Nadeem F Paracha May 12, 2005
#32 Posted by DawgUSA on May 20, 2005 8:32:33 am
Man was that a plane or a shooting star????? what was it!!!! i am still confused.
Yaar NFP Charas ka soota laga kar matt likha kaar... sometimes you writing become ``Paradise lost`` with no definate ending.. you get my drift...See ya
Yaar NFP Charas ka soota laga kar matt likha kaar... sometimes you writing become ``Paradise lost`` with no definate ending.. you get my drift...See ya
#29 Posted by shockthemonk on May 17, 2005 10:30:59 pm
This left me woozy. Must read again. All hell breaks loose in NFP writings. Life as we know it?
Demented cheetaah?
Demented cheetaah?
#25 Posted by trashman on May 16, 2005 1:58:18 am
``````Now Saima wanted out. Just go somewhere away. Away from all the outs and the withins. To a place totally different. A place she could call heaven instead of a home, a hideout instead of a den and so on and so forth. “Baaki saab bucwaas!” (All is bullshit!), she thought.``````
Ha! Alla jee. Words swing with Paracha. Cheetah hai, NFP, cheetah.
Ha! Alla jee. Words swing with Paracha. Cheetah hai, NFP, cheetah.
#24 Posted by Nass on May 15, 2005 1:32:17 am
Somebody here asked that what goes oin in this man`s head? I`ve tried to figure that out
for ages now and it is as if he gurds it like he too is too scared of what goes on in there.
Did enjoy much of it but do believe tyhe end should have been as intriguing and strong as the opening and middle. My 2 cents.
for ages now and it is as if he gurds it like he too is too scared of what goes on in there.
Did enjoy much of it but do believe tyhe end should have been as intriguing and strong as the opening and middle. My 2 cents.
#23 Posted by temporal on May 14, 2005 9:06:41 am
am: (#19)
blinkering cop out...plain and simple...hogwash...excuses for not dressing in public when the wardrobe is (ostensibly) full...no justification!...time moves at the same pace here, there and there...words elicit respect...callousness does not:
...callousness is streakers running amok in church service
...callousness is filmi qawwali during an auschwitz memorial
...callousness is marsia singing on mehndi or wedding eve
...callousness is not reigining in the horses in chariot-race of ideas
...callousness is abuse, plain and simple
...callousness is not respect for words and ideas
...this is only intended for you since you will understand the reference...
lve
t
blinkering cop out...plain and simple...hogwash...excuses for not dressing in public when the wardrobe is (ostensibly) full...no justification!...time moves at the same pace here, there and there...words elicit respect...callousness does not:
...callousness is streakers running amok in church service
...callousness is filmi qawwali during an auschwitz memorial
...callousness is marsia singing on mehndi or wedding eve
...callousness is not reigining in the horses in chariot-race of ideas
...callousness is abuse, plain and simple
...callousness is not respect for words and ideas
...this is only intended for you since you will understand the reference...
lve
t
#22 Posted by ana on May 14, 2005 6:06:40 am
i like amrita`s point about status quo being maintained. above all that is the case. . . as for the absurd, that has been nadeem`s `habit` so to speak, ever since his first appearance on chowk.
but what audience would not be a ``f***ing waste of penises``? the irony here is that such a phrase does not apply to gay men alone, IF we have to use it.
--
i was watching ``dr. strangelove`` the other day which some consider a classic as far as satire is concerned. and at some point, i noticed how ridiculous the dialogue sounded, particularly in the `war room`. it was hilarious. but as i was watching that, and thinking about viqar`s comment on NFP`s use of dialogue, i also thought of the dialogue, the twisting of language that absurdists like ionesco for example used in their plays, and that was forced too, to some extent. . . intentional. which in satire is pardonable. and viqar sahib acknowledges that. but there is a certain impatience in having these ideas and wanting to get to the denouement, and i can see viqar`s point of how an idea can be sacrificed with such impatience.
so where i will not go so far as to say that nadeem abuses his talent. . . i will say that rushing to bring a creation into the world, and then not nurturing it might could would lead the guardians of what classifies as good writing to make such pronounced judgments.
but what audience would not be a ``f***ing waste of penises``? the irony here is that such a phrase does not apply to gay men alone, IF we have to use it.
