Wapsi (The Returning)

re:#208 by cayenne
Considering that India depends heavily on NRI remittances, it is funny u should call us coolies. As doctors, we are in the top income bracket. There is no discrimination in US. Can u say the same for India?
Sridhar

Re: # 215

``I showed him the interacts and he had a hearty laugh, clutching his stomach. Do you want me to being him online?``

I said I believe you... your talkbacks are hilarious. What is this you being him. Show him your stuka board interacts... they are even funnier. As for the Jinnah Gandhi issue we discussed it to death on the Stuka board. I don`t understand why you want to bring it up on this board that has nothing to do with it.

RE:the answers... revisit the stuka board from where you ran with your tail between your legs.

This is where India is at in the course of its` foreign policy objectives......

......... Having shed most of its ideological burden, and adopted more pragmatic policies at home and abroad, India is in a position to move into the ranks of the major powers. In order to do so, it must continue its steady embrace of market-oriented policies, expand its ties to the United States, and pursue negotiating strategies in international fora that will enhance its national interests rather than those of some rag-tag global coalition.

http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/articles/wpj03-4/ganguly.html

#214 by Yasser

[I am surprised why you cited lack thereof as a reason to run away from the stuka board with your tail between your legs.]

Poor comprehension I guess. But then how would a unemployed lawyer understand that?

[As for your Amriki boss chuckling, please make sure he is not laughing at your below par comprehension level , for despite that fake ``American accent`` that you learnt at night school, it seems to me that your English language skills leave a lot to be desired.]

I showed him the interacts and he had a hearty laugh, clutching his stomach. Do you want me to being him online?

[For example I noticed that a busy man like yourself not only went through the Manto story completely but you mistook the figuritive for the literal, as is oft the case with Indians experimenting with a foreign language.]

Of course, Pakis speak great English. One only has to look at Inzamam and then at Irfan Pathan, the difference is obvious despite the fact that both hail from a similar background.

[My dear dear friend I have repeatedly told you that you have your reading of history. It does not coincide with my own.]

Would have done a world of good to you had you realized this before you attacked Gandhi.

[I have already told you that while you have appointed yourself as Gandhi-defender, Jinnah sahab needs no defending especially against wild accusations by some call center employee, least of all from me, who is after all as you put it a failed lawyer.]

Jinnah called for Direct Action. He remained silent when violence was raging. This is a wild allegation? Sure. But then how would a failed lawyer realize there is a case there? Or he wouldn`t be a failure in the first place. You agree?

And if you thought you could attack Gandhi and get away, this should have brought you back to your senses.

[Still if you wish to continue this discussion, seeing as you have so much time on your hand, you are welcome to pick it on the stuka board.]

If you have the answer, I don`t think it would matter on which board we are.

Re: # 213

Dear Sir,

I don`t doubt that you have time ... I am surprised why you cited lack thereof as a reason to run away from the stuka board with your tail between your legs.

As for your Amriki boss chuckling, please make sure he is not laughing at your below par comprehension level , for despite that fake ``American accent`` that you learnt at night school, it seems to me that your English language skills leave a lot to be desired. For example I noticed that a busy man like yourself not only went through the Manto story completely but you mistook the figuritive for the literal, as is oft the case with Indians experimenting with a foreign language.

My dear dear friend I have repeatedly told you that you have your reading of history. It does not coincide with my own. I have already told you that while you have appointed yourself as Gandhi-defender, Jinnah sahab needs no defending especially against wild accusations by some call center employee, least of all from me, who is after all as you put it a failed lawyer.

Still if you wish to continue this discussion, seeing as you have so much time on your hand, you are welcome to pick it on the stuka board.

Sincerely

YLH

#212 by Yasser

[Now get back to cold calling instead of wasting my time and yours. What will your Amriki boss say?]

If an employed guy can find time, I`m sure an out of work lawyer can find time too. Then why are you cribbing about wasting time? What happened to my answers? Or have you realized that you don`t have answers, but don`t have the guts to admit it? Its okay buddy, find some work soon, or you will go mad. My Amriki boss is chuckling at the ass-whupping you are getting.

Re: # 210

Please refer to http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004938&channel=gulberg#interact where all your questions were answered. If you are eager to restart it please revisit the board.

Now get back to cold calling instead of wasting my time and yours. What will your Amriki boss say?

