2005 UK General Elections

Re: # 48

Vivek

With reference to your statement “But to vote for a party just because of their stand on Iraq instead of the things that affect your daily life, is carrying it a bit too far”

The lacunae in your reasoning are that motives to vote often get triggered by short-sighted self-interest. That is why Maggie, the Iron Lady, got sand-bagged after the poll tax fiasco. If only causes like Iraq took a more pivotal platform rather than self-interest, democracy would come of age and be in a hale and hearty state.

So is it ballots or bullets?

A stark reality: Too many bullets. Not enough ballots.

#37 by ozerkhalid on May 9, 2005 7:49am PT
Re: # 28

Cayenne
You are a living paradox. Yet again contradicting yourself.

ozerkhalid,

You`re giving me goosebumps talking to me like that!!!!.And, i`ve been in a slump ever since they closed the dance bars in Mumbai.You think i should see my shrink??.

Regards,

cayenne

Re: # 45

cayenne are you attracted to this ozer or are you in rivalry ? you guys started lashing out at each other and now you are getting goose-bumps ? sarcasm surely ?

Re: # 45

Cayenne,

Point taken with a pinch of salt. Since you do mention the industry i work in, that of night-life/entertainment, any suggestions on the hippest dance clubs in Mumbai ?

Re: # 47


For `theme ` clubs in Mumbai, `Olive` and ``Suzy Wong``...good music more western than desi.My favorites are ENIGMA, a night/dance club at the JW Marriot in Juhu.Rs.1000.00 entry fee, music is a mix of western and hindi pop and ATHENA,a lounge, restaurant, nightclub, and bar all in one, and the younger generation of Bollywood celebrities and models love to hang out here, so this is the place to hang with Mumbai`s trendiest. If one is gay , Voodoo is the main hang out.There are hundreds of bars/pubs and over fifty dance clubs in Mumbai , atleast.Some of the clubs, worth mention, and i`ve been to them , are FIRE AND ICE,INSOMNIA,RAZZBERRY RHINOCEROS(kinda named after my Mrs. when she`s dressed up to attend a wedding), and , VELOCITY.

In Colaba, CAFE MONDEGAR and LEOPOLD`s are for the social set.A little too trendy for me.Copa Cabana ia another place, quite desi-texmex though.These are the lounge bar`s that i like, tho` i`m not into lounge bars a whole lot.I`ll leave you with a quote from a famous person..... ``Nightlife in Mumbai provides an enthralling experience and that one could only understand by actually exploring it``.

#29 by Saj1981 on May 9, 2005 6:02am PT


then came the breakdown into various national groupings....and the last 5-6 years especially has seen the rise of breaking down on religious lines...British hindus...sikhs...muslims..etc etc.


why is that surprising....most brit-hindus and sikhs don`t list the war in Iraq or support for jihad in Kashmir as their number one issue....

Re: # 41

Arjun

Of course you would not dream of giving an iota of importance to the thousands of innocent Iraqi mothers and children getting pillaged and slaughtered by foreign troops?
Surely more than a “tinge” of neo-fascism on your part amigo?

#22 by ozerkhalid on May 8, 2005 10:04pm PT

No..It`s a tinge of interests of Islamic ummah over the most obvious thing i.e. your own welfare...

Do you disagree with the basic point: That Pakis lag behind hindus and sikhs(and chinese) in most fields and yet their number one issue is the war in iraq or the jihad in kashmir....

Don`t you see a cause/effect? Maybe pakis lag behind because they focus too much on the pan-Islamic causes?

MI-6 has manipulated the elections and only those candidates have won that are either evangilists or have evangilist leanings.

Re: # 36

urstruly

could you name a few evangelist organisations in the uk and what are their beliefs ?

Re: # 36

Urstruly

Compelling as it may sound, this perhaps is one conspiracy theory taken too far in the case of Britain. The conservative religious-right of Republican penchant hold much more sway across the Atlantic !