--
i was watching ``dr. strangelove`` the other day which some consider a classic as far as satire is concerned. and at some point, i noticed how ridiculous the dialogue sounded, particularly in the `war room`. it was hilarious. but as i was watching that, and thinking about viqar`s comment on NFP`s use of dialogue, i also thought of the dialogue, the twisting of language that absurdists like ionesco for example used in their plays, and that was forced too, to some extent. . . intentional. which in satire is pardonable. and viqar sahib acknowledges that. but there is a certain impatience in having these ideas and wanting to get to the denouement, and i can see viqar`s point of how an idea can be sacrificed with such impatience.
so where i will not go so far as to say that nadeem abuses his talent. . . i will say that rushing to bring a creation into the world, and then not nurturing it might could would lead the guardians of what classifies as good writing to make such pronounced judgments.
#21 Posted by Charlie on May 14, 2005 4:20:39 am
Wonderful Imagination. It is not easy to show all that is cooking inside your brain. And also it is not easy to cook all that in a single brain. You are fukkin creative when it comes to rebellion. I wonder if the rebellion is against some specific society or you were also going to be a rebel if you were born in the bloody filthy west.
Overall, I believe this was a good article directed towards a non-appropriate audience. A more appropriate audience might be the one that is not ``a fukkin waste of penises``.
Overall, I believe this was a good article directed towards a non-appropriate audience. A more appropriate audience might be the one that is not ``a fukkin waste of penises``.
#20 Posted by drlokraj on May 14, 2005 2:32:38 am
abstract,cryptic,bezarre.......appears creepy and even absurd...screwed up oedipal and electra complexes!
Is it artistic exaggeration of the crisis the generatios are going through?
reflection of the regression to the level of fixation in Freudian sense?
I am not sure about the resolution...is there no healthy way out?
Is it artistic exaggeration of the crisis the generatios are going through?
reflection of the regression to the level of fixation in Freudian sense?
I am not sure about the resolution...is there no healthy way out?
#19 Posted by amrita on May 13, 2005 10:03:52 pm
I liked this one, although I think that somewhere close to the end the story was rushed and thrown together.
But I thought there was a certain inevitablity to the end. When Saima is a woman who wishes to be a man and marry The Wrong Man, and her traditionalist father is struggling with gender issues at close hand and sees the man become the woman in front of his eyes and wonders if this means the woman must become the man [dizzy making isnt it?] - something had to give and it was Shah - castrated and beheaded, the New Wo/Man. And in a way status quo is maintained.
But I thought there was a certain inevitablity to the end. When Saima is a woman who wishes to be a man and marry The Wrong Man, and her traditionalist father is struggling with gender issues at close hand and sees the man become the woman in front of his eyes and wonders if this means the woman must become the man [dizzy making isnt it?] - something had to give and it was Shah - castrated and beheaded, the New Wo/Man. And in a way status quo is maintained.
#17 Posted by ana on May 13, 2005 6:37:49 am
i guess what is jarring about this piece to me is there is some discussion of ``the death of the father`` -- something that is seen beyond countless times in western literature (i`ve read little eastern to make that assumption), but what we see is ``the death of the other``. and shah is an ``other``. he really didn`t have a chance.
there is something as well to the repetition of being within and without -- the need for outlets, or ``outing`` oneself. shah becomes the outlet for both father and daughter to release their anger, hate, frustration. . . but the last paragraph jars because it is incongruous (isn`t murder incongruent anyway)? how do we get from an argument where a daughter attempts to assert her own identity to the murder of a gay man who is dealing with his? (and the absurdity of shah`s character dangerously approaches stereotype)
sexual identity (or lack of) appears to be a huge theme here located in a place which continues to struggle with its own identity while it denies ``the other`` theirs. i personally feel this issue deserved better treatment. :)
viqar,
you raise a good point about the dialogue. (i had a ``but. . . .`` clause to add, but (!) it is still too early in the morning for me and i am without coffee)
ana
there is something as well to the repetition of being within and without -- the need for outlets, or ``outing`` oneself. shah becomes the outlet for both father and daughter to release their anger, hate, frustration. . . but the last paragraph jars because it is incongruous (isn`t murder incongruent anyway)? how do we get from an argument where a daughter attempts to assert her own identity to the murder of a gay man who is dealing with his? (and the absurdity of shah`s character dangerously approaches stereotype)
sexual identity (or lack of) appears to be a huge theme here located in a place which continues to struggle with its own identity while it denies ``the other`` theirs. i personally feel this issue deserved better treatment. :)
viqar,
you raise a good point about the dialogue. (i had a ``but. . . .`` clause to add, but (!) it is still too early in the morning for me and i am without coffee)
ana
#16 Posted by viqar.qadir on May 13, 2005 4:55:53 am
Nadeem
this is another example of a brilliant idea, a great `start` that was later mauled to death. the piece started off great. it continued to rise for about 16 paragraphs or so and then the dialogue started. I hate to say this but you really should learn about dialogue, perhaps a creative writing course would help?