Re: # 210

Please refer to http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004938&channel=gulberg#interact where all your questions were answered. If you are eager to restart it please revisit the board.

Now get back to cold calling instead of wasting my time and yours. What will your Amriki boss say?

#209 by Yasser

[Such long winded explanations from a very busy man? Amazing.]

You must stop trying to pretend that you`re educated. You wouldn`t have written this had you read my previous post. But then, may be I`m asking for too much. Anyways, coming to the brasstacks.

Nawabzada Liaqat Ali Khan, the first Prime Minister of the Dominion of Pakistan, on the implications of the Direct Action threat:

“Direct Action means resort to non-constitutional methods, and that can take any form which may suit the conditions under which we live. We cannot eliminate any methods. Direct Action means any action against the Law.”

Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar, later a member of the Pakistan Government, declared:

“Pakistan can only be achieved through shedding blood of ourselves, and if need be, and if opportunity arose, by shedding blood of others. Muslims are no believers in Ahimsa.”

An excerpt from the ‘News Chronicle’ of the 30th July, 1946, a day after the passage of the Direct Action Resolution:

“What precisely does Mr. Jinnah think he will achieve by embracing violence-and at a moment when so substantial a part of his claims has been conceded?

“Does he think that communal strife will benefit India or even the Muslim part of India? He has only to look at other parts of Asia to see what lies at the end of that tunnel.

“Does he want his country to become another China, ravaged and utterly impoverished by interminable Civil War?

“It is hopeless, of course, if Mr. Jinnah is wedded to complete intransigence-if, as now seems the case he really is thirsting for a holy war.

“If Mr. Jinnah nosy resorts to violence, it will be very difficult to save India from disaster.”

Here is what the Civil & Military Gazette of Lahore (a very pro-Muslim paper), said apropos the Calcutta riots in its editorial in its issue of August 20, 1946 (four days after the commencement of these riots).

“We have termed the jeremiads of Muslim Leaguers ‘near hysterical nonsense,’ but they represent a trend of thought and a psychological attitude which hold the utmost danger for the whole country. Words are being broadcast everyday which will make fanatics of law-abiding citizens and throw them into the same camp with the lowest of goondas.”

Further it says:

“Authentic reports from all parts of India describe the country as a powder-magazine, and at the moment the Muslim League is holding a torch which may send it sky-high. If the spark is applied, the present League leadership will have to shoulder responsibility for events which will not only blast for ever all hopes of Hindu-Muslim co-operation in any field, but which will ruin all chances of India’s progress for decades.”

Now that it is amply clear that just about everyone feared there would be violence resulting from Jinnah’s call to Direct Action, how come only he thought it would be “peaceful”?

Coupled with this extract from your “favorite story from Saadat Hassan Manto”:

“In the game of politics, Qaid-e-Azam was as careful. He would never decide immediately. He would analyze and scrutinize each problem as if it were a billiard ball. He would move his cue to hit only if he was certain. Before he struck, he would weigh his prey with his eyes carefully. He would consider all angles. He would select the weapon according to the size of his opponent. He was not a hunter who would pick up a gun and just shoot. He would make sure not to miss. He would know his prey’s every possible weakness before he aimed.”

Could it be that Jinnah knew what was coming, yet talked about a “peaceful civil disobedience movement” so it didn’t arouse the suspicions of his prey, the Hindus of Calcutta?

Re: # 207

Such long winded explanations from a very busy man? Amazing.

#199 by rsridhar on April 19, 2005 6:46pm PT
re:#191 by Prashant123
After reading your interacts, i too don`t think................


....................Imagine.A REAL coolie, wiping the white man`s arse everyday for a living talking derogatory about indians working and living honourably in their own country.Shame on you.

#205 by Yasser

[Dear Harish Hyd sahab, it is clear to me that you have nothing to offer except insults and abuse.]

Another post. Still no answer in sight. If you are trying to wear me out by writing post after post without answering my question, let me assure you that the only person you are wearing out is yourself.

[As far as your full time job is concerned, I have already expressed my surprise at your willingness to start up a discussion that took over 300 interacts on an altogether new board while you are supposed to be making those cold calls.]

