Dusk

Re: # 82

You decontextualise everything to suit your narrow minded intent! I was not explaining the meaning of pedantry (and try and spell it properly!) to tahmed32, but merely refering to examples of it: your crass responses.

You really have a lot of issues. Stop overcompensating and villifying. It makes you look the smaller man. You did not respond to the substance of my last post to you, but tried to get in a cheap shot. Seriously, you`re like an Iraqi scud: noisy and off target.

So here`s me giving you a clue. Get a dictionary. Look up the world personable. Then look up the word magnanimous. Understand them. Embrace their meaning. Only then come back to chowk. Oh and read this too: http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00005040&channel=chaathouse

tahmed32

Re# 71

Pedantry: simply the needlessly personal and offensive name calling. I admit I took such umbrage I myself engaged in it somewhat.

amrita

Re# 75

Just to be clear. I have been a member for more than two years and am no one`s alter ego. I`ve enough personalities of my own to keep me busy.


hamidm2

Re# 73

Pls refer to above answer to Amrita. I can understand that Ozer`s style is not for everyone, but if you had expressed yourself with the tact and grace that Amrita did, your point would have reverberated. ``Lets all try and get along``.

hamidm # 78

...no such luck!...

tho baskin-robbins can make a replica hat with chocolate-buttered-almond ice cream...it is kinda fragile and small...you will have to gulp it quickly...

..and god forbid...if such an occasion arrives...can i plead with you to spare the crow?...oos baicharay ka kya qusoor?

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crows and hats .......

........okay, if someone can prove to me that ozer`s fan club is more than one person or, as temporal would have it, one person and a dog, then i will eat my hat ......... actually, since i don`t own a hat, i will go out, buy one and then eat it !!! ............. better yet, i will put a crow in the hat and eat it !

#75:

Amrita Only

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This article and the responses to it remind me of the legendary writer of chowk unplugged ``Salim Chauhan``

Ozer - I am one of those people who liked your effort. Isnt it brave of me to turn up? :) I thought it had great rhythm, flowed well and had a certain novelty to it - I dont see too many prose poems on this site. Your appetite for language was also very apparent and you definitely have a voice.

However, I also feel there is some truth in what Hamidm is pointing out in his own inimitable style: you depend too much on metaphor. Some of it is well done, but there are spaces where you appear to have fallen in love with the voice or caught up too much in the excitement of the work to pay attention.

As for Beej`s [and Hamidm`s] observations - mea culpa, I felt that too. When five or six people show up on the same day and use the same style and same voice to express their extremely similar points on the same article, you can only murmur ``coincidence`` thus far and no further. If I am wrong, I beg your pardon.

Hope to see more of you however - you certainly exercise an enlivening effect!

Re: # 75

Amrita

You type:

``I am one of those people who liked your effort. Isnt it brave of me to turn up? :)

Given the ``toothless`` predators here you are a valiant crusader indeed LOL !!

``I thought it had great rhythm, flowed well and had a certain novelty to it - I dont see too many prose poems on this site. Your appetite for language was also very apparent and you definitely have a voice``.

Amrita, what enamours me about prose is that it allows freelance kindred spirits to unleash, uninhibited, uncensored deep-seated emotions/anger/passion/apathy through the prism of a lingua franca: I do concur with you that language often devours us in our own trappings yet it is all we can rely on. If only I could truly pin down into words what ravages my heart....

You observe `` you depend too much on metaphor. Some of it is well done, but there are spaces where you appear to have fallen in love with the voice or caught up too much in the excitement of the work to pay attention``

Amrita, if you get the chance look up Umberto Eco`s ``The Name of the Rose`` and how Eco depicts language as a trapping and cultural confinement.

Gracias for your post. At least your observations/critique were of an enlighteningly well educated genre.

#70:

since you are active here...a reminder for you from the other board:

#47 by temporal on May 13, 2005 3:53pm PT
#44:

...now, you answer the query that hamid mir asked osama ...with the ayah number, please...then we will talk more....

Re: # 74

temporarily temporal...

read the response on the same board! Feel free to cut/paste across the boards, but do it with both of our posts if you have a shred fairness (although I doubt it).

miriamk ???

........ just how many identities does this guy have ?............ reminds me of mystique in the x-men ...............

``It made an impression akin to the first time I read Ginsberg`s ``Howl``.````


............ jesusfchrist !

Re: # 72

hamidm.....

Ummm...no, I`m not Ozer`s alter ego; at least not the last time I checked. Just a lowly grad. student who needed a break studying from finals and via some uncanny yahoo labyrinth landed on Chowk.

I just read your threads regarding the piece....goodness those are some strong opinions. I`m afraid I don`t know enough about Chowk (i.e. whether Chowk has serious literary merit or if it`s simply an avenue for aspiring writers to share their work) to offer an opinion.

And regarding my Ginsberg comment I wasn`t comparing Ozer`s writing to ``Howl``. I would truly have to be benighted to do that. I just meant it elicited a similar feeling. The first time I read ``Howl`` I felt uneasy, disturbed, etc.

sul: Indeed it is a pleasure to have new authors - and posters - on chowk. But what exactly is this pedentry that you refer to? Would you be so good as to cut and paste what you are referring to??

Re # 67.

tahmed32.

How you can suggest that savage unwarranted personal attacks are light hearted is beyond me. hamidm2`s comments weren`t banter, they were simply rude. I`m all for expressing views, but hamidm2 was deliberately offensive.

But we all digress. Lets talk about the article or generally welcome a new author to our midst rather than become embroiled in such pedantry.

Ozer,

What a haunting piece....what must have been your muse....

It made an impression akin to the first time I read Ginsberg`s ``Howl``.

I know you mentioned a dislike for pigeon-holing and I certainly don`t mean to travel that route but I immediately classified what you had written as a poem written in free verse. Perhaps I have erred as people have referred to it as an article of sorts.

sul: hamidm has a right to express his views regarding this piece, and he has done so in a light-hearted manner. there is nothing rancid in what he has written. i think you need to lighten up a bit yourself.