2005 UK General Elections

Re: # 58
Ozer K

You`re welcome.Pounds into rupees means party time in india for ye.I have a cousin , born in the UK, and i have visited there many times, tho` not in the last seven years.Started working!!.Actually, my cousin visits more often bringing with him a whole group of his limey friends and many of them never want to return , or do so reluctantly, after enjoying themselves here.With more private airlines operating from india, airfares should start coming down, so a trip to London is definitely on the cards for me.Right now it costs the same whether one flies from New Delhi to Cochin or to Singapore!!!.Guess where the janta will head?.

Well, back to the `serious` discussion of the Uk elections.For you!!.

cayenne

Re: # 74

cayenne

when the cards of the trip to london have been placed on the poker table give me a shout (my details including e-mail are on my profile) and we can partayy !

Re: # 75

Ozer

Thanks for the invite.I might do just that.My cousin lives in London, so i have a place to stay, and he has a house in Manchester too.Manchester has improved a lot, even from seven years ago.I remember it as a dreary place when i was a kid.I love the scenery in the UK, especially the lake district and Scotland.I`m going to Gangtok, Sikkim for a week`s vacation, en famille, to escape summer a little bit.I wouldn`t be surprised if the hotel room is wired for the internet,( even in the Himalayas) so i can still rant and rave on this site and get my daily dosage of porn.India is all `IT` and wired everywhere.Even the fruit vendor calls you from his cell phone , before he comes over to the home!!.Time is money for him too.How things have changed in Bharat.Cut and paste this link to pics of Sikkim state......you won`t regret it!.I chose Sikkim for my vacation after checking these pics.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=4089556#post4089556


cayenne

#53 by Zakkk on May 9, 2005 10:56am PT


Why are Bangladeshis in the UK at the bottom of the South Asian Socio-economic ladder?


who said bangladeshis don`t care more about pan-Islamic causes like Iraq?


Bangladesh is a secular country and has not had a chronic rivalry with India either?


strawman...I never claimed India being secular or Pakistan having a rivalry with India was the cause for the state brit-pakis find themselves in....

This isn`t about their home countries....This is about the brit-pakis/hindus/sikhs...don`t you think it makes more sense for them to vote based on more important things...like education or health care? And if their votes on Iraq are driven solely by their concern for human suffering, why were they silent when saddam was butchering iraqis?

Re: # 54

Arjun

what about all the campaigning the british pakistanis did against saddam ? infront of embassies around the world, the US , the UK, there were massive rallies in London against Saddam ? how can you overlook that ?

Re: # 54

Arjun: As pointless as it is to argue with you..I shall give it a shot..the premise behind going to war in Britain was vastly different than the states..there was specific statement of a clear and imminent danger to the United Kingdom as a justification for the war..at NO time was a moral argument used. The premise was false...and as the decision to go to war effects millions of people it supersedes debates on education and health..

As far as literacy rates are concerned..there have been extensive debates on the topic some of which I have attended in Britain..and it has a lot to do with ethnic and regional variations..I could quote them to you..but I really wouldn`t wanna burst your Islamophobe bubble...

Re: # 60

Zakkk

how do British-Pakistanis fare in the literacy rates as compared to other ethnic minorities such as Indians, Bengalis, Jamaicans, West Indians etc ?

since no moral justification was given in the UK, if any can be given at all, regarding war in Iraq do you feel it was necessary ?

Re: # 64

Pakistanis outperform Bengalis and people of Afro-Carribean background..Pakistanis are outperformed by Indians ( regardless of whther they are Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs)..but Pakistanis do better when you exclude the Mirpuri community..

As far as the justification of the war..Saddam should have been toppled..but for the right reasons..what was done..in the end was purely for neoconservative idealogues...and one shouldn`t kid themselves into thinking it had any humanitarian motives..

Those who oppose Islamists should in fact have opposed the war..as a result of this war there is an Islamist wave sweeping the Arab world which is far more anti american...

I love that twisted logic..Pakis lag behind Hindus because ..(implied) they are Muslim..or too obsessed with Pan islamic causes..if that was so true..why are Bangladeshis in the UK at the bottom of the South Asian Socio-economic ladder? Bangladesh is a secular country and has not had a chronic rivalry with India either?

