The Long Shadows of Hindu Kush

Khamkwha:51
chiriphatikijai...the ancient name of india...

chiriphatikijai..? Can you please give the source of your un-jahil scholarship. Knowing you I suspect this is some kind of your classic Bi-Jamaalo antics. Maybe not. I must admit you sometimes out-boom the boomboom himself.

Care to translate it into everyday english ..with pronunciation?

Nazar Khan - this was a truly interesting article to read. The Hindu Kush is an area the British and the colonials wrote about a great deal perhaps because it was where the British suffered a defeat at the hands of the locals. It`s always seemed a place of great romance and adventure and that is probably due to the books that kind of slip over the fact that all that romance and adventure were based on great tragedy. Post Independence, its hard to come across any books set in the area unless they are political commentaries.
Unfortunately, yes - it does look like an interesting century ahead.
Thanks for the write up.

Re: # 54
Khammy got it slightly wrong. As per the periodical Saamna which is a Mumbai publication that conducts research into ancient India [it used to be funded at various times by the Maharashtra govt and the GoI but it depends on who is in power because of some of their more radical theories and opeds] I understand the earliest naem of India is Chinchpoklikijai. Hope this helps.

Re: # 58

``As per the periodical Saamna which is a Mumbai publication that conducts research into ancient India [it used to be funded at various times by the Maharashtra govt and the GoI but it depends on who is in power because of some of their more radical theories and opeds``

Is this Saamna different than the Shiv Sena daily?

I have heard another interpretation of the name Hindukush. Hind + Kavkaz or Caucasus the mountains Turks were most familiar with. Maybe some of you could shed some light on this.

...abay jahilo...
the real name of this particular mountain range was... Hindu Khush...meaning happy hindu...it has been corrupted to Hindu Kush by the jahil angraiz rulers of the yesteryears who missed one H while drunk...ask boomboom...he will confirm that angraiz were the source of all evil in chiriphatikijai...the ancient name of india...

Re # 48

``Don`t you think if there was another name for it , it would be known to us? ``

``I am curious to know the `original` (earliest memory) name of this mountain range.``

echoboom,

Yes, you are right. From what I have read, I have never come across an earlier name
for this mountain range. Perhaps it was all Himalay (Himalay, Karakoram, Hindukush).

echooboom # 48

The only big problem that Hindu Kush poses for invaders is its difficult terrain.

The Russians had a perfect solution for the difficult terrain - Helicopter.

They lost out because the Mujahideen were given an anti-dote of Helicopter by Americans - shoulder mounted heat seeking Stinger missile.

This one FACTOR was responsible for defeat of the Soviets.

nhk

Shipsha:46

No need to be so maudlin & so sentimental over this. Don`t you think if there was another name for it , it would be known to us? Nobody NAMED rivers or mountains in an ownership/patented/`I-discovered` kind of way which is the method of the vulgar, low class western thUGGs...like Everest:.... Oh Now that is where we can make a start. Bring back the name which was there before the bufoon ``conquered`` it-( Kailaash? as Kaleedaas wrote)-was that not taught in the Radiant-Reader?--the Ba Ba Blacksheep course(which were the seepaaraas of tahmed32. Hee must be a Hafiz-e-Radiant-Reader, bobbing on Miss Muffet`s Tuffet while memorising the stuff.

Hind does not refer to a religion here. It simply means that anyone trying to cross these treacherous mountains would not survive because these mountains kill those who arrive from Hind. Why? because even today the ones from the hot climes of the plains do not like to face the cold of even Rawalpindi or Quetta or even Lahore ( just ask even the `hinduised` muhajirs from Karachi). Just imagine when there were no facilities. Even Britto`s couldn`t & the Ugly Americans are now tasting the icecandy. Russia has been `blessed` by these immense cold frontiers on its west south and eastern borders and that is why she was able to fend off Napolean & Hitler. Their stupidity in the Afghan war was that instead of drawing back, they engaged. What they did not know ( jaahil kee aulaad) that these rugged mountain men do can manage without propper even in the severest of winters. A reading of the Aaeen-e-Changaizee or the tuzuks of the Mughals PLUS the grand muslim literature on this would have made them somewhat learned. But everyone reads the west-point & sandhurst-stuff now. From whence can come the whiff of wisdom now?

I am curious to know the `original` (earliest memory) name of this mountain range. I hope nobody ever got offended by Nanga Parbat: Khalis `hindi` name to bring shame to those who live in, what is now ,Pakistan.

I wonder why some people want to change the name of mountain range ?

