2005 UK General Elections

Real bore.Who cares.Britain is an irrelevant island full of irrelevant peoples.If not for american money and investment the British would have to clean toilets and fold bedsheets for the rich arabs to make a living.I give them credit for the past.No doubt.But we live in the now, and the now for the british is pathetic.God save the Queen!.

Re: # 1

Cayenne

Your sweepingly grandiose myopia such as “Britain is an irrelevant island full of irrelevant people” smacks of racist xenophobia. You are single-handedly tarring the brush of all the Muslims and South Asians with dual identity who live on this island. Who bequeath themselves with a British as well as an Asian background, and form an imperative entrepreneurial backbone to the spine of the UK .

Admittedly not all of Great Britain`s policies are well-perceived or garnered in equilibrium, but cease living in an Elysium. Which country, in the comity of international relations is perfect?

#2 by ozerkhalid on May 8, 2005 3:06am PT
Re: # 1

``all the muslims and south asians`` as you so grandiosely put it , my friend, make up about 2% of the total population of 50 plus million.There is no racist xenophobia on my part.Infact there is every reason for me to accuse you of the same.Just because you are in the Uk, and that you work hard( all laudable qualities), does not in any way make you a Briton, or an european or `superior` to your fellow south asians, that you cannot accept `plain-speak` from one of them, in this case, moi.

I do not deny and respect british prowess during the nineteenth century.We`re in the 21st.Things change.Britain is irrelavent now.Period.If not for american money, britain would have gone bankrupt decades ago.Just like MG Rover.

Re: # 3

Cayenne

Let us refrain from “Eminemishly” tit-for-tatting at one another. Surely Chowk is too mature a forum for school-boy scoundrel antics to be deployed. Too facile a game to play.

A few corrections are in order. From where did your cerebral cortex assume that I claim myself to be “superiour” to you? Or anyone else for that matter? Stop throwing assumptions from thin air.

For they wither like the aged leaves of autumn.

This is not an ego-battle on an 8 mile road. The problem with your “plain-speak” is that it is raw over-simplification ebbed in error. Let’s be pedantic: Britain’s population is not 50 million as you conveniently conjecture but 60 million. Asians form not 2% of the entire British population but 3.2%, including multi-cultural variants such as myself.

Your maladroit history lecture suggests a 19th century Golden Age for Britannia, when, let me enlighten you, British dexterity flaunted its muscle in the 20th century !! Get those facts straight-wired into your cranium.

You anxiously quote American prowess, which I never deny: however whilst so doing you hasten your over-stretched belt to cite MG Rover. That is meager and portrays a faddish example of you name-dropping “one firm” just because you pressingly picked up an FT and doggedly browsed it after a couple of years in the lurch.

Your naïveté overlooks the verity that for every MG Rover there is an Enron Corp., Tyco International Ltd. and WorldCom Inc, degradingly entangled in accounting scrape despite the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

There exist a plethora of British firms who are fiscally sound, solvent, exhibit profitability, liquidity and a healthy capital structure.

Stop playing the “Self-Victimization” card. I will no longer waste my time. I have bigger fish to fry in the ocean of life. For the record labeling “Britain as an irrelevant island full of irrelevant people” IS RACIST to anyone possessing an atom of IQ.

Cayenne this is not an EGO-GAME. If you do childishly want to flaunt your final word go ahead and brazenly sooth that entrapped insecurity.

For it too one day will melt in a molten sky.

Not dissimilar to the Green Card scheme heralded by Germany for the shining cyber-boys of Bangalore.


Do I detect a tinge of envy?

#4 by ozerkhalid on May 8, 2005 5:05am PT


Surely Chowk is too mature a forum


you`re new here, aren`t you?

Re: # 6

Arjun

Despite your signalling radar, what you should be detecting is a ``tinge of praise`` for the boys of Bangalore.

As someone who lives in Birmingham ... lemme give you guys from a Brummie`s point of view ,
Birmingham had always been a Labour safe ground thanks to Pakistani community there who always supported Labour from years but this time was different because of Iraq War ...... we had this Respect Party of George Galloway campaigning in Birmingham who created quite a fuss in England and specially in Birmingham ... Respect`s candidate was Salma Yaqoob a lady which I hate to admire because of her bold stand against War in Iraq although she lost but took 10,000 of Labour`s precious votes from Sparkbrook Area of Birmingham. Labour lost a seat in Yardley area of Birmingham to Liberal Democrats a party which is projecting there party as a mixture of Tories and Labour - Liberal Democrats snatched atleast 7-10% of Labours votes from all over UK.
Here I would like to add that Pakistani Community voted Labour anyway because Labour still advocates immigration and Labour specially Tony Blair eased marriage - visa process when he came into power.
There this thing in UK Politics that Tony Blair will in a couple of years time will hand over No. 10 to someone else ....maybe his chancellor who had always longed for No.10 for years.... As a Pakistani , I see British Politics as a role model because here politics is done on issues - council tax , tax relief , immigration and anti- social elements plus law and order situation were the main issues in this election. I would also like to say that in this election specially the Pakistani Community played a very positive role and systematically voted for MPs who opposed war in Iraq and advocated for the solution of Kashmir cause.

for the sake of correction ,
still its the British Oil Company ( s ) who are the biggest land owners in US...

ozerkhalid #4

`` Let us refrain from “Eminemishly” tit-for-tatting at one another. Surely Chowk is too mature a forum for school-boy scoundrel antics to be deployed. Too facile a game to play. ``

You must be new !!!

