leaders simply because they are “old and revered”. In order to make any progress, one needs to be able to question others’ thinking, sometimes understanding those and sometimes forming alternate ideas and views. This whole concept of blind reverence based on age alone makes me very sick, since I am convinced it is at the root of many ills that the Indian subcontinent faces today (my personal view, of course)!

Therefore, although I can understand that you are upset with some of the language used here (perhaps by interactor #8, for example, where the words may be strong and certainly not those that I would have used), he still has some legitimate points to make, which you need to address (and in my view, you have not)!

Thanks.

He was a incurable pacifist who did not understand geo-politics. Sarabhai and Morarji were the two people who tried to dismantle the Indian nuclear weapons program. Morarji also tried hard to dismantle Indian intelligence operations in Pakistan.

The Nishan-E-Pakistan was hard earned!

Amit,
Let`s evaluate him for his job performance, and not for his personal habits. About his role as PM, he did an ok job. He based the relations with USA on a better standing. About relations with Pakistan, there is big hoopla created by him and his close friends, although the details of the negotiation are unknown.

Re:Ashutosh_Gandhi#9

Excuse me, but whoever drinks his own urine needs to see a psychiatrist. I am ashamed that such a weirdo occupied our top executive office. It is totally disgusting. I still remember how everyone used to ridicule him for such stupidity and I am sure the rest of the world used to cringe when this guy would show up, given that he had probably drunk his urine that morning. I can understand celibacy and self-denial but drinking urine? That is too much.

I would advise the readers to take this article with a pinch of salt. This article is full of quotes (as shown in interact #3) that makes me feel that FV has lot of bias against Morarji Desai.
To those who have likened our first non congress prime minister as wacko and average so far should read following articles.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jul/11spec.htm

http://www.indiademocracy.com/resources/primeministers/morarjidesai.jsp

And finally a book by Morarji Desai of Morarji Desai: ``The story of my life``.
``Never do anything you`re not ashamed to talk about`` -Quote by Morarji Desai.

FV,

Morarji Desai was basically a fruitcake, a whacko. This guy used to drink his own urine. Who does that in India or anywhere else? On top of that he had a weird obsession with celibacy and austerity. It is people like him who gave Indians a guilt complex for wanting to be rich and successful - this obsession with austerity and self-denial was a key cultural stumbling block against developing a successful economy. Our socialist system and hindu levels of growth were due to this culture of looking down on material success and consumerism.

Thank god, we have tossed out this type of garbage. Finally we are living like normal people with a booming free market economy, democracy and secularism with everyone pursuing their ambitions to be rich, successful and happy without feeling guilty about it.

Moraji Desai was not a bad Prime Minister. He did a decent job. Although, its strange that he did not think of Gandhi when he accepted award from Pakistan, but used it to claim austerity while accepting Bharat Ratna.