Adultery Anonymous

Naqsh,

... but what if there aren’t enough concubines to go around? Should the ummah keep waging wars to ensure a constant supply of infidel virgins? Would it be alright if the US marines take Iraqi women as their concubines?? Dude … don’t be so quick to justify this lopsided view of yours.

POWs too deserve to be treated with dignity. Islam teaches us that POWs should be fed first, and then the muslim army can have their meal. How do you start from here, and end up with turning POWs into concubines?

Protecting your sisters while violating infidel women … is hypocrisy. Views of your ullema are scary ... god only knows what they would do to minorities if given a chance.

Very well Naqsh (re #34) …

… this concubine thing ``allowed in Islam`` is ok for you. But when applied to your sisters, it becomes offensive … what gives? How can an Islamic practice be offensive? Don’t be surprised if your local imam has hots for your sisters … and can quote ahadith suggesting he should be indulged.

And what important social function did concubines perform? Granted, the institution has existed all along … but so has homosexuality, pedophilia, and wine consumption. And prostitute is just another name for a concubine ... so what’s the hang up?

Re: # 64

ignoramus, it is not permissible in islam to enslave free muslim women and men...only non-muslim captives of war could be made concubines or those already born into slavery...

Re:HP#62

You wrote,``I can’t believe people here are soooo not into adultery.``

Sirjee, I live in New Jersey. Besides losing my wife and 5 year old son, I will lose 50% of everything that I have in alimony and child support payments. So let me see, I lose half my assets and my family not to mention my mental peace, all for a roll in the hay with some floozy who probably whores around anyway? No, thanks !!

Re: # 63
Thank your stars you live in New Jersey. You r just fretting over losing on alimony. Here they take take your genitalia out.

Sounds like many people haven’t been blessed with the adultery bliss here!
I can’t believe people here are soooo not into adultery.

How many marriages in South Asia are based on courtship first?
The whole system is based on forced love because woman is molested the first night and she falls in love with the molester and remains so until he finds another one i.e. if he can really find one all by himself.

Yeah right! most south Asian men are debauched!

Most men are just talk some go out once in a while if they can afford it. It is not a real issue. Just some inspired by stories from the west think that their men are committing adultery, when the truth is most subcontinent men commit adultery in their heads only.
Basically FV in the whole article appears totally confused. Which society is she talking about? South Asian or the West!

“The Other Woman is a floozy. The Other Man is a slimeball”

Floozy right! but I have never heard of the other man called a slimeball at least not the first time. If it becomes a recurring theme than and only than a woman tends to think that may be she is married to a slimeball!
Cheating is so confusing that some actually call it an affair. There is no floozy or slimeball in an affair. The problem is when one in the relationship really starts to sleep around

“Each couple wants a formula that works. Most go through this status quo even when it does not suit them. Some try and look for alternatives. It is not always to demean the partner.”

Does this describe Indian/Pak society where 95% are just happy to be married?

No couple looks for a formula that’s lots of garbage. Excuse me Ms.Versey. Nobody in any marriage “wants” any formula because there is none. There are some well defined acceptable and unacceptable behaviors and all successful marriages stay with in those boundaries. Then there are some that fall through the cracks.

For some ladies looking at Playboy would be cheating, for some going to a porn site is cheating and then there are porn sites where both husband and wife participate. Swinging is not an alien concept in redneck culture. There really is no formula! People live by what they feel comfortable with.
There is no definition of adultery. Yeah! You can find one in dictionary but does that really define it? Is going to massage parlor, adultery? Is paying for the sex, adultery? Is one night stand, adultery? Having long term relationship outside of an existing relationship is an affair and not adultery!


#49 by teshah

Shah Sahib talking about “Cloacae kiss”. No I haven’t seen one. Never followed “Kabooters” but “kabootris” like Neeki aur pooch pooch!
Magar! ub kehan rehain woh baatien!

Marriage - what an institution! One half of my being says one thing, the other quite the opposite.

Saj #59 This ``midde aged man`` disease you point to is unfortunately not restricted to Saudis only. The other day a middle aged Pakistani told me (supposedly as a joke) that he is thinking of getting a 20 year old wife from Pakistan!! This from a man who has always been unfailingly polite, has children, and is a highly qualified professional who has spent his life advising national governments across the world. I asked him (in the same joking manner), if his wife and grown up children were planning to attend the wedding.

Of course, in Saudi Arabia this disease is legitamized. The religious sanction they claim is only a pretext. I used to go to Africa on work, and this disease is widespread there as well among people of all religions - as a man improves his lot in life, he gets more and more wives and ``girlfriends`` (one reason why HIV has had such a damaging affect in Africa, since the many top professionals, government ministers and all were wiped out by Aids).