`` Your maladroit history lecture suggests a 19th century Golden Age for Britannia, when, let me enlighten you, British dexterity flaunted its muscle in the 20th century !! Get those facts straight-wired into your cranium. ``

I have full admiration for the British for what they achieved even if they mistreated a few hundred million Third World people.

`` Your naïveté overlooks the verity that for every MG Rover there is an Enron Corp., Tyco International Ltd. and WorldCom Inc, degradingly entangled in accounting scrape despite the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

There exist a plethora of British firms who are fiscally sound, solvent, exhibit profitability, liquidity and a healthy capital structure. ``

For every Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing there is a Exon Mobil, Verizon etc. Those scandals occured prior to the enactment of the Sarbanes-Oxley act.

Name a top British technology firm - either in computers, semiconductors, capital equipment etc. Vodafone is the only decent name out there. Marconi is on the verge of bankruptcy.
Continental Europe has plenty - Ericsson, Nokia, Alcatel, Siemens, Phillips, BMW, Daimler, Volkswagen etc.

British military hardware - Harriers, Sea Kings, Tridents etc. are based on American military components.

cayenne`s basic point is still valid. If not for American politcal and military support UK would be completely irrelevant. He might not have been diplomatic about it.

labyrinth

[[I would also like to say that in this election specially the Pakistani Community played a very positive role and systematically voted for MPs who opposed war in Iraq and advocated for the solution of Kashmir cause.]]

Pakistanis in Birmingham have been responsible for the biggest electoral voting fraud in British history since Victorian times. That was the description of the judge who over saw the investigation of six Pakistani Kashmiri politicians in Birmingham recently who participated in a massive criminal attempt to fix voting in a council election using postal ballots, involving violence, intimidation and corruption on a massive scale. This is the greatest contribution Pakistani politicians in Birmingham have made to political life in Britain recently. Something to be proud of, indeed.

Incidentally, this has become a phenomena of Pakistani men being convicted of electoral fraud and criminal activity regarding postal ballots. I know at least two Pakistani politicians have been sent to prison in the last few weeks over this and the Kashmiris in Birmingham will be facing criminal charges too. It seems that whilst Pakistani voters have been acting on `principle` and worrying about freedom for Kashmir, other voters in Birmingham have had to worry about the corruption of democracy that has been taking place within certain sections of not so principled Pakistani politicians.

Birmingham hasnt been a safe ground for Labour merely because of the Pakistani community, those seats have always been solid Labour because they are working class constituencies in an industrial city. White, Jamaican, Sikh, Hindu, Irish, have all tended to vote Labour.

More on the electoral fraud commited by Pakistani politicians in Birmingham:

This is what the Judge had to say about the whole thing:

[[He criticised the government`s insistence that the current postal voting system was working, adding: ``Anybody who has sat through the case I have just tried and listened to evidence of electoral fraud that would disgrace a banana republic would find this statement surprising.``]]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4406575.stm

[[Respect`s candidate was Salma Yaqoob a lady which I hate to admire because of her bold stand against War in Iraq although she lost but took 10,000 of Labour`s precious votes from Sparkbrook Area of Birmingham]]

Respect are a party composed of the extreme left wing Socialist Workers Party and the right wing Muslim Association of Britain. Their bond is a hatred for America and Israel. Respect got lots of votes in a constituency made up of about 50% Kashmiris using the rhetoric of Jihad-lite, stuff the Hindus in Kashmir, screw the Jews, etc etc etc. Not a surprise that they got so many votes playing communal politics. I think we will see more of this kind of communalist politics in the future in Britain.

Britain is not new to communal politics, for so long Northern Ireland has been crippled by this kind of ideology. But until now, the mainland has been free of it. Not any more. Muslim communalism will be a political force to be reckoned with in those parts of the country with large Pakistani populations in the future.

This is what a local Pakistani man had to say about the importation of Pakistani style democracy into Birmingham, England:

[[He said local bigwigs had come into Asian homes, pressuring voters to cast their postal ballots in front of them - insisting they back Labour. ``This is the politics of Pakistan or Bangladesh and they`ve brought it here,`` he said]]

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/elections2004/story/0,14549,1237077,00.html

One more thing, further to my post suggesting that the future may well see the growth of communalist politics in constituencies with large Muslim populations. I hope this is not the case, but the signs are that this will be how things will pan out, and one thing is for sure. As all forms of communal politics involve the cultivation of hatreds, enemies, demonising and sectarianism, the rise of Muslim communal politics will mean bad things for the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and more generally, Multicultural life in Britain.

#8 by labyrinth1 on May 8, 2005 3:21pm PT


the Pakistani Community played a very positive role and systematically voted for MPs who opposed war in Iraq and advocated for the solution of Kashmir cause.


Pakis lag behind hindus and sikhs in every field and your main issue is the war in Iraq and the Kashmir ``cause``....

you sure have your priorities in order.....

most famous indian in the UK: L.N. Mittal...most famous pakistani in the UK: omar saeed sheikh...now i wonder why that is...