in almost trademark nadeem fashion, the story declined as soon as the dialogue started, it was affected, synthetic and forced, which is pardonable. it was hurried, and that`s not pardonable; dialogue being the distinguishing factor between a piece of fiction and a dental hygiene advertisement . the end, of course, was abrupt and by this time the story was totally divested of the charm it started with. In short, the reader came away not thinking about the issues you raised but about the incongruent decision by father and daughter to garrot the gay person, and that too in a sudden forced way.
I remain
A fan
this is another example of a brilliant idea, a great `start` that was later mauled to death. the piece started off great. it continued to rise for about 16 paragraphs or so and then the dialogue started. I hate to say this but you really should learn about dialogue, perhaps a creative writing course would help?
in almost trademark nadeem fashion, the story declined as soon as the dialogue started, it was affected, synthetic and forced, which is pardonable. it was hurried, and that`s not pardonable; dialogue being the distinguishing factor between a piece of fiction and a dental hygiene advertisement . the end, of course, was abrupt and by this time the story was totally divested of the charm it started with. In short, the reader came away not thinking about the issues you raised but about the incongruent decision by father and daughter to garrot the gay person, and that too in a sudden forced way.
I remain
A fan
#15 Posted by Ameena on May 12, 2005 11:33:27 pm
What goes in in this man`s head? We always knew he was weird and always fluctuating
between pagalpan and brilliance...as matter of fact very much like his stories.
I will not say what I made out of this but since it is Nadeem F. Paracha sufice to say
it is his usual bizzare style he uses to spit at what he hates, i.e. almost everything. :D
PS: Am not sure that is he laughing at or defending the rights of gays? But did find it interesting the way he takes a gay man and turns him into a God fearing Muslim one.
between pagalpan and brilliance...as matter of fact very much like his stories.
I will not say what I made out of this but since it is Nadeem F. Paracha sufice to say
it is his usual bizzare style he uses to spit at what he hates, i.e. almost everything. :D
PS: Am not sure that is he laughing at or defending the rights of gays? But did find it interesting the way he takes a gay man and turns him into a God fearing Muslim one.
#14 Posted by patwari on May 12, 2005 10:59:02 pm
On second reading and like all second or third readings of NFP stuff so much starts to
unfold. This is really a scathing attack on mullahs` idea of Islam and how they talk bout
unimportant matter and matters of sex only. A take of old Hindu andCatholic versions of morality in 21st century too perhaps? He loves covering his stuff with cryptic layers.
unfold. This is really a scathing attack on mullahs` idea of Islam and how they talk bout
unimportant matter and matters of sex only. A take of old Hindu andCatholic versions of morality in 21st century too perhaps? He loves covering his stuff with cryptic layers.
#13 Posted by indikad75 on May 12, 2005 10:45:37 pm
Another disillusioned Marxist.. God knows how many more people will this obsolete ideology take down with it ? !
#12 Posted by supersize on May 12, 2005 9:42:24 pm
``Bad moods cause PMS is a myth.`` I take that as a pro-Women`s Lib stance.:)) But I wont dare trying to confirm NFP`s real intentions. And being a woman, I somehow pitty Shah more than the other three. However found potrayal of Syma`s mom`s psychosis very disturbing.
#11 Posted by patwari on May 12, 2005 9:28:32 pm
Great stuff. Typical NFP if I may say. All over the place, wild, rude and at the same time so very there. Love the way he takes `serious` issues and parody`s the fcuk out of them or should I say parodys the way they are talked about. xcellent stuff Paracha man.
#10 Posted by ana on May 12, 2005 8:12:20 pm
temporal:
(...i spilled my coffee as i read your post)
tch tch. hope you didn`t spill it on yourself. :)
as for blasphemy, one can hope that NFP is a loving and forgiving man (not god). :)) i did not say he abuses his talent. . . that perhaps would be heresy!!! :)))
koi to-may-to kehta hai, tau koi to-maa-to kehta hai.
ana
p.s. te boomboom di taqleef naaee tourette`s ai, te naaee alzheimer`s. m`aamla kuj prickly lagda ai. (apologies, couldn`t resist. will you need another cup of coffee?!)