Infact, it serves as a reminder of history. One should not forget history, lest it
be repeated again.
One should forgive - but never forget.

I wonder how muslims in general and Pakistanis would be feeling/reacting had there been a
city in say Maharashtra called IslamNashpur (where say ShaistaKhan ran away after his fingers got chopped along with his army) or say there was a river in
Rajasthan called IslamNashini!

Would likes of echoboom be calling such a ``good name``? I would not.

Re: # 46

I agree, this thing about killer of hindu is actually a communal slur/abuse...........I hope the authorities in Pakistan do some thing to remove such references to communal or religious carnages of the dark ages!!

kabuliwallah #41

{{Babur and Abdali were both invited by Indians to settle petty rivalries}}

Ahmed Shah Abdali was invited to invade India by a certain Shah Waliullah Dehlavi. That man was an Islamic fanatic enraged by the decline of Islamicate power in India and by the likelihood of Muslims becoming indistinguishable from non-Muslims under a non-Islamic dispensation.

That does not sound like a petty rivalry to me – it is a complaint that has been voiced at regular intervals over the next two and a half centuries, by an assortment of characters, some of them Westernised in varying degrees, even while the long-term decline of Islamicate power and Persianate cultural influence continues unchecked.

Singularity:43
Hindu-kush is a good name . It is always a good reminder . Otherwise children will not ask why the name.

Well, nowadays the enemy comes by air and mountains are no barriers. If at all a name change is necessary it should be farangi_kush because the ugly Brittos suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the brave & chivalrous afghans...only one was sent back alive to narrate the story. (Muslim children`s eyes become starry-eyed & bright when this in narrated in class).
I`ll give-up the trademark rights for free & in the interest of BOTH countries.

It is a good name because no one can ever deny that the common enemy in the freedom-struggle for all Indians (pre-1947) were the British Baboons. This is a name which all would agree.

Hi Chowk members:

How many here will vote for a PROPOSAL to change the name of HinduKush mountain range to something like ``Aman`` or ``Shanthi`` mountain range to drive home a message of peace.

Having a name full of barbaric connotation like ``HinduKush`` or ``Kill the Hindus`` only helps the MUSLIM MINDSET of average mullahs to keep the kill the kafir hindus deep in their psyche. If Muslims want to get out of the mullah grip they need to do everythin that erodes the psychological power the mullahs hold over the muslims.

Changing the name of this BLOODY mountain range will make a quantum leap in muslim civilization ethos.

So let us say, if we take a VOTE, I am sure all Indian-hindus(except the self-loathing PseudoSec variety) will say YES to name change. But the key element is to see how many MUSLIMS, especially PAKISTAN muslims who has the honesty and guts to accept this honest request.

Kabuliwallah:41

Indians who would invite outsiders to invade and topple a rival...Babur and Abdali were both invited by Indians to settle petty rivalries...Ghaznavi and Ghori both had Indian (so much for Rajput chivalry) allies. Entire Indian history is a story of betrayal and treason.

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Thanks for this insight which unfortunately has become a very deliberate & conscious oversight for the Haraamzaadays & Ghulaamzaadays even today.

The maader-ate & lunlightened U-turn trapeze artist of Pakistan is the latest case in point.

What is the point in learning such history when we are determined to add more to such history?

Until & unless we do learn to zaleel & humiliate the US, Brittos, & othe colonialists, we won`t go anywhere. This we must do at the `peril` of being without their AIDs, of being poor but proud, of going to higher education in ``kick-a-farangi-today`` curriculam from China, Iran, Malaysia, North Korea ( South Korea is a pimp & prostitute like Pakistan: money in bank/ but conscience & honour in gutter) and so many other proud nations. These nations are deliberately ostracised from our own media when they humiliate the thUGGs in public.

re: Amit # 31

``However, I have never heard of any South Asian ruler providing any kind of defence to these passes. Even invaders who came via these passes forgot about their own arrival, until the next wave of invaders came in to subjugate them!! ``

I believe Gupta kings and Allaudin Khilji built a series of forts on their frontiers to defend themselves from the Huns...much the same reason Great Wall of China was built...The problem, I believe, was not lack of defences...but rather a lack of unity among Indians...more often than not it was Indians who would invite outsiders to invade and topple a rival...Babur and Abdali were both invited by Indians to settle petty rivalries...Ghaznavi and Ghori both had Indian (so much for Rajput chivalry) allies. Entire Indian history is a story of betrayal and treason.

regards,

Kabuli