America’s Frankenstein Monsters

biggest liability for the MK is that they sought help from Saddam Hussein`s Iraq when Iran and Iraq were involved in a life and death struggle.

hamidm2:

``..LaatoaN kay Bhooth....``

Yeah you can say that again bro`. Nothing was possible before that great kick in the US arse from which it is still smarting.


O the service you provide!

How else would have I even known that this brilliant young man is even alive. Shukrun v mabrook yaa akhee-in-arms.

and so I read the BBC interview--Great!

Now just as is happening in Iraq, as if under a divine plan, it is the US which will end up helping form a mullah-based government. Pakistan is obviously next!

Halakoo Khan, unknowingly, did the same!

The jigsaw puzzle, where the westernised jig is up , and is being so speedily being wrapped up in body bags. Now such a bargain struck by the bastions of capitalism?

Indeed Allah works in mysterious ways.



`` Neel kay sahil say laykar--`` How prophetic of ALLAMA Iqbal.``

........latoon kay bhoot baton say nahin mantay !............. the cave dwellers are beginning to see the light after a kick in the shalwar !

one of the bhoots







``The former foreign minister in Afghanistan`s Taleban regime has said he wants to stand for parliament in September`s national elections.

Mr Mutawakil is the only major Taleban figure to have been arrested by the Americans and then released. He was held for three years, first by the Americans and then under house arrest in Kabul.

Last week he gave the BBC his first interview with Western media since his release.

He was unapologetic about many aspects of Taleban rule, although he did admit that Osama Bin Laden and his followers had brought suffering to the country.

Mr Mutawakil also said he now approved of girls` education, so long as it was in keeping with Afghan culture. ``

............ four more years for bush !

The following was blackened-out in that report to the investigative committee:


`` And all the time I thought my drinking buddy
Hamidm2 & my good-for-nothing
buddy tahmed32 were harmless,
dyed-in-the Ba Ba-Blacksheep-wool anti-muslims.
How could I have guessed that these guys
were neither with us, nor with them,
nor with their father mothers.
One just wanted free-beer and the other would
whimper & wiggle just by a distant hug``

``What an act, I say, what an act they put on; they made even me look like an arse!``

Dubya the Farting President


With Apologies to the Authors of

Walter, the Farting Dog

bush wins - again !

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ntsyed,

this is what this is all about ........... you loose - again!

Re: # 215

hamidm...loose (sic) what? I was talking to tahmed and Compaqted HP about some other things. Both of them withered away and you slap this pic on here. Is there something in the pic I`m supposed to have never seen before?

BTW, read Dusk board for the latest posts...lol

Another one of America`s Monsters, as described by Craig Murray - recently exed British ambassador to Uzbekistan (2002 to 2004) for his whistleblowing. Details at the link below:

``The western news agenda has moved the dead of Andijan from the ``democrat`` to the ``terrorist`` pile. Karimov remains in power. The White House will be happy. That`s enough for No 10.`` -- Craig Murray

Anil/DM: I would rank the factors affecting civilization and its definition in the following order of importance:

1. Geography: This was historically the defining factor. And I think it still remains. Since, my guess is that 70-90% of the world`s population probably still has not sat in an airplane, or crossed outside the borders of their country...........Geography is related to a human being`s physical survival, which comes first in nature.......while culture, religion etc. is related to spiritual survival, which usually comes second.......

2. Language: This is the second most important factor. Language is the strongest bond between people. After getting the physical survival solved, people need to communicate with each other...........Hence the easiest way to define a civilization is to look at geographically contiguous areas, which speak the same language........That, in a nutshell is a civilization.........Invariably, they will have certain unique geographic features, which caused the birth of the language.......creating a language takes centuries.........it is more difficult to spread a language than it is to spread a religion or a culture............

3. Culture: This includes socially acceptable customs, music, dress code, entertainment etc......this develops after people living in the same area due to geographic reasons, give rise to a language. And then they communicate and set up social customs.......

4. Relgion: Religion does not impact geography or language. But it has a direct affect on culture. Two similar cultures with different religions, will slowly start evolving into different cultures........