Re 56: Tahmed..thanx....that is but the tip of the iceberg sir. I have grown here in Saudi, and know quite of quite few local families here where the husband has more than one wife. In almost every situation the second sometimes third wife was taken after the husband hits his 50s...first wife normally by then in early 40s. The new wife often being some poor 20-30 yr old....the reasons are so straightforward that I dont need to point them out here. The justifications though that I have heard...especially from the mullah variety..tend to go on the line that men are inherently more horny...polygamy provides a great method to solve this ``problem`` without the ``rampant adultry....blah blah`` found in the West...it provides a ``caretaking`` solution for ``poor..uncared for`` single women...etc etc....incredible how the innate quite perverse reason is twisted around these latter ``justifications``.....what to do I guess...its socially accepted here...less and less though by the educated females..

Saj #48 Thanks. I too was surprised at the primitive society in saudi arabia: I was invited to dinner by a bengali family in jeddah. The man told me how there was a saudi man living in the same apartment building, who maintained two separate apartments on the same floor, one for each of his two wives. When he quarrelled with one wife, he would go to the other wife. Then he would quarrel with her. Only in Saudi Arabia!! :-)

ntsyed #52 your post is an example of the primitive maulvi mindset, that is:

1. It seeks to defend a primitive custom that has no place in today`s society;
2. It includes filthy insults directed towards family members;
3. Trying to cloak your primitive mindset by proclaiming yourself to be a learned man.

Your mindset is the product of growing up in some filthy gulli. I shall not fall to your level, however. Nor will I waste more time with you demonstrating the weakness of your ``logic``, nor how your ``logic`` applies to you as much as it does to me or any other person. And no doubt you will respond with more filth, reflecting the kind of household you were raised in. So last post to you.

Re: # 55

Oops...I`m sorry tahmed. I didn`t know I stepped on your tail. I hope it didn`t hurt too much, although it looks pretty bad from here.

I know it`s difficult for you to have your own foot stuffed in your mouth, especially if it comes from behind and over your shoulders, and you had bit your tongue just before that.

When you do take a breather from devouring your foot and licking your tail with your cut up tongue, please do point out the items you claim to be in my post. For your convenience, since you appear to be a freshman, I`ve copied those below:

``ntsyed #52 your post is an example of the primitive maulvi mindset, that is:

1. It seeks to defend a primitive custom that has no place in today`s society;
2. It includes filthy insults directed towards family members;
3. Trying to cloak your primitive mindset by proclaiming yourself to be a learned man.``

Then again, I may be asking for too much...especially since you`ve already submitted (So last post to you.). Logic and rationale are not your cup of tea yet, baby boy! Unless you enjoy clucking.

Meanwhile, please allow me to feed you your other foot:

``Your mindset is the product of growing up in some filthy gulli. The location in question must have been your gosha-e-aafiyat, as you seem well acquainted with it.

I shall not fall to your level, however.``: That`s right, you can`t fall to my level...you`d have to rise up, and it`s a pretty steep climb for you. Especially when you`ve already fallen way below with your preceding comment, which amply demonstrates your racism, bigotry, and outright stupidity.

And then this one: ``And no doubt you will respond with more filth, reflecting the kind of household you were raised in.``

Be careful chicko, you`re calling for an open season on YOUR household. Your feet are already in your mouth, your tongue is cut up, and tail is badly bruised after being stepped on. Owing to your tender age and precarious condition, retaining my higher moral ground I`ll let you slide. Tu bhi kya yaad karay ga kis sakhi se pala para tha tera....just don`t slide into your own muck.

Is there enough salt for the cuts, Bubba? No? Let me give you more...

Nor will I waste more time with you demonstrating the weakness of your ``logic``, nor how your ``logic`` applies to you as much as it does to me or any other person.

I think one of Sting`s classic songs must`ve been playing in the background when you typed the response, particularly the line highlighted above.

It goes something like this...

Don`t think me unkind
Words are hard to find
The only cheques I`ve left unsigned
From the banks of chaos in my mind
And when their eloquence escapes me
Their logic ties me up and rapes me

De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
Their innocence will pull me through
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
They`re meaningless and all that`s true

Poets, priests and politicians
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no one`s jamming their transmission
`Cos when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you

De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
Their innocence will pull me through
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
They`re meaningless and all that`s true

Describes your response rather well, don`t you think?

Please be kind to Sting and don`t label him a closeted Maulvi just because he lyricized your dilemma so accurately.........lol

Temporal dear, your langotia yaar here needs a drink...he already has a chusni - his own feet. Actually that would make two giant ones or ten little ones.........lol

Enjoy munching on your feet, Joe-Hate frozen at 32. :-)~~

It is possible to love more than one person.Life is full of such possibilities.

....... once in a while i see a woman who makes me want to commit adultery ........ i simply recite dua-i-qunut and take a very cold shower ........... it is good that there arn`t too many of these women ..........

Re: # 50
[....... once in a while i see a woman who makes me want to commit adultery ........]

it happens....when you are past 40 ...;)

Re43: Great comment..after having spent the most of my growing up years in Saudi..I have to say from a first hand view..that is perfectly spot on.