Shatranj ke Khiladi

Hello chusni/echoboom

enough frothing? coffee?

Re: # 260
Actually the restriction as I recall from the Quran is against saying one`s prayers with a ``befogged mind``, i.e. a mind that does not think clearly, regardless of source (alcohol, drugs).

Isnt that a conundrum? If you think clearly you would not believe all the wisdom
in this world is in one book. So all true muslims are praying with a ``befogged mind``?

Hello Captain Clueless...Looks like Canuckistan is going to focus on aid for Pakistan and trade ties with India....even canuckistan thinks pakiland needs aid..along with rawanda and burkina faso....



Canada Overhauls Foreign Aid Programme

From: IFTIKHAR ALI
NEW YORK: -- Canada will overhaul its foreign aid programme, devoting most of its assistance to a group of 25 countries, including Pakistan, rather than spreading it out over more than 150 nations as at present, the government announced in Ottawa Tuesday.
The announcement was made in a wide-ranging foreign policy review which reconfirmed Ottawa`s intention to double its foreign aid to more than 5 billion Canadian dollars billion ($4 billion) by 2010 from 2001 levels, according to media reports from the Canadian capital.
Critics have long complained about what they see as the unfocused nature of Canada`s overseas assistance and ask why Ottawa is giving money to such emerging superpowers as China.

It said the 25 nations -- including Benin, Burkina Faso, Rwanda and Zambia -- were among the poorest on earth and had already demonstrated they could use aid effectively. But one key proposed recipient is Kenya, which Canada recently criticized for not clamping down on corruption.

The 25 major recipients in 2010 will be:
-- Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Malawi, Mali, Mozambique, Niger, Rwanda, Senegal, Tanzania, Zambia
-- Bolivia, Guyana, Honduras, Nicaragua
-- Bangladesh, Cambodia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Vietnam
-- Ukraine

A Caucasian friend of mine said something to the effect
`` It looked like the guy (Musharraf) would sell his mom ...``
bbabu:261

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would?

Most likely the guy did. Most likely the guy is a product of such a transaction...

Other than Zia-ul-Haque, who was named by a civilian President ( Bhutto) all the rest are/were appointed by remote control. The masters make sure that such an appointee : Drinks, is a zaanee, does not pray, fast, nor performs Hajj ( Umra is legal reqmt. for visa; should not be cofused with religious bent: good for hoodwinking avaam though); does not keep beard, does not show interest in Islam or muslim affairs, keeps aloof from the company of Ulema but mixes very frankly with westernised-kanjaRR scum. Travels often to crawl upon the masters carpet, whimpers a lot when screws are tightened & begs for clemency, prefers progress over honour, believes in material gains over self respect and and and...

Enjoys selling his mom in open market.

Do you not see how these KanjaRRs take their wives on foreign tours. They copy their master.
Koi inn kanjaRRoan sey poochhay kay abay beevi ko naukri pay lai jaanay kee kyaa zaroorat hai.

Do Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Germans, Saudis, Iranis --name anyone who is not a pimp and KanjaRR does it and you will soon have the answer.

It is the Kuttaas from the Cantonemente & Civilian Kennels and their kuttee spouses and puppies who are the real curse upon Pakistan. These snakes who have been weaned by Miss Muffets of the grammar schools are the haraamzaadays & ghulaamzaadays who are the Rushdick promoters.

Re: # 261
He should have picked different choice of words.

Re: # 225
Amit,
FYI, whichever is your first language spoken when you are infant that becomes the basis of tounge. I am yet to meet an Indian who can speak English with American or British accent properly. Only exception would be those who are 3rd generation, in that case their parents would not speak Indian Languages at home.
It is very clear R and T are the weakest letters for Indians to pronounce.

delhiwala #257

`` DM: Well said, I was watching his speech on CNN that day with English sub-titles. My American friends were shocked at the reasons given by Musharraf to support USA.
Honestly, they were polarised and too backward.
I don`t exactly remember the words, but the gist was that in times you have to make treaties with your enemies only to gain power and strike later on.

Obviously, that speech was ment for his countrymen, but they were not meant for Western Audience.``

A Caucasian friend of mine said something to the effect
`` It looked like the guy (Musharraf) would sell his mom ...``

delhiwala: Actually the restriction as I recall from the Quran is against saying one`s prayers with a ``befogged mind``, i.e. a mind that does not think clearly, regardless of source (alcohol, drugs).