Re 15: One thing further on this point of the degeneration of multi-culturalism and general tolerance....is the sad way that so many divisions have popped up in the British Asian community in the UK. Up to even 15 years ago..British Indians..Pakistanis...few Banglas that were there...were all simply British Asians....then came the breakdown into various national groupings....and the last 5-6 years especially has seen the rise of breaking down on religious lines...British hindus...sikhs...muslims..etc etc...as someone else noted...British Asians still only form a tiny minority of the overall population.(3.4%)....and historically the community has ...still does and will continue to face common problems such as racism in the jobs and housing markets...immigration issues...acceptance of cultures other than the indigenous...this divisive breakdown into more and more small communities does reek of Colonialism`s divide and rule..but also yet again the fundamental idiocy of certain segments of the British Asian populace...to be fair..particularly but NOT exclusively in the Muslim community. On the whole..inspite of various difficulties..the British Asian community has prospered as whole over the last 40 years....and its no coincidence that religious and communal issues being a no-no among the community..helped this objective. As Indians and Pakistanis have proved over and over again..that when they have left behind their communal/religious agendas back home and left to work as expatriates not only have they prospered as respective communities..but they have lived not only in peace but in fraternity. The rise of this poisonous communal and religious politics in Britain is only going to work against ALL British Asians...especially as the mainstream Conservatives have tapped into inner xenophobia of the goray with their anti-immigration stance..and the likes of the BNP grow on hatred of alll coloureds...Indian..Bengali...hindu....sikh...muslim.....
it doesnt matter...as any british asian would know.all are just ``bloody pakis`` to them..
[Reply to interact #29]

Re: # 31

BNP ..got 14000 votes in Birmingham alone..thats saying alot. Your right Saj, this divide among the British Asian community is not going to let them excel. There is no concept of South Asian identity which is very sad, as they hardly make up even 4% of the population as a whole.

Cayenne,

Remove China and India from this list and you might have a point. Remember, the CIA does its GDP calculation on a PPP basis; i.e., it`s not a ``real`` calculation but a notional calculation based on pricing parity.

World Bank calculations, somewhat more accurate and smoothing out exchange rate and price fluctuations, put the UK at (for 2003 Gross National Income) $1.68 trillion, India $0.57 trillion and China at $1.4 trillion. So while China probably will surpass the UK pretty soon, India has a loooooong way to go!

Sorry to burst your bubble but India isn`t going to ``bail out`` the UK any time soon.

Regards.

Re: # 30

Fuzair

It is noteworthy to observe how you take into account the ``latent`` calculations or ``Machiavellian machinations`` going on behind the scenes, based on pricing parity which reflect more acutely the figures. Cayenne kindly do take note.

Sound analysis by Fuzair.

Re 15: One thing further on this point of the degeneration of multi-culturalism and general tolerance....is the sad way that so many divisions have popped up in the British Asian community in the UK. Up to even 15 years ago..British Indians..Pakistanis...few Banglas that were there...were all simply British Asians....then came the breakdown into various national groupings....and the last 5-6 years especially has seen the rise of breaking down on religious lines...British hindus...sikhs...muslims..etc etc...as someone else noted...British Asians still only form a tiny minority of the overall population.(3.4%)....and historically the community has ...still does and will continue to face common problems such as racism in the jobs and housing markets...immigration issues...acceptance of cultures other than the indigenous...this divisive breakdown into more and more small communities does reek of Colonialism`s divide and rule..but also yet again the fundamental idiocy of certain segments of the British Asian populace...to be fair..particularly but exclusively in the Muslim community. On the whole..inspite of various difficulties..the British Asian community has prospered as whole over the last 40 years....and its no coincidence that religious and communal issues being a no-no among the community..helped this objective. As Indians and Pakistanis have proved over and over again..that when they have left behind their communal/religious agendas back home and left to work as expatriates not only have they prospered as respective communities..but they have lived not only in peace but in fraternity. The rise of this poisonous communal and religious politics in Britain is only going to work against ALL British Asians...especially as the mainstream Conservatives have tapped into inner xenophobia of the goray with their anti-immigration stance..and the likes of the BNP grow on hatred of alll coloureds...Indian..Bengali...hindu....sikh...muslim.....
it doesnt matter...as any british asian would know.all are just ``bloody pakis`` to them..