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# 55 Ozer

`` Be sure when I log on next time

I will reward you with a present you least expected monsieur.

A present you have never ever received before. ````

Please do that in a language us mere mortals can understand!

hamidm2

I’ve been a member of this community for over 2 ½ years but interact rarely, precisely because of such unsolicited, petulant and distasteful vitriol as yours. The callous cynicism, opportunistic irreverence and impertinence you employ needs to be addressed for what it is.

Your addition to the interacts on this piece, if not the forum generally is wholly unwelcome to all apart from those that share your lack of courtesy and consideration for other members.

At no time have you demonstrated the slightest desire to understand or maturely debate this piece; the remarkable hostility in your interacts ill befits a forum such as this. The whole point of Chowk is to encourage debate and discussion not to flex metaphoric or literally muscle to insult.

You mentioned in one of your innumerable replies “gonads”. Clearly someone is missing a pair. Or acting strangely feline and demarcating territory. I must admit though that for all your posturing I did agree with one thing : “maybe i am a fool who wasted all those years in college ...” And all the years since….

Oh and since you threatened to boycott Chowk for 48 hours if the piece wasn’t removed from the front page, show some spine and remove your rancid odour from our presence please!

sul: hamidm has a right to express his views regarding this piece, and he has done so in a light-hearted manner. there is nothing rancid in what he has written. i think you need to lighten up a bit yourself.

Ozer,

What a haunting piece....what must have been your muse....

It made an impression akin to the first time I read Ginsberg`s ``Howl``.

I know you mentioned a dislike for pigeon-holing and I certainly don`t mean to travel that route but I immediately classified what you had written as a poem written in free verse. Perhaps I have erred as people have referred to it as an article of sorts.

Re # 67.

tahmed32.

How you can suggest that savage unwarranted personal attacks are light hearted is beyond me. hamidm2`s comments weren`t banter, they were simply rude. I`m all for expressing views, but hamidm2 was deliberately offensive.

But we all digress. Lets talk about the article or generally welcome a new author to our midst rather than become embroiled in such pedantry.

Re: # 24

moazammudasar,

1. Terrorism: loonie Bins hiding in caves. Using unnessesary violence/force against innocent civilians to further their own cause. Any network/organization seeking to use pressure-tactics to justify ideological/religious/political ends.

Then what are IRA, Juan Carlos, ETA/Basque, D Koresh, Tim McVeigh?

While you contend that any ``network/organization`` that uses ``pressure tactics to justify ideological/religious/political ends`` is terrorist, do you think Governments - namely US, European, Eastern European, Australian, Pakistani, Indian, Eastern Pacific countries, MENA, or any - have the right to do the same without being labelled terrorists? If not, then why does it happen there and what should be done about it? If yes, then why shouldn`t they be labelled as terrorists too?

2. Madrassas: breeding grounds for terrorists.

Do the operatives of the aforementioned groups and the soldiers of the aforementioned governments go to madrassas too? Then how could they be so unbalanced and callous in use of force?

3. Modernity: globalisation. capitalism. internet age.

Dear boy, do you even comprehend the terms you`ve listed? lol

Please don`t answer with questions.....let`s see how well you can educate us.

tahmed, hamidm2, HP, temporal... congratulations on addition to your dwindling family of headline-fed and buzz-word fueled ignoramuses.

Another case of ``tankiyan bhernay lageen to tootiyan behnay lageen`` lol :-)~~

sul: Indeed it is a pleasure to have new authors - and posters - on chowk. But what exactly is this pedentry that you refer to? Would you be so good as to cut and paste what you are referring to??

miriamk ???

........ just how many identities does this guy have ?............ reminds me of mystique in the x-men ...............

``It made an impression akin to the first time I read Ginsberg`s ``Howl``.````


............ jesusfchrist !

Re: # 66

sul (?),

``Your addition to the interacts on this piece, if not the forum generally is wholly unwelcome to all apart from those that share your lack of courtesy and consideration for other members. ``

......... i am deeply hurt, but i have a job to do - someone has to stand up to charlatans, pretenders, con men, fakers, imposters, rogues and knaves or else we will be buried in flimflam...........

........... i think ozer`s fan club needs to get together (and that should be easy ! ) and do serous some soul searching .............

......... now, i have to go back on strike since the chowk staff is not paying any attention to my very reasonable request .......

#70:

since you are active here...a reminder for you from the other board:

#47 by temporal on May 13, 2005 3:53pm PT
#44:

...now, you answer the query that hamid mir asked osama ...with the ayah number, please...then we will talk more....

Ozer - I am one of those people who liked your effort. Isnt it brave of me to turn up? :) I thought it had great rhythm, flowed well and had a certain novelty to it - I dont see too many prose poems on this site. Your appetite for language was also very apparent and you definitely have a voice.

However, I also feel there is some truth in what Hamidm is pointing out in his own inimitable style: you depend too much on metaphor. Some of it is well done, but there are spaces where you appear to have fallen in love with the voice or caught up too much in the excitement of the work to pay attention.

As for Beej`s [and Hamidm`s] observations - mea culpa, I felt that too. When five or six people show up on the same day and use the same style and same voice to express their extremely similar points on the same article, you can only murmur ``coincidence`` thus far and no further. If I am wrong, I beg your pardon.

Hope to see more of you however - you certainly exercise an enlivening effect!

This article and the responses to it remind me of the legendary writer of chowk unplugged ``Salim Chauhan``

#75:

Amrita Only

lve

t

crows and hats .......

........okay, if someone can prove to me that ozer`s fan club is more than one person or, as temporal would have it, one person and a dog, then i will eat my hat ......... actually, since i don`t own a hat, i will go out, buy one and then eat it !!! ............. better yet, i will put a crow in the hat and eat it !

hamidm # 78

...no such luck!...

tho baskin-robbins can make a replica hat with chocolate-buttered-almond ice cream...it is kinda fragile and small...you will have to gulp it quickly...

..and god forbid...if such an occasion arrives...can i plead with you to spare the crow?...oos baicharay ka kya qusoor?

t

Re: # 72

hamidm.....

Ummm...no, I`m not Ozer`s alter ego; at least not the last time I checked. Just a lowly grad. student who needed a break studying from finals and via some uncanny yahoo labyrinth landed on Chowk.

I just read your threads regarding the piece....goodness those are some strong opinions. I`m afraid I don`t know enough about Chowk (i.e. whether Chowk has serious literary merit or if it`s simply an avenue for aspiring writers to share their work) to offer an opinion.

And regarding my Ginsberg comment I wasn`t comparing Ozer`s writing to ``Howl``. I would truly have to be benighted to do that. I just meant it elicited a similar feeling. The first time I read ``Howl`` I felt uneasy, disturbed, etc.