Selective application of evidence is a common nasty tactic of Islamophobes...

ozer khalid good article and welcome to chowk

I myself was a lifelong supporter of labour this time i voted liberal democrats, mainly because of iraq war. we`ve been hearing for last 2 years that gordon brown will topple him, the problem is Blair is a slick oxford educated lawer he seems to have a talent of talking his way out of trouble,(unlike his tongue-tied buddy bush) he could sell ` ice to eskimos`.
I noticed this time he was keeping a low profile, i think it`s only a question of time before gordon topples him.

cayenne
Britain still has some of the best universities remember DNA was discovered here so was CLONING dolly the sheep.

Re: # 52

Aslam

By voting for the Liberal Democrats you, and thousands of others are garnering an evolution which will seismically stir Westminster-based politics away from its suffocating two-party stranglehold to a variegated three-party system.

Oxygenizing The Lords and Commons with pluralism.

#46 by ozerkhalid on May 9, 2005 8:50am PT


Of course you would not dream of giving an iota of importance to the thousands of innocent Iraqi mothers and children getting pillaged and slaughtered by foreign troops?


enough of the ``oh we`re just driven by the sufferings of our fellow human beings`` already

When the pakistani army slaughtered millions of bangladeshis, was that the number issue for brit-pakistanis at that time?

When saddam hussein killed ``thousands of Iraqi mothers and children``, was military action to stop that killing the number one issue for brit-pakistanis?

No...? Didn`t think so....

Re: # 51

Arjun, with typical neo-fascist rhetoric exhorts

“enough of the “oh we`re just driven by the sufferings of our fellow human beings already”

The above statement portrays your sentiments towards fellow human beings and speaks volumes of your lamentable attitude: Arjun why are you a character so impregnated with the heaviest chip on your shoulders? Lay it down.

Or it will ravage you into yet more hatred.

Stop trying to spin this forum into a hindu-muslim trash-fest. Grow up. That game has been played a million times before.

You carry on lifelessly lamenting

“When saddam hussein killed ``thousands of Iraqi mothers and children``, was military action to stop that killing the number one issue for brit-pakistanis?

Has your head been buried so deep in the Saharan sand that you did not take heed that Brit-Pakistanis, Brit-Hindus, Indian and Pakistani diplomats campaigned head-strong round the clock and relentlessly for years to push forward multi-lateral legislation against Saddam and his brutalities: to cite but a few concrete examples:

U.N. Security Council Resolutions 686 and 687, demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and renounce all involvement with terrorism.

Security Council Resolution 1373 unequivocally certified that Saddam continues to shelter and support terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments.

I sincerely hope that NO ONE in this forum slants toward sympathy for a vile tyrant like Saddam. At the same time WE have fundamental problems with unilateral “machismo” by the US Congress, pushing its beak into waters without the sanctity of international treaties under the mantle of UN auspices.

Arun and Theo Van Gogh, your facts on what stance “the majority of Indian and Pakistani citizens, whether of British background or not” took against Saddam is flimsy, and legally baseless. Please be informed before waxing lyrical.

Arun and Van Gogh, your feudalistic mentality of stoking fire between Hindus and Muslims is stale.

It is precisely this rivalry-ridden lunacy which a portal like Chowk seeks to disparage.

Ozer Khalid

But you didnt explain what the crimson sun was all about?

Ozer, pointing to the rise of communalist politics is not trouble making. That is the mentality of the ostrich with the head in the sand, shooting the messenger. Communal politics of the Respect kind threatens Multicultural amity, not me. Widescale election fraud threatens democracy, not me.

Saj1981

The process was started by the Rushdie affair. That is when the Asian community started breaking down into groups, because Muslims started priveliging their religious identity over their ethnic one. The impetus came from that. You cant blame this on colonial divide and rule...nobody is holding a gun to Pakistani`s heads when they say they consider their identity to be British Muslim rather than British Asian. It is their conscious choice. Now Sikhs and Hindus want the same. This is religious politics and communalism and its the future.

Re: # 49

Van Gogh,

Your feudalistic mentality of stoking fire between Hindus and Muslims is stale.

It is precisely this rivalry-ridden lunacy which a portal like Chowk seeks to disparage.

Get your facts straight and stop waxing lyrical.

ozerkhalid,
It is ok to express concern for the situation in Iraq. But to vote for a party just because of their stand on iraq instead of the things that affect your daily life, is carrying it a bit too far. If I was a Brit, then I would have voted against Tony Blair only if there the British casualities were large, which has not happened.