5. National boundaries: This has a slow affect. National boundaries restrict interaction between cultures across the border, and accelerate interaction between different cultures within their borders. Thereby changing the culture, and even languages (as is the case of Urdu starting to replace and/or morph other local civilizational languages in Pakistan).........

Romair, Tahmed, Dost-Mitter:

I think civilization is identified to the lowest common denominator of social factors among the people who identify themselves. In early civilization, it was river, as water was crucial factor to sustain civilization. This led to agricultural (civilization), to industrial civilization, and probably now it is moving to Internet civilization.

Anil

tahmed32:

Your point is valid. With globalisation, hollywood/bollywood, McDonald`s and KFCs, etc., there will be more common strands in various civilizations, but uniqueness will remain. For example, I read that 80% of the McDonald menu in India is Indian - things like McAloo and McTikki and different from their American menus.

As for Sufi Islam, I have not yet read Rumi but I think that there is a uniqueness to Indian sufi-ism, which has certain kinship with the Bhakti movement. To a Hindu, there is not much difference in the composition of Amir Khusro, Kabir, Guru Nanak or Nam Dev. To a Muslim purist, however, it is playing dangerously with shirk, an unforgivable sin.

Ref shishapa #202

[May be when you are Hindu you always belong to Ganges civilzation and if you are Muslim, you are always belong to Indus civilization.
May be when you are a Pakistani muslim who has nothing better to do, you start thinking in terms of Indus versus Ganges civilization!]

ALL Pakistanis consider themselves to be descendants of some civilization (?) on the banks of a dry wadi in Arabia.

dost mittar #201 good to see you on this miserable board. :-)

To add my 50 paisa (used to be one paisa, but inflation has taken its toll) to the discussion:

Despite the tremendous damage it did by misleading nations into communism in the 20th century, there is a kernel of truth in the marxist theory of economics: that is, that political, cultural, social mores (things that generally are considered to add up to a ``civilization``) are determined by the economic mode of production. Thus, an agricultural society tends to have a feudal superstructure, an industrial society tends to have a capitalist superstructure.

Thus: the vast changes in the economic mode of production of the 20th century have now given rise to the global economy of the 21st century - and in turn a common global civilization is emerging. You note how south india and north india are picking up common tastes in saris - but you should also note that this convergence goes beyond india, and is global in dimension. Thus, what used to be considered the ``western dress`` (pant, shirt) is becoming popular at least as fast as saris in north india.

On my being a moderate muslim: please dont use labels (even if well meant). Being a muslim is not a disease that you get in moderation or in extreme forms. I just consider myself a muslim who looks to the Quran for guidance, rather than towards other men who claim to be closer to God than ordinary mortals.

On sufi islam: while considered acceptable by many hindus it seems, sufism has in fact been prevalent in the middle east for centuries. Perhaps the most well known and loved sufi of all - Rumi - was from the middle east and founder of the sufi school subscribed to be the ``whirling dervishes`` of Turkey. I love the writings of Rumi (who would no doubt have been hounded by the maulvis today). I disagree with the sufi concept of seeking union with God in this life - as a muslim, my belief is that it is after we cannot meet or glimpse God during the period of our earthly existence. I also consider sufism to be a detachment from the concerns of this world, when in fact man was created to understand this world. But this disagreement does not mean that I disdain sufism in the same manner that I disdain lies, hypocrisy, greed, violence (except in pure self defense as accepted by laws in all civilized countries). The Quran teaches us to respect all faiths (including hinduism, judaism, christianity, and so forth), and to live in peace and affection with people of all faiths (or lack thereof). The fact that these teachings fall on deaf ears of many muslims does not mean that these teachings do not exist, or that I as a muslim should not live by these teachings.

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This is good stuff to counter US-terrorism.[America`s Dr.Frankenstein]


Good examples of BLACK Humour ( Black-- not as in negro)


Wrapped in the Flag:
Some People like to wrap themselves in the flag...
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The National Anthem Like you have never heard it!

Critics Ask ``Why do these guys hate America?``
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#195,196 and many more!

I knew I would knock the cover off. Now your spaghetti is showing.
Not a big deal! The ``ward`` already has many of your friends like Echoboom, Alephnull, Sadna, Jay already there.