(...i spilled my coffee as i read your post)
tch tch. hope you didn`t spill it on yourself. :)
as for blasphemy, one can hope that NFP is a loving and forgiving man (not god). :)) i did not say he abuses his talent. . . that perhaps would be heresy!!! :)))
koi to-may-to kehta hai, tau koi to-maa-to kehta hai.
ana
p.s. te boomboom di taqleef naaee tourette`s ai, te naaee alzheimer`s. m`aamla kuj prickly lagda ai. (apologies, couldn`t resist. will you need another cup of coffee?!)
#9 Posted by BeeJay on May 12, 2005 4:34:32 pm
Mr. Paracha:
Man, you are GOOD! This was such a funny piece, if only it were not such a serious piece!
मान गये जनाब! (Maan gaye janab!)
Beej.
Man, you are GOOD! This was such a funny piece, if only it were not such a serious piece!
मान गये जनाब! (Maan gaye janab!)
Beej.
#8 Posted by temporal on May 12, 2005 3:03:25 pm
ana:
(...i spilled my coffee as i read your post)
...but this didn`t resonate with me all that much....
this will qualify for blasphemy;)
so i ain`t alone...
as for booboo will let his god deal with him...i`d recommend alzheimer to treat his tourette`s syndrome
lve
t
(...i spilled my coffee as i read your post)
...but this didn`t resonate with me all that much....
this will qualify for blasphemy;)
so i ain`t alone...
as for booboo will let his god deal with him...i`d recommend alzheimer to treat his tourette`s syndrome
lve
t
#7 Posted by ana on May 12, 2005 2:50:31 pm
temporal,
you might need a little more tea yourself every once in a while. would boom boom be a good companion?! perhaps some sympathy too. :) on second thought, perhaps not the sympathy part. :))
nadeem,
you have a lot of things to be weaned off of, cola, freud, shuk`r hai farhat hashmi se kuch najaat pa li. . . what else. bechaara shah. . . he never had a chance. this is no less ``twisted`` than some of your other stories pointing out the evils of certain systems (particularly religious ones), but this didn`t resonate with me all that much. :)
ana
you might need a little more tea yourself every once in a while. would boom boom be a good companion?! perhaps some sympathy too. :) on second thought, perhaps not the sympathy part. :))
nadeem,
you have a lot of things to be weaned off of, cola, freud, shuk`r hai farhat hashmi se kuch najaat pa li. . . what else. bechaara shah. . . he never had a chance. this is no less ``twisted`` than some of your other stories pointing out the evils of certain systems (particularly religious ones), but this didn`t resonate with me all that much. :)
ana
#6 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 12, 2005 1:46:22 pm
NFP:
good stuff! this reminds me of a certain japanese film director`s work though. :-)
and yea thank god there was no cola involved this time...
good stuff! this reminds me of a certain japanese film director`s work though. :-)
and yea thank god there was no cola involved this time...
#5 Posted by temporal on May 12, 2005 1:31:38 pm
an excerpt from an IM exchange
cc: did you find your voice
t: no, but N lost his voice;)
cc: he has a voice, aren`t u a tad jealous?
t: bzzz, tweet tweet, meow, peep peep, moo, caw, cuckoo, arf or woof, hee-haw, coo, quack quack, ribbit, honk, cackle, neigh, roar, squeak, oink oink, bleat, howl ...these are voices:)
cc: u r not kind to marques, eliot, desani, mahfouz
t: how can u even compare them to N?...yes am not kind, charitable
cc:charitable?
t: by witholding my comments
cc: you censor urself?
t: sometimes:)...when someone abuses talent
cc: what would u have said?
t:dysfunctional word groupings groping to act as a dysfunctional story written by a dysfunctional writer at a dysfunctional and highly under the influence period of his dysfunctional life vainly exposing the dysfunctionality of living under the dysfunctional minarets in a dysfunctional country occupied by a dysfunctional army-mullah conundrum over a dysfunctional bleeting populace:)
cc: wow, what does that mean?
t:ask H
cc: he loves him
t: that is why u should ask him:)
cc: did you find your voice
t: no, but N lost his voice;)
cc: he has a voice, aren`t u a tad jealous?
t: bzzz, tweet tweet, meow, peep peep, moo, caw, cuckoo, arf or woof, hee-haw, coo, quack quack, ribbit, honk, cackle, neigh, roar, squeak, oink oink, bleat, howl ...these are voices:)
cc: u r not kind to marques, eliot, desani, mahfouz
t: how can u even compare them to N?...yes am not kind, charitable
cc:charitable?