Man, you are confused, in addition to being desperate and frustrated. At first, you said I was just a call center employee. Just a few interacts ago, you said I was not qualified for even making cold calls. Now you say just the opposite. Which one is it? Take a few deep breaths and guess. Doesn`t matter if you were unable to answer my question, and doesn`t matter if you are unable to answer this one too. Never mind the fact that you don`t know the basic thing about call centers and that is they work at nights. You`ll still be called clueless only once.

[If indeed you did care about your job and that was the logic behind your exit, why would you restart the same discussion again? Is this not wasting your time?]

Simple, the reason is that there are periods when you have tons of work and no time, and then there are periods when you have lots of time and no work. But then, I wouldn`t expect an unemployed man to understand it.

Re: # 196


Its not too much to ask....

Unfortunately... no one here is a generous person, self included, to grant such a simple request.

Re: # 202

Dear Harish Hyd sahab, it is clear to me that you have nothing to offer except insults and abuse. As far as your full time job is concerned, I have already expressed my surprise at your willingness to start up a discussion that took over 300 interacts on an altogether new board while you are supposed to be making those cold calls. If indeed you did care about your job and that was the logic behind your exit, why would you restart the same discussion again? Is this not wasting your time?

Re kardesh #66

[You have presented a compelling description of the cruelties of Timur Lung (Tamerlane). This brutal conqueror was a Mongol and most of his warfare and resultant victims were mostly Muslim.]

I can give you equally compelling descriptions about almost evry one of the muslim rulers in India. Here’s a sampler. About Akbar the Great:

“Emperor Akbar ordered the massacre of about 30,000 (captured) Rajput Hindus on February 24, 1568 AD, after the battle for Chitod. Another reference indicates that this massacre of 30,000 Hindu peasants at Chitod is recorded by Abul Fazl, Akbar`s court historian himself. The Afghan historian Khondamir records that during one of the many repeated invasions on the city of Herat in western Afghanistan, 1,500,000 residents perished.”

Now Akbar was supposed to be the exception to the rule. Not really, as it would appear.

[While we should compare people in history to their peers and not to Mother Teresa]

I did actually compare the muslim rulers to ANY and ALL of the Hindu rulers before their time, during their time, and after their time. There is no comparison.

[please do not twist history so that it appears that violence, mass murder, cruelty all started with the Muslims.]

Mass murder of prisoners and defeated soldiers and opponents DID START WITH THE MUSLIMS IN INDIA. Never before. Never since.

[Yes, Muslims were among the most violent of peoples (especially with each other), but they don’t hold any patents on this detestable aspect of human behavior.]

Outside India they don’t. In India they do. Show me otherwise.

[I think you need to read in detail, the events of Mahabharata and the treatment of Dalits at the hands of the upper castes]

Not so fast. Which event of the Mahabharata?

Bad treatment of the Dalits by the upper castes, although criminal, is not a comparable event. Crimes happen everyday in every country. I am talking about murdering many thousands of prisoners. In the name of God.

[The eradication of native-born Buddhism from India was also accomplished long before Muslims showed up.]

I think you know better about this after the preceding posts.

[Of course, I see your point that someone giving us 98 lashes is certainly more compassionate than the cruel ba$tard who engages in giving 100 lashes]

That is not my point. That is a quantitative difference. I AM TALKING ABOUT A QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE IN THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE MUSLIM RULERS. A HUGE QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE.


I think I understand where you are coming from. From your posts, you seem like a very decent guy, and like any self-respectring individual, you cannot accept the fact that your forefathers were responsible for such heinous crimes.

Well the good news is that you are of Indian heritage, much as you people try to identify with everything Arabic. Urdu is but Hindi with some Persian and Arabic words sprinkled in, and written in an Arabic script. Might as well have been written using the Slavic script. Doesn’t change the language at all. It is Sankrit-derived.

And more good news: your forefathers were honorable people, who developed the most advanced philosophies and sciences (check out a list of ancient Hindu mathemeticians, for example). It just so happened that one of your forefathers converted (forced to convert, in all probability) leading you to being a muslim today. Which is okay. You can always think back in time, if you want.

You ARE my brother, much as you would want to deny it. We have the same basic genetic heritage.

Obviously dactar babu is chronically depressed having crossed middle age and realising the futility of a life gone by and mediocrity of it all. And is now reduced to venting his frustrations on strangers in anonymous internet websites , taunting them about their assumed occupations and lifestyle and playing the Oracle , warning about a dire future to follow....... Probably makes him feel a little better about himself....