2005 UK General Elections

Re: # 29

sajj

what concrete steps and tangible ones can Asians living in britain take to foster multi-culturalism ?

Re: # 29

Re: # 32

Zakkk and Sajj

Right-wing extremism and xenophobia as both of you poignantly observe, have contemptuously ripened their seeds in Europe. Whilst in the UK inroads have been built for the deplorable BNP anorexics, not too long ago Jean-Marie Le Pen`s Front National nearly took France to an electoral slaughter-house.

Unfortunately this omni-present racial cancer has spread through the European veins far a field. From Italy`s post-fascist National Alliance`s Gianfranco Fini and the Northern League`s Umberto Bossi, to Austria`s far right Freedom Party megalomaniac Joerg Haider.

It is only hoped that forgiving gravitational forces will pull down this torrid tidal wave of anger.

And have it sunk deeper than the Titanic.

ozer

Deal with the substance of my posts, dont pontificate so pompously with phrases like `The crimson sun will set on its ubiquitous inequity.`

Thats hilarious. What does it mean? Please explain. What crimson sun? What ubiquitous inequity? What the hell are you talking about?

[[However don’t simplistically over-egg the pudding by branding the “entire community” in Birmingham as “fraudsters”. Your labels and prejudices are all too transparent and do not hold sway amongst this audience]]

Dont put quotation marks around phrases I dont use implying my assent to those sentiments. That is fraudulent. I stand by my words, that we are witnessing the growth of Muslim communalist and sectarian politics in Britain. The level of electoral fraud carried out by Pakistani politicians across the country has been massive and unprecedented and has led to widescale criminal prosecution and imprisonment. No other community has been involved in this, not Afro-Caribbeans, Jews, Hindus or Sikhs. Why?

Re: # 27

Theo Van Gogh

Why are you so hell-bent on singling out one religion, ethnicity, cultural background, namely the Muslim Pakistani community and puking all your racist hatred upon it ? What has furnished in you all this ill-feeling toward Muslims ? Are you in this forum to make a positive contribution or merely polemicize anger and prejudice ? My suspicions lean towards the verity that you are merely a rabble-rouser and like to stir trouble, as others in this forum have suggested.

It is due to biased one-sided prejudices like yours that Asians in Britain are in schism. If you so ardently advocate a multicultural template, as you do in one of your previous interacts, then why demonize it by being a trouble-maker ?

Ozer

Great to see you on Chowk babez ! I loved reading ``Dusk``. When are you coming to visit in Houston ? Loaaads to tell ya.....

Congratulations on winning the essay at the Pak High Commission in London ! I neva hear it through the man himself......Which clubs are u promoting these days ? I misss uuuu....

On your article, do you feel Blair will fulfill his pledges ? Apart from Gordon Brown, what are the other obstacles is he likely to face ? Surely the vacuous rhetoric by the Tories will prove no hindrance ?

Ozer

You write very eloquently. Good to finally evidence in-depth socio-political commentary by a multi-cultural fella. I have been privileged to come across some of your moving pieces on poetry and Islamic Banking on the Internet and Google.

You are quite romantic and charismatic at heart. From your interacts I see you adore Khalil Gibran and Rumi.

Question to Ozer or any expert on politics: is there any real difference between labour and the tories ? do they not stand and represent similar values ? and if the liberal democrats have gained ground will british politics not gleefully be gridlocked into italian-style coalitions ? a ceaseless fragmentation of non-ending fox-hunting debates ?

Dear Ozer Khalid

``Dooms-day sooth-sayers or not, gleaming triumphal bravura is not an order du jour. A ``Damoclean`` sword hangs over the don Dionysius of Downing Street. The resulting years to come will reveal to all and sundry if Blair is up for the Herculean feat``

Wow ! You write so cavalierly ! Have you studied classics or Greek mythology ?

Come what may, you are a gifted writer and an acute observer of international relations and finance. And by the looks of your i-log profile quite handsome and easy-on-the-eyes as well !! You poetically answer most questions posed by your captive audience.

I have one question to all/any readers: do you feel Mr Blair will sit his full-tenure or will the throne prematurely be passed onto Gordon Brown ? If so what will be the ramifications in terms of policy shifts ? Especially for the ``Desi`` community living in the UK ?

# 17

It`s satisfying to see Theodore Dalrymple, who gave every indication of being irredeemably disadvantaged in terms of intelligence, figuring things out, albeit slowly.


Theo

Hindus and Sikhs are the allies of Europe. They bring a wealth of experience that Europe does not have.

I hope Tony blair remains the PM for a while. Or atleast the Tories come back to power soon. About time another country other than USA needs to stand up against the Islamic fundamentalism...

Thanks,
Avkrishna

Yup...the core issue for pakis in the UK..kashmir and iraq....

When Islam Breaks Down
Theodore Dalrymple

Oe sign of the increasing weakness of Islam’s hold over its nominal adherents in Britain—of which militancy is itself but another sign—is the throng of young Muslim men in prison. They will soon overtake the young men of Jamaican origin in their numbers and in the extent of their criminality. By contrast, young Sikhs and Hindus are almost completely absent from prison, so racism is not the explanation for such Muslim overrepresentation.

I took the Muslim vote for granted - but that has all changed

Roy Hattersley returns to his old constituency and finds a mood of defiance

Respect is what the Muslim community - more confident than ever before - demands. They are not sure that it is available within the present political system. And they are certain that the west`s war on terror has made its achievement far less likely.

Dr Naseem - a retired general practitioner, chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque and Respect candidate for Perry Barr - believes the attack on the New York trade centre was orchestrated by the CIA. Dawn, the mosque`s newsletter (distributed to the 4,000 worshippers who attend prayers each weekend) publishes what he regards as evidence to support that fantasy.

#8 by labyrinth1 on May 8, 2005 3:21pm PT


the Pakistani Community played a very positive role and systematically voted for MPs who opposed war in Iraq and advocated for the solution of Kashmir cause.


Pakis lag behind hindus and sikhs in every field and your main issue is the war in Iraq and the Kashmir ``cause``....

you sure have your priorities in order.....

most famous indian in the UK: L.N. Mittal...most famous pakistani in the UK: omar saeed sheikh...now i wonder why that is...

Re: # 16

Arjun

Truth be told the most famous Pakistani in Britain by far is Sir Anwar Pervaiz, a savyy businessman who went from rags to riches and stands as an exemplary benchmark for all South Asian aspirants on these shores.

Re: # 16

Arjun you observe

``Pakis lag behind hindus and sikhs in every field and your main issue is the war in Iraq and the Kashmir ``cause``

Do I detect a ``tinge of Hindutva agenda against Muslims`` ?

Re: # 22

A tinge? you obviously haven`t been on Chowk too long!

Some interesting trends in this election that I noted: The BNP has made significant inroads into the South surprisingly East London was where they did best..

Respect split the Anti Blair vote In Brummie land and other areas..which saved Labour in at least 6 or 7 seats..

One more thing, further to my post suggesting that the future may well see the growth of communalist politics in constituencies with large Muslim populations. I hope this is not the case, but the signs are that this will be how things will pan out, and one thing is for sure. As all forms of communal politics involve the cultivation of hatreds, enemies, demonising and sectarianism, the rise of Muslim communal politics will mean bad things for the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and more generally, Multicultural life in Britain.

Re: # 15

Theo

what about communalism amongst hindus jewish and bengali contingencies ? surely those need to be taken into account ?