t: by witholding my comments
cc: you censor urself?
t: sometimes:)...when someone abuses talent
cc: what would u have said?
t:dysfunctional word groupings groping to act as a dysfunctional story written by a dysfunctional writer at a dysfunctional and highly under the influence period of his dysfunctional life vainly exposing the dysfunctionality of living under the dysfunctional minarets in a dysfunctional country occupied by a dysfunctional army-mullah conundrum over a dysfunctional bleeting populace:)
cc: wow, what does that mean?
t:ask H
cc: he loves him
t: that is why u should ask him:)
#3 Posted by sajal on May 12, 2005 11:51:56 am
I dont understand the hidden meaning ( I am sure there is one) behind this article. Ok, fine it is a family with a lot of issues but I fail to get the point between the obsession with penis and then wanting to marry the sweeper. If the brother thinks he is female then what harm is he casuing the family that they lash out and kill him in such a gruesome manner.
sister obsessed with male genitalia secretly wishing she was a male or just obsessed as a sex crazed female?
brother is atleast trying to live his fantasy by pretending he is a woman.
father believing there is nothing wrong with daughter but son is the root of all problems.
By killing the brother do they expect to restore peace within themselves?
utter garbage!!!
sister obsessed with male genitalia secretly wishing she was a male or just obsessed as a sex crazed female?
brother is atleast trying to live his fantasy by pretending he is a woman.
father believing there is nothing wrong with daughter but son is the root of all problems.
By killing the brother do they expect to restore peace within themselves?
utter garbage!!!
#2 Posted by wanderer on May 12, 2005 11:28:57 am
Based on your writing there is hope for us all yet.
Makes one wonder about all the submissions that Chowk editors actually reject.
Makes one wonder about all the submissions that Chowk editors actually reject.
#1 Posted by Moti on May 12, 2005 10:46:07 am
Hello!
And what is the point of this article? I mean I come from a dysfunctional Pakistani family. More or less we all do. People should write as writing is good.
But this tale did not even match any western standards. The writer wants readers to see that women are offended by what few fanatics are doing out there. Male chauvinism is as bad as feminism.
Use of profanities so that you can fit in? I am not so sure.
That is, if that was the only objective. I am not sure if writer was just writing what happened or making up a fantasy more tilled towards Frued’s theory of Phallic-Oedipal Phase.
Seem like writer or the main character is stuck between 3-6 years. When kids are exhibitionist and possessive, as obvious from vulgar language used.
Hostility to wards same sex parent exists, as one can see that mom is gone to mental institution because “SHE WAS NAÏVE ENOUGH TO NOT TO READ TO WRIETERS TASTES”. So the poor woman is now psychotic at age 55. This also proves jealousy towards same sex parent to compete for attention of opposite sex parent.
And poor brother, Just because he had an extra “Y” chromosome (Which resulted in enlargement of certain prototype areas of his body during 8 week of development), had to die.
So really hate ret was to too much prevailing but not just talk that how other people hate “ Sinf-e-Nazuk” ( Female Gender) but just personal hate ret of an toddler mind set who did not grow properly.
Sorry! Mr. Paracha. Either you don’t know a female mind or you are a twisted female.
And what is the point of this article? I mean I come from a dysfunctional Pakistani family. More or less we all do. People should write as writing is good.
But this tale did not even match any western standards. The writer wants readers to see that women are offended by what few fanatics are doing out there. Male chauvinism is as bad as feminism.
Use of profanities so that you can fit in? I am not so sure.
That is, if that was the only objective. I am not sure if writer was just writing what happened or making up a fantasy more tilled towards Frued’s theory of Phallic-Oedipal Phase.
Seem like writer or the main character is stuck between 3-6 years. When kids are exhibitionist and possessive, as obvious from vulgar language used.
Hostility to wards same sex parent exists, as one can see that mom is gone to mental institution because “SHE WAS NAÏVE ENOUGH TO NOT TO READ TO WRIETERS TASTES”. So the poor woman is now psychotic at age 55. This also proves jealousy towards same sex parent to compete for attention of opposite sex parent.
And poor brother, Just because he had an extra “Y” chromosome (Which resulted in enlargement of certain prototype areas of his body during 8 week of development), had to die.
So really hate ret was to too much prevailing but not just talk that how other people hate “ Sinf-e-Nazuk” ( Female Gender) but just personal hate ret of an toddler mind set who did not grow properly.
Sorry! Mr. Paracha. Either you don’t know a female mind or you are a twisted female.
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