The Chief KanjaRR of Pakistan takes a perverse pride in not treating the Ulema and the mullahs with respect , honour and dignity. How can one expects Pimps & Prostitutes to have any respect for the mullahs ( good word use it often).

So is that a surprise when Maulana Sami-ul-Haque, not only a Pakistani Senator but a Chairman of the Senate Standing Committee is thus shabbily treated in Belgium.

Salutes to the Pakistani delegation and especially S.M. Zafar who rubbed the Belgian Noses in dirt and refused to meet the European delegation until & unless MAULANA Sami-ul-Haq is part of it.

The delegation left Belgium without meeting anyone.

Re: # 243

Tahmed Sahib, Maybe I am wrong but as a Muslim you can consume alcohol if it is not made up grapes, right?

Re: # 249

DM: Well said, I was watching his speech on CNN that day with English sub-titles. My American friends were shocked at the reasons given by Musharraf to support USA.
Honestly, they were polarised and too backward.
I don`t exactly remember the words, but the gist was that in times you have to make treaties with your enemies only to gain power and strike later on.

Obviously, that speech was ment for his countrymen, but they were not meant for Western Audience.

#251 by HP on April 20, 2005 10:33am PT



It is ridiculous that you and Arjun feel good about Jamaat Islami leader accusing Musharaf of betrayal.


More ridiculous than, say, pakistanis thinking a bus service is the first step in a process that end in India giving up land?


Jamaat Islami’s view of Kashmir is different than many moderate Pakistanis. Jamaat Islami was the motivating and financing force to bring Jihad culture in Kashmir and it is a pity that you feel good when Musharaf attempts to step away from the JI politics in Kashmir.


yup....the paki army and those jihad collection boxes have nothing to do with the jihad...it`s was done by the JI by itself...

wake up and smell the coffee...the army was the prime mover behind the jihad...it`s quite a u-turn for them now...first afghanistan, then bombing their own civilians and now they`ve talibanned the indigenous kashmiri jihadis....

HP#251:

Hey, far from criticising Musharraf, I do like what`s happening. Both sides will have to make compromises, which is exactly what I had said in the article to which arjun-m provided the link. India too will have to make some compromises but it will take quite some time before the public opinion will allow it. Remember, unlike Pakistan, an Indian leader is constrained by the fact that any solution will have to be approved by the Indian parliament, maybe by a two-thirds majority.


echoboom#252:

Thanks for addtional info. on Hudaibya. I understood Musharraf to cite it as a rationale to swallow a bitter pill under the circumstances.

rather than worrying about being a player, pakistani generals should think about the upcoming neutralization of pakistan`s nuclear capabilities. Once america is done with iran and saudi arabia, it is turn of pakistan`s WMD. question is how and when. it could be with india`s assistance, it could be via UN taking over pakistan`s nuclear capabilities or outright air strike but the islamic bomb will be taken care of.

hence, rather than living in dream world of leading the crescent states, pakistan should worry about covering its rear side...

a good ``PERSONAL VIEWPOINT`` of the current political settings in South East Asia...true to quite an extent but too many personal thoughts and opinions are part of it to be a really good source of information. thanks for making the effort and sharing it with us.

dost-mittar:249

It is very comical when a Ba Ba Blacksheep ( an english-medium, non-madressa type) starts quoting Quran & Hadiths. Such scum should confine themselves to Rushdick scholarship.

Without entering into any religious discussion & ``teaching`` anybody here.

Hudaybia was between two parties at war:Muslims and Mushriks
Was Pakistan or muslims at war with U.S? This guy suddenly had this daRRhi-meiN-tinka, as if he was behing the attack on 9/11. The joke is that like those accused of hijackings were drunks & debauchers ( zaani sharabees) like him. What that had to do with Pakistan, Islam or muslims. From where did he draw this authority? This same uniformed guy who was condemned & unrecognised suddenly became a spokesman of Islam & Pakistan?.

It is like a Lowly Mafia operative agrees to never again become a police informer and signs this pledge in blood & gives it to the Godfather.

``Majbooree O Dava-e graftaaree-i uulfat``--Ghalib
There is no choice & wayout so one keeps on harping about the great love & affection for one`s life-partner--for appearances sake.

The only equivalent of Hudaibyaa in modern times is that of ``dettante``(sp?) between US and USSR . Hudaybia was a moratorium on war but NOT an agreement, compromise, or dilution of Islamic values. It is a very fine-piece of document from which a lot can be learned by the so-called ``advanced`` and ``modern`` types...even today.